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Week 10 ACC Schedule/Rooting Interests

cway313 said:
Won't admit how I feel about that game.
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It’s the type of team that has a chance to beat us. Teams like FSU and Duke have virtually no chance. You have to score a lot of points to beat us, and I don’t care how good your defense is, we’re going to score on you. It took me a while to fully come around to this because I’ve been completely abused for the vast majority of my life, but I think we have a genuine argument for the singular best offense in the entire country. Nobody is holding this team to 17 points. I don’t care who you are.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
It’s the type of team that has a chance to beat us. Teams like FSU and Duke have virtually no chance. You have to score a lot of points to beat us, and I don’t care how good your defense is, we’re going to score on you. It took me a while to fully come around to this because I’ve been completely abused for the vast majority of my life, but I think we have a genuine argument for the singular best offense in the entire country. Nobody is holding this team to 17 points. I don’t care who you are.
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Cookie917 said:
But would it matter? If we beat a 2 loss or 1 loss or a 4 loss clemson (or whoever) team in the ACC championship arent we guaranteed a top 4 seed?

In that event, assume UGA wins out and Oregon wins out then no way, even beating a 1 loss clemson team, jumps us over either of them so I guess we would be fighting over the 3 vs 4 seed. However even assuming BYU wins out or Iowa I just dont see them (or any other big 12 team) jumping us for the 3 seed.

I just think practically the situation or scenario where that would be relevant would be minimal. Something like Oregon losing a close game to like washington. Where do you put in a 1 loss Oregon higher than undefeated miami? Then yes I think it is relevant. Oregon's schedule the rest of the way is cake. Maryland, Michigan, Wisconsin and Washington. If they have a bad loss to one of those teams then I think we would jump them regardless of clemson.

The SEC is a little easier to parse down. No SEC team is left undefeated. If UGA wins out, nothing we could do. If they lose one more but still win SEC championship then I think we get the nod over a 2 loss SEC team if we are undefeated. Texas/Texas A&M play eachother the last game of the season so one of those 2 will have 2 losses, and Tenn and UGA also play in a few weeks so again, one of them will have 2 losses. Every other SEC team aside from those four already has 2 losses.
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Makes total sense. You're right. If we win, we're in.

And the way the system is set up now, we'll have the opportunity to play and win and earn a title. I think I'm still stuck in the old system where national narratives and optics mattered.
 
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AlexCane said:
Makes total sense. You're right. If we win, we're in.

And the way the system is set up now, we'll have the opportunity to play and win and earn a title. I think I'm still stuck in the old system where national narratives and optics mattered.
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honestly man I thought the same exact thing when I read OP and as I was reading your post it felt the same to me. I was stuck in the old way then I actually went to break it down. I think season by season that this analysis can change so it will be a bigger issue other years.

Just this year I am struggling to see the benefit based upon what the teams around us in the rankings have done and whats left on the schedule. However, my entire theory goes out the window if we lose a game. If god forbid we lose to wake or syracuse then we are with the rest of the 1 loss teams and a big win over a highly ranked clemson I think would matter more and you would be right. Tons of assumptions in my post but I think to move up under just about any circumstance we need teams ranked 1-3 to lose.
 
AlexCane said:
Kinda torn on UL-Clemson. On the one hand, if UL wins, our win over them appears better. However, if we play a one-loss Clemson in the ACCCG and beat them, that would likely improve our resume (as opposed to a two-loss Clemson team).

I kinda think UL wins though. If I was a betting man, I'd bet on UL. I think they can score and I don't trust Clemson's offense in a higher scoring game.

Also, don't we kinda want FSU to win to improve our analytics? Their misery is fun but their misery doesn't help us either.
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They played SMU and Clemson and we don't need them to win **** for a national perception boost so
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Both Pitt and SMU starting QBs may not play. As of today, Jennings hasn't been cleared for SMU. Sounds like a lower extremity issue - maybe leg or knee?

And someone mentioned Eli Holstein sustained a concussion at the end of the Syracuse game last week....
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
Both Pitt and SMU starting QBs may not play. As of today, Jennings hasn't been cleared for SMU. Sounds like a lower extremity issue - maybe leg or knee?

And someone mentioned Eli Holstein sustained a concussion at the end of the Syracuse game last week....
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Holstein is playing. Nard-dog said it earlier today. Jennings is iffy.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
5 ACC games this week aside from ours. Two of them have MAJOR implications in the race to Charlotte and for our situation, and another is interesting as well:

Stanford @ NC State, Noon, ACC Network -- We don't play either team, but Stanford played both SMU and Clemson (NC State plays only Clemson), so we should be rooting for NC State to beat Stanford here. NC State is a 9.5 point favorite currently. Not a major swing game by any means, but if you're checking the scores on Saturday during our game, it'd be in our better interest to have NC State win this game.

Virginia Tech @ Syracuse, Noon, The CW -- We play both these teams. Virginia Tech only plays Clemson, no SMU. Syracuse doesn't play either of SMU or Clemson. This one is tough, because on one hand we'd like VT to continue to win for our overall resume, but on the other hand, if Syracuse wins, that's a win in our "conference opponents" column that neither Clemson nor SMU would get. Also, you'd like to keep VT's momentum going as they play Clemson next week at Lane. Verdict here is, it's probably a win/win for us, but if I had to choose, I'll pull for Syracuse to get their record better as again we're the only team who plays them. Cuse is currently a 4 point dog at home.

UNC @ FSU, 3:30, ACC Network -- This game means nothing, as all of Miami, Clemson, and SMU all played FSU, and none of those teams play UNC. So, let's go Heels, continue to bury the One and Sevenoles. UNC is a 2.5 point favorite At Doak HAHAAH. Go Heels.

Louisville @ Clemson, 7:30, ESPN -- Now we get to the big ones. Obviously, ideally we don't want to deal with any of this tiebreaker bull****, so clearly this is a situation where we're pulling for Louisville. Louisville does have Miami, Clemson, and SMU all on the schedule, so this result doesn't impact the tiebreaker. Clemson is a 10.5 point favorite at home, currently. Let's hope Louisville pulls the upset.

Pitt @ SMU, 8:00, ACC Network -- First of all, what a pile of **** league this is, with a primetime game between two ranked teams with combined records of 14-1 playing on the ******* ACC Network. But I digress, just get me outta this dump, and fast. As far as the game, much like the situation above, we'd like to avoid any tiebreakers for making Charlotte, so with Clemson and Pitt still set to play later this year, we should definitely be rooting for Pitt to win on Saturday, especially with this looking like this is SMU's most difficult remaining game. SMU is currently a 7.5 point favorite, and Pitt's QB is uncertain with an injury, so no easy feat. If Pitt does lose, it's not ALL bad, since we don't play them but SMU and Clemson do, so it hurts their overall combined record, but we should definitely be pulling for the Nard Dog. H2P.

COMBINED ACC RECORDS AS OF TODAY:

Miami 7-13 (.350 winning percentage)
SMU 7-14 (.333 winning percentage)
Clemson 7-18 (.280 winning percentage)

So, if the season ended today, Miami would play SMU in Charlotte for the ACC Championship. Obviously a lot of ball to be played.

Bye Weeks:

Boston College
Cal
Georgia Tech (a nice week off before we come to town, lovely)
Virginia
Wake Forest
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Thanks for the breakdown.
 
Cookie917 said:
But would it matter? If we beat a 2 loss or 1 loss or a 4 loss clemson (or whoever) team in the ACC championship arent we guaranteed a top 4 seed?

In that event, assume UGA wins out and Oregon wins out then no way, even beating a 1 loss clemson team, jumps us over either of them so I guess we would be fighting over the 3 vs 4 seed. However even assuming BYU wins out or Iowa I just dont see them (or any other big 12 team) jumping us for the 3 seed.

I just think practically the situation or scenario where that would be relevant would be minimal. Something like Oregon losing a close game to like washington. Where do you put in a 1 loss Oregon higher than undefeated miami? Then yes I think it is relevant. Oregon's schedule the rest of the way is cake. Maryland, Michigan, Wisconsin and Washington. If they have a bad loss to one of those teams then I think we would jump them regardless of clemson.

The SEC is a little easier to parse down. No SEC team is left undefeated. If UGA wins out, nothing we could do. If they lose one more but still win SEC championship then I think we get the nod over a 2 loss SEC team if we are undefeated. Texas/Texas A&M play eachother the last game of the season so one of those 2 will have 2 losses, and Tenn and UGA also play in a few weeks so again, one of them will have 2 losses. Every other SEC team aside from those four already has 2 losses.
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FWIW if this playoff bracket is correct, we definitely want the 4 seed instead of the 3 seed. 4 seed gets G5 or PSU, 3 seed gets either OSU/Clemson



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Squid Bumciorek said:
FWIW if this playoff bracket is correct, we definitely want the 4 seed instead of the 3 seed. 4 seed gets G5 or PSU, 3 seed gets either OSU/Clemson



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Yup in that scenario I agree. However I think they are basing that off if the season ended today. No way the B1G has 1, 5 and 6. When OSU plays PSU that will likely drop one team pretty far down.
 
Cookie917 said:
Yup in that scenario I agree. However I think they are basing that off if the season ended today. No way the B1G has 1, 5 and 6. When OSU plays PSU that will likely drop one team pretty far down.
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Yes it makes no sense to give a second of thought to these brackets right now. It's October. A ton of things can and will change.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
5 ACC games this week aside from ours. Two of them have MAJOR implications in the race to Charlotte and for our situation, and another is interesting as well:

Stanford @ NC State, Noon, ACC Network -- We don't play either team, but Stanford played both SMU and Clemson (NC State plays only Clemson), so we should be rooting for NC State to beat Stanford here. NC State is a 9.5 point favorite currently. Not a major swing game by any means, but if you're checking the scores on Saturday during our game, it'd be in our better interest to have NC State win this game.

Virginia Tech @ Syracuse, Noon, The CW -- We play both these teams. Virginia Tech only plays Clemson, no SMU. Syracuse doesn't play either of SMU or Clemson. This one is tough, because on one hand we'd like VT to continue to win for our overall resume, but on the other hand, if Syracuse wins, that's a win in our "conference opponents" column that neither Clemson nor SMU would get. Also, you'd like to keep VT's momentum going as they play Clemson next week at Lane. Verdict here is, it's probably a win/win for us, but if I had to choose, I'll pull for Syracuse to get their record better as again we're the only team who plays them. Cuse is currently a 4 point dog at home.

UNC @ FSU, 3:30, ACC Network -- This game means nothing, as all of Miami, Clemson, and SMU all played FSU, and none of those teams play UNC. So, let's go Heels, continue to bury the One and Sevenoles. UNC is a 2.5 point favorite At Doak HAHAAH. Go Heels.

Louisville @ Clemson, 7:30, ESPN -- Now we get to the big ones. Obviously, ideally we don't want to deal with any of this tiebreaker bull****, so clearly this is a situation where we're pulling for Louisville. Louisville does have Miami, Clemson, and SMU all on the schedule, so this result doesn't impact the tiebreaker. Clemson is a 10.5 point favorite at home, currently. Let's hope Louisville pulls the upset.

Pitt @ SMU, 8:00, ACC Network -- First of all, what a pile of **** league this is, with a primetime game between two ranked teams with combined records of 14-1 playing on the ******* ACC Network. But I digress, just get me outta this dump, and fast. As far as the game, much like the situation above, we'd like to avoid any tiebreakers for making Charlotte, so with Clemson and Pitt still set to play later this year, we should definitely be rooting for Pitt to win on Saturday, especially with this looking like this is SMU's most difficult remaining game. SMU is currently a 7.5 point favorite, and Pitt's QB is uncertain with an injury, so no easy feat. If Pitt does lose, it's not ALL bad, since we don't play them but SMU and Clemson do, so it hurts their overall combined record, but we should definitely be pulling for the Nard Dog. H2P.

COMBINED ACC RECORDS AS OF TODAY:

Miami 7-13 (.350 winning percentage)
SMU 7-14 (.333 winning percentage)
Clemson 7-18 (.280 winning percentage)

So, if the season ended today, Miami would play SMU in Charlotte for the ACC Championship. Obviously a lot of ball to be played.

Bye Weeks:

Boston College
Cal
Georgia Tech (a nice week off before we come to town, lovely)
Virginia
Wake Forest
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One and Sevenoles.

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Here we go, the rest of the season, and "rooting interests".

Miami has 4 ACC games to go
Clemson has 3 ACC games to go
Pitt has 5 ACC games to go
SMU has 4 ACC games to go

Our BEST INTEREST is for Pitt to lose to both SMU and Clemson. This would almost certain assure a Miami-Clemson championship if we (and SMU) all win out.

The teams we need to root FOR (because they give us a leg up on Clemson and Pitt for Tiebreaker #5) are Duke and GaTech.

The teams we need to root AGAINST (because they could help Clemson and/or Pitt for Tiebreaker #5) are UVA, UNC, and BC.

And, generally speaking, I'd like for Pitt and SMU to lose a bunch so that Miami and Clemson are the clear ACC standard-bearers.

Week 10:
Miami over Duke (duh)
VaTech over Syracuse (tiny advantage for us over Pitt)
F$U over UNC (yuck)
SMU over Pitt (though either one narrows the field)

Week 11:
Wake over Cal (tiny advantage for us over Pitt)
Miami over GaTech (duh)
Pitt over UVa
Syracuse over BC (tiny advantage for us over Pitt)
Duke over NC State

Week 12:
Clemson over Pitt
Louisville over Stanford (tiny advantage for us over Clemson)
Syracuse over Cal (tiny advantage over Pitt)
Wake over UNC (tiny advantage over Pitt)

Week 13:
GaTech over NC State
Miami over Wake (duh)
Duke over VaTech

Week 14:
Miami over Syracuse (duh)
Duke over Wake
NC State over UNC
VaTech over UVa



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