What Coley means for development and play calling

Chrisarg72

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There has been a lot of chatter on the recruiting board about the impact of Coley as a recruiter. However his skill as an OC also involves play calling and development. The problem I have is I was never to impressed by FSU's offense. But maybe someone can explain to me why I'm wrong and he is strong in those two categories.
 
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Because he never called the plays. Jimbo did.

It would be like building the baddest race car on the planet and sticking an Asian woman behind the wheel.
 
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Prior to Florida State, Coley spent one season in his hometown of Miami as the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at FIU. He completely overhauled the Golden Panthers offense and established new standards for rushing yardage, as the unit doubled its production over the second half of the season.

He spent two seasons as an offensive assistant with the Miami Dolphins under Nick Saban. While with the Dolphins, Coley worked with running backs Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown when the duo boasted the NFL's seventh-best rushing attack. In 2006, he worked with the Dolphins' receivers, including All-Pro Chris Chambers and Wes Welker, and was responsible for breaking down opposing defenses and self-scouting as the quality control coach.

Coley's college coaching career began as a graduate assistant at LSU on then-offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher's staff in 2003 and 2004. The Tigers won the 2003 SEC and National Championships and played in the 2004 Capital One Bowl.

Coley spent six years as a high school football coach in Miami from 1997-2002, first as quarterbacks coach from 1997-99 at Miami Senior HS, where he worked with former Hurricanes stars and current NFL standouts Andre Johnson and Roscoe Parrish. He then spent 2000-02 as assistant head coach/offensive coordinator at Miami Norland HS, where he coached future college stars Dwayne Bowe (LSU), Kareem Brown (Miami), Alexander Bostic III (FIU) and Antwan Barnes (FIU). Coley’s high school coaching career concluded with Miami Norland winning the 6A state title in 2002.
 
After posts from GCane and others, Im intrigued by Coley but it is def a risky move.
 
Because he never called the plays. Jimbo did.

It would be like building the baddest race car on the planet and sticking an Asian woman behind the wheel.

We're building the baddest race car on the planet and sticking Duke Johnson behind the wheel.

:drevil:
 
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I would assume Golden will provide the framework for the offense he wants to run, and Coley will work within this frame w/ his playcalling. There is no shot we abandon a pro style offense for the spread, but I would not be surprised (or angry) if they incorporate some spread formations to an extent.

I just hope the installation of the new offense goes as smooth as possible. We are loaded on offense next year, and I do not want to cap the potential of any of our offensive units.
 
Let's not forget that Golden was a TE in college. He comes from an offensive background. He learned Defense and Special Teams to be a well rounded coach. Let's also not forget why Fisch was hired in the first place. Fisch designed playbooks for NFL teams. Golden hired Fisch to come in a design a playbook for Miami. Just because Fisch left it does not mean Coley is coming in to overhaul the offensive playbook. There may be tweaks here and there but for the most part Coley will be asked to learn the new terminology and hit the ground running with our current system that Fisch and Golden designed.

I'm sure Golden and the staff will sit down and come up with excellent game plans and the right calls will be made to win big time games. Add Sandland, Dobard, Collins, and Coley to this offense and Coker could be the OC again. Golden hired Fisch and nobody knew what to expect. Let's pretend like Golden knows what he's doing.
 
gcane had a great post in one of the first Coley threads that I thought would fit here

Questionable at first. But this guy has been an ALL STAR assistant wherever he has gone. I maintain that I want a straight up nerd offensive strategist for the OC hire. But, I will admit that the idea of Coley is pretty intriguing to me and would be a very creative hire IMO.

Recruiting wise, he is one of the best in the game, especially in South Florida. That is a given and would be huge because of how significantly it both bolsters our recruiting efforts and completely destroys our biggest rivals recruiting efforts (especially in trying to get into South Florida).

Additionally you won't convince that this guy doesn't know offense. Why was he promoted to OC and not Eddie Gran? Both were big time assistants, both monster recruiters, but Coley got the nod. Tommy Tuberville, a solid CFB coach, just hired Eddie Gran to be the OC at Cinci. Will he succeed? I don't know, but I do know that a coach who has won a lot of football games just hired Gran to run his offense. I find it interesting that while both about equally lethal as recruiters, it was Coley who got the promotion to aid Jimbo in running the offense. Additionally, when Stoops got his SEC HC job at Kentucky, his first choice for OC was Coley.

Jimbo calls the plays (the big negative/unknown on him), but Jimbo does not create the playbook by himself and he does not scout defenses by himself and he does not create gameplans by himself and he does not make adjustments by himself. All this leads me to believe that Coley is more than just a recruiter and knows football. If that isn't enough convincing, the fact that this guy has been a position coach at the NFL (for Saban) tells me what Saban thinks of him. Saban did not bring him to coach in the NFL because of his recruiting, obviously. The fact that he was also a quality control assistant in the NFL is huge IMO because that is basically encompasses every facet of the offense except the actual in-game play calling. Whipple was a quality control offensive assistant with the Eagles before becoming our OC. He wasn't the best, but he was def a capable offensive mind.

Furthermore, if there is one person I would trust to evaluate Coley as an OC, it would be the one HC who had him as an OC, Mario Cristobal. That guy just happens to be on our staff. If Golden hires Coley, then I'm excited about the hire because it means A.) he impressed Golden in the same way that Fisch (now NFL OC) and McDonald (now D1 OC) impressed Golden and B.) Cristobal fully believes in him as an OC. And for those that want to throw out that FIU's offense was no good in 2007, I'll say nothing about FIU was good in 2007, it was their 3rd season in FBS (D1A), they lost every game the season before and averaged 9ppg on offense. No matter how bad it looked in comparison to real FBS level teams, FIU at least jumped up to 15 ppg with Coley at the helm and some big scoring games towards the end of the season.

The recruiting coup this would cause this year and into the future paired with the reality that Coley is a very experienced and respected offensive assistant has me VERY intrigued by this.
 
gcane had a great post in one of the first Coley threads that I thought would fit here

Questionable at first. But this guy has been an ALL STAR assistant wherever he has gone. I maintain that I want a straight up nerd offensive strategist for the OC hire. But, I will admit that the idea of Coley is pretty intriguing to me and would be a very creative hire IMO.

Recruiting wise, he is one of the best in the game, especially in South Florida. That is a given and would be huge because of how significantly it both bolsters our recruiting efforts and completely destroys our biggest rivals recruiting efforts (especially in trying to get into South Florida).

Additionally you won't convince that this guy doesn't know offense. Why was he promoted to OC and not Eddie Gran? Both were big time assistants, both monster recruiters, but Coley got the nod. Tommy Tuberville, a solid CFB coach, just hired Eddie Gran to be the OC at Cinci. Will he succeed? I don't know, but I do know that a coach who has won a lot of football games just hired Gran to run his offense. I find it interesting that while both about equally lethal as recruiters, it was Coley who got the promotion to aid Jimbo in running the offense. Additionally, when Stoops got his SEC HC job at Kentucky, his first choice for OC was Coley.

Jimbo calls the plays (the big negative/unknown on him), but Jimbo does not create the playbook by himself and he does not scout defenses by himself and he does not create gameplans by himself and he does not make adjustments by himself. All this leads me to believe that Coley is more than just a recruiter and knows football. If that isn't enough convincing, the fact that this guy has been a position coach at the NFL (for Saban) tells me what Saban thinks of him. Saban did not bring him to coach in the NFL because of his recruiting, obviously. The fact that he was also a quality control assistant in the NFL is huge IMO because that is basically encompasses every facet of the offense except the actual in-game play calling. Whipple was a quality control offensive assistant with the Eagles before becoming our OC. He wasn't the best, but he was def a capable offensive mind.

Furthermore, if there is one person I would trust to evaluate Coley as an OC, it would be the one HC who had him as an OC, Mario Cristobal. That guy just happens to be on our staff. If Golden hires Coley, then I'm excited about the hire because it means A.) he impressed Golden in the same way that Fisch (now NFL OC) and McDonald (now D1 OC) impressed Golden and B.) Cristobal fully believes in him as an OC. And for those that want to throw out that FIU's offense was no good in 2007, I'll say nothing about FIU was good in 2007, it was their 3rd season in FBS (D1A), they lost every game the season before and averaged 9ppg on offense. No matter how bad it looked in comparison to real FBS level teams, FIU at least jumped up to 15 ppg with Coley at the helm and some big scoring games towards the end of the season.

The recruiting coup this would cause this year and into the future paired with the reality that Coley is a very experienced and respected offensive assistant has me VERY intrigued by this.

Great points, Jersey. All those highly respected coaches thought enough of coley to want to make him OC, h must have something going for him.
 
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if there's anything that the fisch situation taught me, it's not to judge an unproven commodity before you have enough evidence to do so. i don't see how anyone could be confident in an assessment of coley from the outside. we have no idea, for instance, how much of florida state's offense was his doing, or how much responsibility he did or didn't have. he basically has no track record as a play caller... trying to read the tea leaves on this one seems rather pointless to me.
 
As long as he doesn't bring the Bowden/Jimbo "Jump Ball" play, I think we will be better than OK
 
Do you know what you are all forgeting. During the off season the NFL offers coaching clinics to College coaches, I am sure Coley will have a few sessions with Jedd up in jacksonvillw. This will help Coley to learn the play book, granted it is always better to have the professor, but if Coley is half way decent student then UM should be fine.

Go canes
 
Do you know what you are all forgeting. During the off season the NFL offers coaching clinics to College coaches, I am sure Coley will have a few sessions with Jedd up in jacksonvillw. This will help Coley to learn the play book, granted it is always better to have the professor, but if Coley is half way decent student then UM should be fine.

Go canes

You are an odd individual. I can't quite put my finger on it, but there is something not right about you
 
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We won't truly know how he is as a play caller until next year but it's clear Coley was who we wanted, the first one offered the job and the guy who can keep the positive momentum going.
 
Because he never called the plays. Jimbo did.

It would be like building the baddest race car on the planet and sticking an Asian woman behind the wheel.

To add to this...I have read in multiple places that Coley would spend the entire week game planning, scheming, and then Jimbo would either deviate or ignore the plan. Many times this year I felt that FSU should have run the ball more, make me wonder if it is Jimbo that got pass happy , while Coley had a run heavy plan.
 
If I recall correctly, Fisch had one year of play calling as oc at Minnesota and was awful there.

Let's not be too quick to judge
 
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Let's not forget that Golden was a TE in college. He comes from an offensive background. He learned Defense and Special Teams to be a well rounded coach. Let's also not forget why Fisch was hired in the first place. Fisch designed playbooks for NFL teams. Golden hired Fisch to come in a design a playbook for Miami. Just because Fisch left it does not mean Coley is coming in to overhaul the offensive playbook. There may be tweaks here and there but for the most part Coley will be asked to learn the new terminology and hit the ground running with our current system that Fisch and Golden designed.

I'm sure Golden and the staff will sit down and come up with excellent game plans and the right calls will be made to win big time games. Add Sandland, Dobard, Collins, and Coley to this offense and Coker could be the OC again. Golden hired Fisch and nobody knew what to expect. Let's pretend like Golden knows what he's doing.

I think the bolder is the most overlooked point in all of this. Let me preface what I am about to say with the fact that I wanted an NFL guy to come in and be a FISCH type that worked with the QB's and such.
I am not -00% sold on the Coley hire from a coaching standpoint but I trust the Head guy so we shall see.

Having said all that when FISCH came in he immediately established the fact that the offense that was going to be implemented was the Miami Hurricanes offense and not a coaches offense or an NFL teams offense.

What does this mean? Well, I think when Golden brought in FISCH he did so with the intent on establishing an offense for the Hurricanes that would be kep regardless of whom the OC would be in an effort to keep continuity when coaches leave/get promoted ect.

Will different OC bring in certain aspect and tweak the play book a little more to their style, yes. However, I don't think you will see a whole new offense implemented and terminology changed ect. There is just not enough practice time/familiarity time for these kids to be changing every couple of years. Golden must know this and as sch has decided to keep a base offense as the Miami hurricanes offense and have the coordinators learn terminology and concepts as opposed to asking 40 kids to learn whole new offenses which stump development and the potential to win big.

Just my two cents
 
I dont know why people keep insisting that we ran a strict pro style under fisch. We did it all. As long as it produces I dont care what the **** we run
 
There's a lot of rationalization going on in this thread.

Way too risky a move for an offense that was ready to break out this year and a young stud QB coming in that culd be the talent to take us to the top
 
There's a lot of rationalization going on in this thread.

Way too risky a move for an offense that was ready to break out this year and a young stud QB coming in that culd be the talent to take us to the top

Yeah, you don't know nothin bout that
 
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