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What a Mark Richt offense *might* look like at Miami (long)

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I do believe we will be able to run "RB" screen passes again in which we were dominant with in the early 2000's.
 
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Tree said:
I do believe we will be able to run "RB" screen passes again in which we were dominant with in the early 2000's.
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Agree. I'm thinking specifically about the screen to McGahee vs FSU in 02 - Richt loves those.
 
I'll never understand the fan infatuation with screen passes. They are sucker plays, primarily on third down but also in general. Those are cheap calls that ramble against weak defenses. Top defenses don't allow you to throw a no-risk ball behind the line of scrimmage and pick up meaningful yardage. That's true in college and pro. I don't understand why it's not common sense.

Granted, I have a huge advantage since I worked in a sports stats office for a few years and was exposed to all the trends, including ones that never make it into the day to day sports dialog. That office literally erupted in laughter every time a team tried a third down screen pass in a manageable yardage against a top defense. Invariably those plays are unmercifully destroyed. That's why I literally jumped out of my seat and screamed in disbelief when the Canes ran a screen pass on 3rd and 10 against Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl. That Buckeye team had obliterated screen passes all season. That was the play McGahee's knee was wrecked.

There are plenty of reasons to celebrate Mark Richt. Screen passes are not one of them. If those calls are working, everything works. They look great against Bethune Cookman and fans get excited.
 
Awsi it's not a infatuation, just wanna have it back in out ****nal unlike last few years
 
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Please excuse my ignorance of American football, but is the one back/three receiver set a type of spread offense? I think that was our base set under coach Erickson, and he called it a spread.

Are Mark Richt's and James Coley's philosophies compatible enough for them to collaborate together as a good team? I would like to see Coach Richt call plays and keep Coach Coley for his recruiting while he game plans and learns under Coach Richt.
 
iLoveTDs said:
It's my favorite style of offense and is very similar in philosophy to what we ran in early 00's. Davenport on wheel routes, Shockey down the seam, Andre & Santana on shallow crossing patterns, RB screens to McGahee, go routes to Dre, etc.

I really hope he continues to use a fullback in the run game. I like the smash mouth, wear em down run games. It always opens up the passing game (especially with So Fla RBs), and it's a fall back plan when your QB and offense are just having one of those days (see BC in 01, etc)

Richt likes more up-tempo than what we saw in early 00s, so i think that'll be the big difference.

But thank the lord Richt has already said QBs won't be looking to the sideline, etc. THIS is how you develop your QBs so that they can learn to make decisions on their own.

Coaches in todays game micromanage every **** play, it's insane. Richt's QBs, just like Dorsey, knew what to do against certain looks and blitzes.



Oh and the 4-3 2 deep safety is back in Miami. Jesus, thank you.
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go old school with Cleveland Gary or Melvin Bratton taking a 15 yard pass in the middle of the field and them scoring a 50 yard TD...
 
Awsi Dooger said:
I'll never understand the fan infatuation with screen passes. They are sucker plays, primarily on third down but also in general. Those are cheap calls that ramble against weak defenses. Top defenses don't allow you to throw a no-risk ball behind the line of scrimmage and pick up meaningful yardage. That's true in college and pro. I don't understand why it's not common sense.

Granted, I have a huge advantage since I worked in a sports stats office for a few years and was exposed to all the trends, including ones that never make it into the day to day sports dialog. That office literally erupted in laughter every time a team tried a third down screen pass in a manageable yardage against a top defense. Invariably those plays are unmercifully destroyed. That's why I literally jumped out of my seat and screamed in disbelief when the Canes ran a screen pass on 3rd and 10 against Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl. That Buckeye team had obliterated screen passes all season. That was the play McGahee's knee was wrecked.

There are plenty of reasons to celebrate Mark Richt. Screen passes are not one of them. If those calls are working, everything works. They look great against Bethune Cookman and fans get excited.
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our 2002 victory against FSU when McGahee ran a screen pass 65 yards late in the fourth quarter down to the Nole 8 yard line?!
 
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JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
ghost2 said:
Gatorhater said:
Wait, I did not see "bubble screen" mentioned. How the heck are we going to live without those? What is a RB screen? Is that the thing where you throw a short pass to a RUNNING back and have him RUN? Did we ever use those? Do they work? RBs are allowed to catch behind the LOS? I thought only WRs could do that. Someone should have told Coley about them.
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lol he does run the bubble screen - it's just not 70% of his playbook.
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WR screens are not inherently bad if they are used sparingly and well executed. As you noted, they were neither under Coley or Nix.
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if we run wr screens like moss caught vs fsu in 04, then im cool....we ran those rarely...and when we did it was big gains...just not every ******* possesion
 
To run the same O
- we need another RB .... starting to think are 2 current guys are average
- OL is not good - need some recruits
 
Awsi Dooger said:
I'll never understand the fan infatuation with screen passes. They are sucker plays, primarily on third down but also in general. Those are cheap calls that ramble against weak defenses. Top defenses don't allow you to throw a no-risk ball behind the line of scrimmage and pick up meaningful yardage. That's true in college and pro. I don't understand why it's not common sense.

Granted, I have a huge advantage since I worked in a sports stats office for a few years and was exposed to all the trends, including ones that never make it into the day to day sports dialog. That office literally erupted in laughter every time a team tried a third down screen pass in a manageable yardage against a top defense. Invariably those plays are unmercifully destroyed. That's why I literally jumped out of my seat and screamed in disbelief when the Canes ran a screen pass on 3rd and 10 against Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl. That Buckeye team had obliterated screen passes all season. That was the play McGahee's knee was wrecked.

There are plenty of reasons to celebrate Mark Richt. Screen passes are not one of them. If those calls are working, everything works. They look great against Bethune Cookman and fans get excited.
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The screen pass capitalizes off of over-aggressive defenses. It's a great play when used at the right time. If you've scouted a defense and you know that the DC likes to play man coverage and blitz the house on 3rd & 7 then you run a screen and it likely scores.
 
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Sinorice Moss tied the game against fsu in 04 with 40 seconds left on a screen pass....but oan, the op was a good read.
 
Saw this posted on ITU.....the top 2 all-time passing leaders in the SEC were coached by Richt.

Good read OP, thanks.
 
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Ghost: Great stuff! You're dead on point about Richt/State's curl route. That route has been the cornerstone of the fsu offense for decades. It was Brad Scott's money, signature route. It's one of my personal favorites for obvious reasons. I can't wait to see drives with a dig/post.

If you don;t mind, tell me what you think of Richt's levels concept.

Screen game: Offensive line issues are going to be talked about until the season starts, so now is as good a time as any to ask this question. Do we have enough athleticism, mobility to be an effective screen team? Oh, and this too. Can either KC or Sonny play LT?

Again, outstanding post.
 
plantcity3 said:
Sinorice Moss tied the game against fsu in 04 with 40 seconds left on a screen pass....but oan, the op was a good read.
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IIRC, the screen Moss scored on vs FSU in 04 was a slip screen. Meaning he caught it coming back toward the middle of the field and slipped in behind his blockers before cutting back outside.

Coley didn't run many true bubble screens either. A true bubble screen, the inside WR catches the ball while running sort of an arch (backwards then forward toward the LOS) toward the sideline while the outside WR or WRs engage in blocking. Erickson ran true bubble screens effectively when he was here and that was 1st I had ever seen them

What Coley ran had our WR take 1 step forward then back straight up and catch it flatfooted while stationary. Not sure what type of screen it's actually called, but it's the worst of 3 mentioned here and Coley made it the base of our offense.
 
Large part of the reason we played in shotgun a lot this year because the offense acted like they couldn't block. They didn't want kaaya to get hurt
 
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