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TimeB0mb said:
So you agree that there are excellent players that recruiting services overlook because they don't have film. Why are you obsessed with the recruiting rankings? Miami has a staff that evaluates recruits too. They might not like who the services like. For example- there might be a 4 star CB and a 3 star WR who Miami projects as a CB. WR has little to no film as a CB. Rumph wants the WR because he thinks he has more to work with. Rumph has earned the benefit of the doubt as he is excellent at developing players.

I think Zion Nelson is going to be an outstanding tackle. He was 2 star. Ideally you redshirt a guy like him but Searles had done such a poor job that Nelson had to start as a true freshman. The bright side of his early struggles are that he seems to have taken huge strides in the latter part of the season. He will settle that LT position so now Barry has the luxury of getting more Nelsons and giving them a RS.

90% of the board complains that Miami shouldn't let itself be treated like a recruiter's 2nd or 3rd option. So that's exactly what Diaz is fixing. If Miami thinks it is getting played, they are cutting bait early and moving to other options. Would you rather have Miami kissing a recruit's *** only to see him throw the U on the floor after playing the hat game? Miami has to establish that it wont be treated like a doormat, especially by local recruits. That's what is happening now. If it means that some local kids who the recruiting services like are told, "Sorry, we're not letting you play us. Have a nice day." Then so be it.
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Nah not really. I don't think i mentioned anything about stars or people being overlooked. I said I think Greg was rated accurately coming out of HS. It is absolute fact though that the class average needs to end up somewhere north of 0.89 though if we are ever consistently gonna get in NY6 bowls year after year.

We are sitting at only 2 OL recruits this cycle at a position of dire need and the original point of the OP i assume is that we had a ton of local talent and Barry is signing zero of them. That is concerning.

Lastly, I don't know how Diaz is fixing the UM being a placeholder problem we have. We are still chasing Francois after him de committing twice and unable to get Harrel and Greene to pull the trigger even though they were/are committed to an FSU team that is all-time bad at defense in the programs history.
 
Tbh..we have a 2star and a 3 star out performing 4 stars in the oline room..I like that kid Washington out of Tenn and apparently the recruiting services do to since after his Sr season camp and film got out..they gave him a big bump..we evaluated and took him as a low 3star..that’s a good sign ..and you have rivers who fits the “rankings prototype” your looking for. Barry seems to be looking more at guys who fit an athletic prototype then just big guys who dominate because the advantage they have at that age..with that said walker, who we were on under this staff, is indeed a miss..Denis doesn’t impress me all that much.

we have Gaynor for at least 2 more years..scaife for 2, Zion for 3 and 53. Along with Campbell who we all loved of HS, and zillery..it’s a young room That seems to be developing. I’ll be interested to see how they look in the bowl game and whoemerges this offseason. But Zion seems to have that LT position locked down for the foreseen future
 
canesmh18 said:
Nah not really. I don't think i mentioned anything about stars or people being overlooked. I said I think Greg was rated accurately coming out of HS. It is absolute fact though that the class average needs to end up somewhere north of 0.89 though if we are ever consistently gonna get in NY6 bowls year after year.

We are sitting at only 2 OL recruits this cycle at a position of dire need and the original point of the OP i assume is that we had a ton of local talent and Barry is signing zero of them. That is concerning.

Lastly, I don't know how Diaz is fixing the UM being a placeholder problem we have. We are still chasing Francois after him de committing twice and unable to get Harrel and Greene to pull the trigger even though they were/are committed to an FSU team that is all-time bad at defense in the programs history.
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I agree that the blue chip ratio is important; but the difference between 4 stars and 5 stars often isn't much. Then you have Rosseau's who have freakish athleticism but are 3 stars on the cusp of being 4 stars. You have to take those guys too, especially if their position is TBD. There shouldn't be many 2 stars, but sometimes you find gems. I am a believer in Barry's philosophy of finding athletic linemen who can put on weight without losing their agility. Note that despite Clemsons dominance, not a single OL from Clemson is playing in the NFL. Basically they prioritize system fits. I can see that Barry is on the same page as Enos when it comes to recruiting OL (need OL who can run and block downfield for screens). Its a better philosophy than Richt and Searles had, of trying to build a bulky SEC line with sub par players.
 
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canesmh18 said:
I'm 100% down for Manny hitting portal hard every year. This staff will never get elite classes right out of HS. You are highly exaggerating how many 5* OL's there are every year though. There's plenty of blue chip kids out there ranked in the top 500 players in the nation.

Theres only like 32 5* kids total for every position in the country. Means a legit handful are Olineman at most. Kids like Martinez, Denis and Walker aren't getting bought and paid for. Just poor recruiting from the staff. Scaife, Donaldson and Reed were all fairly sought after blue chip kids the previous staff identified and secured. Decent shot they would have got Evan Neal as well if it wasn't for that abomination of a season. Did Searels use bags?

Rosseau being a 3* is misleading. He's basically becoming the modern day "Ed Reed was a 2*" nonsense. Greg was a skinny 6'6 athlete who basically played every position on the field. Kinda hard for any recruiting service to assess what he would become as a DE with almost no film.
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I agree with you. The staff has to identify the right kids and developing them. It's not about the stars for OL. Most of the OL guys that go onto the NFL are 3-star recruits that have developed into beasts. GT and Pitt putting more OL in the league than Clemson. The failure of past staffs is identification and development not stars.

As much as we rag on our O-line, I think they've turned the corner. We have a bunch of good young linemen that need to continue to develop. I think the 2018 and 2019 O-line classes are really good. May not be **** 5-stars, but these kids are athletic and have great upsides. I think that's the way to go and it seems that it's the staff's philosophy. Get athletic kids with good frames that we can develop. In the future, we should see 3-4 kids in the NFL out of our current 2-deep.

Same thing for our 2019 DT class. Not high end 5-star guys, but high 3 and 4 star kids with great upside that the coaches are raving about. If we can get a solid 2020 class, we should start stacking players and having a veteran upper class team. We should see most if not all of our junior class returning and despite playing a bunch of freshman, we have a lot of guys red shirting this year.

I think the future is bright.
 
TimeB0mb said:
Dont care. Could be busts, could be great. Will reiterate that Rosseau was a 3 star and our most reliable WR is a transfer from the University of Buffalo. Miami can do well in the transfer market on a lot of positions...
EXCEPT OL. You don't normally find good ones transferring. Have to grow those in house.

I actually like how Barry is recruiting OL. 5 stars are bought and paid for already. Doesn't matter if Miami had a 10 win season, those 5 star OL aren't turning down bags.
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Yep. QB, CB, DT, OT - the premium players in college that you build your recruiting class around. The best ones are bought and paid for.
 
Juancane said:
Cause our fans are entitled and think everyone local has to want to go to UM or they are disloyal
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Not true at all actually. The point of “recruiting” is to win kids over that don’t start off wanting to play for you. Otherwise you’re not really needed as a recruiter, these kids are already coming to you.

We just feel as if our staff absolutely sucks at winning kids over that don’t already want to come here. And so many of should be shown the door.
 
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TimeB0mb said:
So you agree that there are excellent players that recruiting services overlook because they don't have film. Why are you obsessed with the recruiting rankings? Miami has a staff that evaluates recruits too. They might not like who the services like. For example- there might be a 4 star CB and a 3 star WR who Miami projects as a CB. WR has little to no film as a CB. Rumph wants the WR because he thinks he has more to work with. Rumph has earned the benefit of the doubt as he is excellent at developing players.

I think Zion Nelson is going to be an outstanding tackle. He was 2 star. Ideally you redshirt a guy like him but Searles had done such a poor job that Nelson had to start as a true freshman. The bright side of his early struggles are that he seems to have taken huge strides in the latter part of the season. He will settle that LT position so now Barry has the luxury of getting more Nelsons and giving them a RS.

90% of the board complains that Miami shouldn't let itself be treated like a recruiter's 2nd or 3rd option. So that's exactly what Diaz is fixing. If Miami thinks it is getting played, they are cutting bait early and moving to other options. Would you rather have Miami kissing a recruit's *** only to see him throw the U on the floor after playing the hat game? Miami has to establish that it wont be treated like a doormat, especially by local recruits. That's what is happening now. If it means that some local kids who the recruiting services like are told, "Sorry, we're not letting you play us. Have a nice day." Then so be it.
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This is the equivalent of the dude with no personality complaining that he can’t get girls. So just goes home alone every night. “Until these girls come around to my boring personality and the nothingness I have to offer, they can all f*ck off.”

Diaz has a staff filled with coaches that aren’t likable to most of South Florida recruits. They don’t get how to recruit and don’t have the personality for it. The solution to that isn’t to boycott those recruits. It’s to go get coaches with a personality.
 
Juancane said:
Cause our fans are entitled and think everyone local has to want to go to UM or they are disloyal
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While that may be true, it goes the other way as well. So many seem to think that UM owes the local kids something, even though the local kids crap on our program over and over again, even using us to get "better" offers.
 
Liberty City El said:
Blame the players Bro, it's not the Coaches fault!

Need to recruit kids from Idaho & Wyoming on the OL!
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At what point given the upward momentum in terms of development does this start to sound silly though? They get kids from OOS to perform as frosh but we're beholden to locals who always **** can us? Keep in mind.....when I say perform the assumption being we don't see a ****show in our next three games obviously.

I don't care who we bring in on the OL or from where. Show me development over anything else. OL is the ultimate crapshoot right in front of DT.
 
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canesglory said:
Because a good recruiter sells why his program is the best for said 5 stars
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yes agree, but less likely with this generation.. 5stars go to basically the same schools, with a few exceptions. it doesnt mean the other schools have ****** recruiters, and it doesnt mean the elite schools have amazing recruiters.
 
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