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We looked prepared on defense, what gives?

Smokey

I loved the swarming D that as you said was agressive and yes it had some very big break downs on D. I think KSU is for real after they beat Oklalohoma. These young guys are starting to grow up and buying into the coaching to play their lanes. Just wish that we would get rid of this injury bug that taking out a players almost every game.
 
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frostycane said:
I think the reads on the triple option are much more defined for a defense, like DT takes dive, DE takes qb and OLB takes pitch, or however they do it. But you look at some of their easier scores were on the qb read plays. We will still struggle against the read option. I will say, I am very interested to see how we do this week against a more traditional style offense. We really have not seen one since the BC game. Can we make plays against the run? Can we not make this Glennon kid look like the next coming of Tom Brady? I am really hoping to see some press man to man this weekend. I think our kids can run with anyone. Cant wait to see more of this team!
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Their plan for the option was to feather the quarterback, without committing, to make him hesitate and to permit the db's and LB's to get in position for whatever the QB decided to do. Teams frequently use the DE to feather the quarterback, but D'Onofrio used the LB which put a lot of pressure on the CB to shed the block by the WR. The DE's crashed a lot, apparently to ensure the FB didn't run wild. The scheme worked well except for a couple of times when the CB was unable to shed the block and the QB pitched quickly.

While this defensive performance was encouraging (to the extent you can call giving up 400+ yds. "encouraging"), it should be noted that GT only passed the ball about 8 times and the Canes' pass defense has been appalling. I expect Glennon to have a big day against the Canes next weekend. Offense will likely need to score 42 again to secure a win.
 
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Cityboy4life82 said:
We used Randy Shannon formula for G Tech. We never changed much from it. Not sure where Randy got his scheme for G Tech but it works like a charm.
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D'onofrio was shutting down the same offense at Navy while he was at Temple. He didn't use the "Shannon formula." Jesus.
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If anyone is still wondering whether or not CB4L82 is an epi-troll, just read that post.
 
CanesAreAble said:
WhatTheHell said:
Cityboy4life82 said:
We used Randy Shannon formula for G Tech. We never changed much from it. Not sure where Randy got his scheme for G Tech but it works like a charm.
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D'onofrio was shutting down the same offense at Navy while he was at Temple. He didn't use the "Shannon formula." Jesus.
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If anyone is still wondering whether or not CB4L82 is an epi-troll, just read that post.
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Look at the unique splits of the defensive tackles when we play G Tech. Go back to 08 when we played. The next year Shannon changed up the way we played G Tech. Notice the three lineman bunched to one side. Why everything has to be a fight and ****ing match. Just dropping info man and that is all.
 
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Pretty clear D'onofrio didn't respect the pass at all. If a defensive player doesn't get caught up in the action its easier to just focus on your responsibility. The disciplined guys on defense shined on Saturday.
 
To add, this is why I thought McGee would play a huge factor. You had to know we would sell out against the run. I think the plan was play run on every play and lean on the experience outside in case Washington wanted to throw it. We knew he might beat us a few times but no way he could do it all game.

JMO though.
 
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The formula to stopping the triple option was developed way before Randy came around. Miami wrote the book on stopping the option in the early to mid 80s.

Cityboy4life82 said:
We used Randy Shannon formula for G Tech. We never changed much from it. Not sure where Randy got his scheme for G Tech but it works like a charm.
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I dont think this is rocket science honestly. You'll always play faster if you know where to go. GT favors playing a simplified defense with repetition. That's what I've argued for much of the season--simplification. And that is why. There is no perfect answer here but one thing I know is that we won't play fast if we're shellshocked and confused. More multiple offenses can do that to us and the only way I think that we can even begin to combat it is to be quite simple on defense and work on matching up to the offense rather than trying to be multiple. It's not perfect but we need simplicity and repetition IMO.
 
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Pennmed Canefan said:
I dont think this is rocket science honestly. You'll always play faster if you know where to go. GT favors playing a simplified defense with repetition. That's what I've argued for much of the season--simplification. And that is why. There is no perfect answer here but one thing I know is that we won't play fast if we're shellshocked and confused. More multiple offenses can do that to us and the only way I think that we can even begin to combat it is to be quite simple on defense and work on matching up to the offense rather than trying to be multiple. It's not perfect but we need simplicity and repetition IMO.
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+1 only way to negate their speed is get them thinking too much.

Plus we aren't winning the title this season... so play fast and learn from mistakes. Playing soft or "multiple" at this point would have a negative effect.
 
the defense was shutting GT down til they passed it. they didn't pass the ball until 3 minutes into the 2nd quarter and were already down 19-0. They started throwing the ball forward and scored 36 in a row. thankfully we made adjustments after that 36 but 9 out of 10 times if you give up 36 straight it doesn't matter what adjustments you make cause its a loss already. anyone who can throw a pass forward is still a tough match up for our defense at this point. need to see our DC make it tough on an offense that isn't going to run the ball every play. we know we aren't going to shut folk down and things will be tough on defense...need to at least try to make it tough on them. like this week...we can't let Glennon just play pitch and catch with his WRs. He'll be accurate and they'll catch the ball all day if we sit back.
 
BS everyone.

It wasn't Randy's formula, and it wasn't D'Onofrio's formula.

You guys don't remember when everyone was running the option - Oklahoma had great success for many years. Alabama ran it even under Bear Bryant for a while. Early on it was extremely difficult to defend - with everyone defending old I-back offenses.

But. The good teams, especially those that eventually ran the wishbone - a variation of the current 'option,' learned to defend it.

Just like now. Lots of HS and college teams are running the spread. And it's being defended now by many teams, and defended well.

Guys, I swear. There was football before the millennium, or, the year 2000. There isn't much under the sun that hasn't been done in one form or another in the past fifty years.

"The Shannon Formula." That's some funny stuff right there. From someone who's likely just off the ***.
 
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How about making it that simple against NCSU? "Get past the Oline and hit the QB. If he hands off, fine. Hit the running back."
 
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