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What do you think is Stephen Morris's ceiling?

Can't give you full credit since you gave the bump, but I think this is the third or fourth retrospective of a year old thread where LuCane's comments have been spot on. Well done, sir.
 
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umhurricano said:
Can't give you full credit since you gave the bump, but I think this is the third or fourth retrospective of a year old thread where LuCane's comments have been spot on. Well done, sir.
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Won't even say I was on here. I really did expect Morris to improve at least a little. He outright had a worse season. I guess part of that could have been the ankle, but it was tough to watch. I know he probably feels worst of all. He had extremely high hopes.
 
LuCane said:
umhurricano said:
Can't give you full credit since you gave the bump, but I think this is the third or fourth retrospective of a year old thread where LuCane's comments have been spot on. Well done, sir.
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Won't even say I was on here. I really did expect Morris to improve at least a little. He outright had a worse season. I guess part of that could have been the ankle, but it was tough to watch. I know he probably feels worst of all. He had extremely high hopes.
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The ankle was a problem, but the way it impacted his mind is the bigger issue for me. There were those amazing plays he would make where you were like **** right! Then there were so many others where you were like Holy ****.
 
I think the only reason Morris had a better season last year was we were constantly in comeback mode, and he dialed up a ton of stats in successful and unsuccessful comeback attempts.. he thrived in that role, he blows in the move the chains, manage the game role.. In the Stephen Morris era we had 1:30 drives, either a 3 and out or a long TD(or drive impacted by a long play)

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C A N E said:
Classic example of preseason homerism hype gone awry.
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It wasn't homerism. The scouts were seeing the same things. So were our coaches.

His regression was one of the biggest disappointments of the season. I had him in the late second, now it's looking like sixth or worse. It will be very interesting to see if he improves with professional coaching or flames out.
 
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DMoney said:
C A N E said:
Classic example of preseason homerism hype gone awry.
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It wasn't homerism. The scouts were seeing the same things. So were our coaches.

His regression was one of the biggest disappointments of the season. I had him in the late second, now it's looking like sixth or worse. It will be very interesting to see if he improves with professional coaching or flames out.
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i said it last year, i said it all through this season, and i'll say it again: jedd fisch is the reason that offense was so good. he salvaged jacory's trainwreck of a career and made stemo look like a competent quarterback. jacory and morris didn't suddenly become good at making decisions. the offense was tailored around their shortcomings upstairs.
 
Him and Logan, like anyone with a clue about football and an IQ over 70 could have told you, are not getting drafted. They are terrible, terrible QB's. Logan at least should be upset that he had the skill set to be a very good tight end. My guess is that he may still get to a camp as an underrated FA to at least see if he has the requisite skill and motivation to be a tight end in the league.
 
DMoney said:
C A N E said:
Classic example of preseason homerism hype gone awry.
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It wasn't homerism. The scouts were seeing the same things. So were our coaches.

His regression was one of the biggest disappointments of the season. I had him in the late second, now it's looking like sixth or worse. It will be very interesting to see if he improves with professional coaching or flames out.
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The scouts had their heads up their own asses; the same way they seem to do now when they're calling him "undraftable."
 
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Those, like me, who said immediately after the Maryland game in 2011 that he should NEVER be our strating QB were spot on!

Those, like me, that said in 2011 after the Marland game, when Jaturnover came back, that if Morris was ANY good, he would start in front of Harris were spot on!

Those who said that making Morris the starter for life after the 2011 season, and not doing anything about the awful QB situation, was willful negligence on the part of Golden, were spot on!
 
This will forever be his ceiling. And the one thing he was pretty darn good at.

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In hindsight, one of us was proven right and one of us wrong. I will leave it up to the posters who was correct.

DMoney said:
canesupremacy said:
I think at best a 3rd rounder. The amount of balls that should be picked off is a ton. He does not have good vision or decision making. Accuracy can get better with practice but decision making rarely does. It's something you are born with.
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Completely disagree with this.

Morris's decision-making is very good, as several scouts and Coach Golden have pointed out. His interception rate last year was the lowest since Dorsey in 2000. He rarely throws into double coverage. He also did a phenomenal job running the no-huddle last year-- very few procedure penalties and often caught the defense out of position. Coach Golden recently spoke to WQAM about how Morris understands offensive concepts and said he will impress people at the combine with his IQ.

The issues with Morris are physical-- accuracy and touch. You are born with it to an extent, but then again Morris's accuracy isn't completely broken. I think it can improve as he becomes more settled and consistent with his footwork and fundamentals. That will also improve his redzone performance. He doesn't anticipate throws very well, either, but that is common for a quarterback with Morris's arm strength. Plenty of NFL quarterbacks had that same knock coming out.

Morris has ton going for him: sublime arm strength, toughness and character, athleticism (for a pocket passer), grip strength, whip-like delivery, familiarity with pro concepts. Expect the buzz about him to pick up around the time of the Manning Passing Academy in July.

If I'm projecting, he could go anywhere from first to fourth depending on the quality of his senior year. I'd compare him to a cross between Matthew Stafford and Jake Locker. The safe money is late second round.
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Matador, i would like to buy you a beer so i can laugh in your face. Morris got a 57% completion rate at Miami. He was heavily criticized at the Sr Bowl. Scouts nicknamed him Tin Cup. Do you want to admit you are wrong? You clearly have no feel for football.

TheMatador said:
canesupremacy said:
I think at best a 3rd rounder. The amount of balls that should be picked off is a ton. He does not have good vision or decision making. Accuracy can get better with practice but decision making rarely does. It's something you are born with.
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Now, that's got to be one of the most ignorant statements I have seen in quite some time. "The amount of balls that should be picked off is a ton." What's the basis for saying that? How many passes did he throw last year? 421. How many did he have picked off? 7. Freakin 7!

Is 7 a ton? Out of 421 thrown? That's one pick every sixty throws?

Now, Jacory Harris was known for throwing interceptions. In his best year, 2008, he threw 7, but that was out of 194 throws!

In what I guess was his best year, 2011, Jacory was picked 9 times, but that was out of only 300 throws.

By contrast, Morris has never thrown for double-digit interceptions, but Harris did. Morris' worst year was his worst, when he threw 9 interceptions, but he was green and has improved greatly.

For Morris to throw a "ton" of interceptions, he would have to regress significantly. What makes you think that is likely?

Last year, I understand that Golden asked Fisch to open up the offense and score more, because the defense was weak and he felt that the only way to win was to score as much as possible. Suppose they play better defense in '13, and Morris can rely more on Duke's running and a lower risk passing attack?

I cannot understand your statement, because it is not based on anything he did last year, and suggests you really don't know what you're talking about.

Here's his stats, according to ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/501142/stephen-morris
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so when he goes undrafted could you just admit you know nothing about football?


JustCanesBaby said:
He's a strong armed Qb, vocal, plays passionate, needs to improve his accuracy etc. but do you think he can develop his game into a 1st round Qb?

Think about all the Qbs that have catapulted themselves into the 1st round the past couple of years (i.e. Kyle Boller, J.P. Losman, Josh Freeman) off of measureables or some perceived pre-draft hype.

I think him and Seantrel can potentially be two 1st rounders in next year's draft. If not 1st at most 2nd round.

Thoughts?
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