WCD and other SoFla Coaches

[hharvey09]

Are they simply playing nickel and dime then? Or do they walk out LBs? Jeez man I knew it was bad but not that bad.

Nickel or Dime?

Man, these guys ain't advanced enough for personnel packages. LOL




I'm jk. (kinda)


Sometimes times they'll just walk an LB out. Some teams will use an extra DB.

Jesus this is WAY worse than I ever knew.

There are high school teams using rip/Liz, palms, 3-4 slant/angle, multiple fronts with adjusters......and So Fla kids are being taught NONE of it.

When I was a Defensive Coordinator the last two years, we taught rip/liz and quarters. It's simple and not hard to teach and I didn't have the mensa members playing in my back 7. If you do have the athletes in high school it's better to keep it simple but you should challenge your kids to get them prepared to play in college.

Which High School?

I'm sorry I should have prefaced that by saying I'm in SW Ohio. My Bad.

 

[CaneFan79]

Nickel or Dime?

Man, these guys ain't advanced enough for personnel packages. LOL




I'm jk. (kinda)


Sometimes times they'll just walk an LB out. Some teams will use an extra DB.

Jesus this is WAY worse than I ever knew.

There are high school teams using rip/Liz, palms, 3-4 slant/angle, multiple fronts with adjusters......and So Fla kids are being taught NONE of it.

When I was a Defensive Coordinator the last two years, we taught rip/liz and quarters. It's simple and not hard to teach and I didn't have the mensa members playing in my back 7. If you do have the athletes in high school it's better to keep it simple but you should challenge your kids to get them prepared to play in college.

Which High School?

I'm sorry I should have prefaced that by saying I'm in SW Ohio. My Bad.

There are some of us familiar with SW Ohio football, so still interested in the school...Gall came from Moeller.

 

[hharvey09]

Moeller played their games at the stadium of the school I coached at two years ago so I'm very familiar with their program. I was at Western Hills High School until this past season.

 

[CaneFan79]

Moeller played their games at the stadium of the school I coached at two years ago so I'm very familiar with their program. I was at Western Hills High School until this past season.

Cool, my great nephew (a huge 'Cane Fan, BTW) played a HS B-Ball game there last week...

 

[hharvey09]

What school did he play against?

 

[Coach Macho]

Nickel or Dime?

Man, these guys ain't advanced enough for personnel packages. LOL




I'm jk. (kinda)


Sometimes times they'll just walk an LB out. Some teams will use an extra DB.

Jesus this is WAY worse than I ever knew.

There are high school teams using rip/Liz, palms, 3-4 slant/angle, multiple fronts with adjusters......and So Fla kids are being taught NONE of it.

When I was a Defensive Coordinator the last two years, we taught rip/liz and quarters. It's simple and not hard to teach and I didn't have the mensa members playing in my back 7. If you do have the athletes in high school it's better to keep it simple but you should challenge your kids to get them prepared to play in college.

Which High School?

I'm sorry I should have prefaced that by saying I'm in SW Ohio. My Bad.

You're in Ohio, THAT is why you were doing some real coaching.

I feel like part of my job as a coach is to have my kids well-versed in ALL THINGS FOOTBALL, as well as get them ready for the next level. Ideally, I'd like to develop kids that can move on and become good coaches themselves. Not everybody can play football at the college level. (especially 99% of the kids I have) But if a kid can move on and become a good coach that says a lot about your ability to pass on knowledge to your players.

 

[Coach Macho]

Thanks WCD......even against all the spread offenses down there?

Sure.

Are they simply playing nickel and dime then? Or do they walk out LBs? Jeez man I knew it was bad but not that bad.

Nickel or Dime?

Man, these guys ain't advanced enough for personnel packages. LOL




I'm jk. (kinda)


Sometimes times they'll just walk an LB out. Some teams will use an extra DB.

Jesus this is WAY worse than I ever knew.

There are high school teams using rip/Liz, palms, 3-4 slant/angle, multiple fronts with adjusters......and So Fla kids are being taught NONE of it.

Yeah, I don't see any of that stuff on the high school level down here.

 

[FullyERicht]

As WCD said, and the point of the post is really that South Florida kids aren't learning that stuff, while kids in (for example SW Ohio), are getting real coaching (save for WCD who is not at a typical larger sized inner city program if I am correct).

What kind of stuff do they do at St. Thomas Aquinas? I mean **** is it really that hard to teach palms and palms-man (TCU calls this "special" coverage, I call it palms man) when kids play all year down here?

 

[hollyhood27]

Anything other than 4-3 man-under involves too much complexity. That would mean the coaches have to know more ****, teach more **** and do more film study.

"Ain't nobody got time fuh dat!"



I remember D'Onofrio came by the school one time and he said that when he got to Miami the first thing the DB's wanted to know was "when we gonna play press?"


You'll see a little bit of zone down here but it's played kinda poorly and very prehistoric. The Cover-2 is "hard", i.e. the CB's just sit in the flats and twiddle their thumbs, they don't sink and take away the 4-vert concept. Everybody is spot dropping, covering grass and watching the QB.

American Heritage runs some nice stuff on defense. They're very multiple. Rumph and I had a couple meetings and talked about the concepts we like to run and he's got some good stuff for his kids. Different coverages and different fronts then you normally see at the high school level down here.


There's a site I love called CoachHuey.com, which is a message board filled with high school and (small) college coaches from all over the country. They talk about concepts, coverages, plays, fronts, blitzes, blah blah blah...basically EVERYTHING schematic. It's basically a site of coaches helping coaches. There's some great stuff on there. I haven't seen anybody from the state of Florida on there yet...(lol figures)...but these guys in other parts of the nation are teaching their high school kids some GREAT stuff. They post videos of their schemes and plays, and you can see in the video that they often aren't working with the best athletes, thus the desire to imploy more complex/sound schemes. Kinda reminds me of what I was dealing with at WHS. I really respect those guys and their knowledge and I've learned some good reading that board.

I guess that's the type of coaching you get when you pay your guys more than $1500 a season. I'd like to see more guys from FLA on that board but I ain't expecting that to happen anytime soon.

i second that about coachhuey I am on that board ever time i get a free second. the only down side is some coaches try to be the smartest guy in the room.

The only time we ever play a team from the south florida is in 7on7 or the state finals. And we love to play those teams from an offensive standpoint because they only really play 1 defense and run 1 passing concept

There are some great coaches in SoFla but there are too many there that are there...well i don't know why they are there. (probably because they have relationships that are important in the community and recruiting)

Man coverage?

Vertical passing game?

Formation them to death, get good match ups. Give them false keys. Use their athletic aggressiveness against them.

 

[Coach Macho]

As WCD said, and the point of the post is really that South Florida kids aren't learning that stuff, while kids in (for example SW Ohio), are getting real coaching (save for WCD who is not at a typical larger sized inner city program if I am correct).

What kind of stuff do they do at St. Thomas Aquinas? I mean **** is it really that hard to teach palms and palms-man (TCU calls this "special" coverage, I call it palms man) when kids play all year down here?

South Florida simply isn't the place good coaches come to coach. Also, many of the good coaches down here are prehistoric.

For example, Guandolo and his DC (Cypress Bay) are good coaches but they didn't run the concepts we're talking about. They're old school.

Some of the concepts we're referring to are relatively new in the world of football. It might be common knowledge to NFL and college coaches but it has yet to trickle down to all the high school programs.

You gotta have an open mind and a desire for knowledge to learn these things and implement them. Majority of the coaches down here aren't that open-minded and don't have that drive. They think they know. And they don't know, that they don't know. (<---if that makes sense)

I go out of town to these coaching clinics and I very rarely see South Florida guys.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

The water break 6 minutes into each quarter is more sophisticated than the local defenses. That's not much of an exaggeration.

South Dade this year was the first program I've seen in years that seemed to have a specific defensive game plan in place for the opponent, with quite a bit of variance from their typical approach. I'm not surprised they won the title in their classification.

 

[CaneFan79]

What school did he play against?

Yeah, I didn't specify too well; Western Hills