Upon Further Review- Cheez-It Bowl

[Ethnicsands]

I’m not backtracking, what a weak retort, you’re just projecting — in addition to pushing an intellectually regressive fake narrative.

Only an idiot would think that a turnover chain is “symbolic of Manny…”. Turnover Chain makes no appearances at training table, in the weight room, at meeting rooms or at practices. What a ******* stupid thing to write. LOL. Clearly you need to learn what culture is first (it’s not what you think it is) and then attempt to muddy the waters of culture definition. Turnover Chain “culture”, a game day reward for turnovers, is UNIQUELY South Florida. It’s showy, it’s gaudy, it‘s South Florida. It’s Miami. And, I love it. You don’t, that’s on you. there have always been Miami fans who were quite a bit reticent to embrace “Miami Hurricanes culture” circa mid-80’s. They HATED the taunting, the dirty dancing, etc. Miami did it when they won, they did it when they lost.

The culture being a disaster is the turnover chain’s fault? You’re beyond reaching now. And it has a retroactive effect that covers the Richt, Golden, Shannon, Coker years too? LMAO!

You did say kids don’t know work and sacrifice so spare me the righteous indignation. And Manny does have elements of work and sacrifice — his problems is he doesn’t know what, or understand how, to measure the DETAILS that are really important; the details that creates consistent good football play.

Your last bit on leadership isn’t an indictment of Manny, it’s an indictment of your knowledge of leadership — which from your examples seem lacking. The whole “weak panzies“ only proves that you’re being emotional about this instead of rational. And, that’s why you’re not close to being right about this. The kids believe and respect Manny; they just don’t know what they don’t know.

Most coaches suck. Fact. Manny is better than most coaches. Most coaches don’t have a turnover chain (there’s only one). Turnover Chain ain’t the problem. It’s stupid to even suggest that it might be, much less is.

that’s a lot of words to dig yourself deeper into the idiotic hole you’re in.

our culture is good? is that your theory? or just that you admit it is deficient but just want to cling to your chain as unrelated to it?

manny himself said the culture sucked when he took over. and yes the turnover chain is symbolic of him. it’s also mocked by the programs that fist us on a regular basis. manny’s a joke, his culture isn’t working yet, and it’s been based on baubles not fundamentals. it’s not just that of course, but go ahead and keep trying to twist the discussion to cling to your delusion that you’re making coherent sense.

as for culture and leadership, lol. we don’t need to debate either topic here. if you think manny’s a leader, have at it. you’re not going to convince anyone with a brain.

 

[Ethnicsands]

You fallback on your weak debate tactics because you‘re wrong and can’t bring yourself to admit it — so you project. LOL.

Back to your next weak debate tactic: when you’re losing put words in his mouth. I never said the culture was good; I did say the coaching isn’t. I say that all the time — almost to the exclusion of blaming the athletes. So keep spinning Rumplestiltskin.

Manny saying the culture sucked is what all coaches say when they take over, unless their names end in Day or Riley. The “U” is mocked by opponents as well. Should Miami stop throwing up one of the top hand gestures for a college? To real fans, what rivals do doesn’t matter. And you can pick a side, you don’t have to try to have it both ways. If Manny’s a joke…you don’t have to say yet. Hedging?

There you go with that dumb **** again. Manny’s culture is not “…based on baubles…”; again, that’s stupid. It makes no sense. And it’s illustrative of your sheer desperation to not admit how stupid your thesis is.

Manny is a leader, by definition — he’s the head football coach. And, I could argue that he’s a successful leader (winning percentage…lead wrong, lead right…successful); however, I wouldn’t argue that he’s been successful at leading the program to the turnaround that I want/expect; and that’s due to what I believe are failures in his understanding of what‘s needed to make that transformation. But, only a ******* fool would think that the presence of the turnover chain is some sort of avatar for culture.

Take another L.

you think the title makes him a leader. we can stop there. you’re trying to squirm out of the argument without admitting you position is a fail. but you’re just drawing attention to the idiocy of your position.

we all understand his title, in any case, so there’s really no point in your response even if you believe it makes sense, which you can’t because no sane person could. you clearly can deduce that i’m using the word substantively not literally.

anyhow, manny agrees the culture isn’t good, and our opponents certainly prove it when they humiliate us. now you apparently agree it isn’t good ‘enough.’. so we’re left with you like the chain, so you refuse to see it as connected to anything else about manny’s leadership style (or lack there of) or culture. but you really understand culture, because ... reasons.

whatever. you like the chain. that’s what you got. yay.

 

[Cane6]

There are high school recruits and their coaches that if they breakdown film at 1/10th the rate of Lance Roffers, they can see the level of coaching at Miami, or the lack thereof.

I really like the improvements Lashlee made as a whole, but am super curious to see how he handles the WR position in 2021. The lazy technique on the field, poor blocking and ridiculous drops, there has to be consequences to Pope and Wiggins

 

[Ethnicsands]

More weak debate tactics I see. Just be a man and take the L and stop making an *** out of yourself.

You’re just using … “words”. Too bad you can’t string them together into a non-emotional point. You’ve been wrong from the beginning and don’t want to admit that your comments about the turnover chain are moronic.

Opponents don’t “prove” anything. LMAO that’s stupid. Again, your emotional attachments are logical discussion impossible.

Turnover chain bad, kids don’t work or sacrifice, Manny is a panzy = L

if i have you defending the idiot who lost to FIU, La Tech, got annihilated by mack brown and can’t win a bowl game, who hires weak inexperienced staff on his side of the ball, doesn’t hold them accountable, didn’t recruit WRs effectively when it was his responsibility and thinks the turnover chain and a beer party at a fsu clinic are good ideas, then i guess one or both of two things is true - either i’m a great debater or you’re an idiot. in either case i can hang up an internet w at this point in the discussion. good luck with your replica chain!

 

[Ethnicsands]

The “U” is mocked by opponents as well. Should Miami stop throwing up one of the top hand gestures for a college?

Its a good question. The whole U hand gesture largely overlaps the period of time this program has been a failure. That fans today think it’s a symbol of our greatness is just a result of misinformation and displaced emotion. It originated, best I can find, in ‘92 (we’ve won 1 title since), and wasn’t really a big thing until the 2000s, when Donna the Troll hyped it up. I appreciate some fans are as attached to it as some North Koreans are to the Kim family, but that doesn’t mean it’s doing us any more good than Un is them.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Ok, at least you’re consistent. I wouldn’t go that far (but I’m for keeping the chain too…).

- Tomahawk Chop, Eagle fly-in, Gator Chomp, dotting the i, 12th man, fight songs, alma maters, etc … all those schools should just give them up? Man, that’s college football.

Now, if you want to eliminate the playing of “Sweet Caroline“ at sporting events … sign me up. (This from a lifelong Red Sox fan)

I knew there was something I liked about you. Fenway Park in the ‘70s was a beautiful thing.

I have no advice for those other programs. Their symbols’ popularity are unlikely to be directly correlated to their downfall, but who knows, I’m not archivist. I do think when someone hypes a symbol whose imagined meaning is entirely inconsistent with the actual performance of the person / team / institution doing the hyping, it’s fair to ask whether the symbol is constructive or not. We were pretty darn good before the hand gesture became popular, and we’ve been pretty darn terrible since then. Not asserting any form of causation, but the irony is there.

 

[TruCane81]

Lance cites the fact (did I misread?) that this was not our defense's MO during the year. This is exactly the defense's MO since Baker got here. Soft zone to start and allow the opposing QB to get into a comfort zone. That gives good teams too much to exploit and puts us at a real advantage and gives bad to average QBs a puncher's chance against us.

Naw, Lance is right.

You think that because we plaso much SOFT/ OFF MAN coverage.

The big cushions and hardly ever pressing makes you think it’s zone, but it’s mostly man. Free releases for everybody.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Nanny Eiaz is a used car salesman, not materially different from Al Gorlden, just a different 'style.'

Here's how Nanny operates: someone drives a car onto the lot. It reeks of a corpse, has red stains, dents and scratches on the outside, and the engine is falling apart. Oh, and it has 280,000 miles on it. And some crusty yellow stuff on the windows that looks like tissue. Nanny fires his mechanic, buys lunch with the savings, then wipes the car down inside, hangs some fancy pine tree smelling dice from the rear view mirror, and gets a paint guy to touch up the dents and paint a big old lightening bolt on the doors. He then advertises the car as an almost new 'vintage replica'. No word on whether the miles got adjusted. Fans of cars with lightening bolts love the look and line up to buy. No one can understand why the thing farts and wheezes, but inevitably the blame falls on all the other car dealerships in the area, which are clearly monopolizing the supply of mechanic labor.

A year later, the guy who bought the vintage replica comes back and demands a refund and threatening to sue, explaining that the car looked good but it drove like **** and now gets outrun by his neighbor's three-legged dog. Nanny says bring the car back and let me take a look. Guy gets the car delivered by a flat-bed (can't drive on its own). Nanny calls around to local dealerships looking for a mechanic. They're all like 'nah, we're busy.' So he calls a local detailer and is like 'get me some new rims, pronto!' Detailer says 'they're expensive to buy ... but I can get you a great lease deal on a used set.' Nanny's like 'done!' Calls the car owner back and tells him it's better than ever. Says 'don't want to bother you to come back for it - I'll deliver it ... gratis.' So he has the lemon with borrowed rims dropped in front of the guy's house. Takes some photos with it. Tweets the photos around - look at me, lightening bolt, thunder rims.

In other news, local bodegas are all out of bananas. No idea why.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Grew up wanting to be Jim Ed. Couldn’t hit a curve to save my life. Couldn’t watch a game without scoring it…can’t even remember how to score a game now. Racing home from school to watch the end of the tiebreaker … who names their kid Bucky anyway!

I've had some good experiences in life, but listening to Red Sox games on the radio with my dad as a kid was as great as anything. Remember the summer of '75. '78 broke my frickin heart. Yaz was my first sports hero. Loved Rice also. Fisk was always special after the HR. Moved from Boston when I was young but always stayed loyal to the Sox.

 

[gatorsSUCK!]

Play like you practice? Here’s Mclouds practice clip and it looks just like his game film

 

[umfire]

Hate to pile on but a LOT of these mistakes are like pop-warner ****. Not falling back when you catch, setting an edge on contain, attacking inside shoulder... that is 7th grade stuff. I refuse to believe we aren’t coaching that.

Baker’s version Manny’s defense is awful, no doubt. What makes it especially awful is that in this defense, LB’s and Safeties are asked to do a
LOT. We have exactly zero impact players at those positions which exacerbates the already ****** scheme.

 

[grover]

That game was a travesty. We were more talented athletically across the board (well, maybe not at LB) but got schooled by their better game planning and sounder fundamentals.

So much work to do. LBs, WRs, CBs, OL. Our coaches are going to earn their paycheck this offseason. I hope we get in a real winter/spring camp, because we desperately need it.

With most of the 2021 kids on campus, I expect many of them will be instantaneously in the 2 deep, and we're going to see even more transfers exiting camp.

 

[grover]

@LanceRofflers, can you remember any other team having this many drops in all the film you've cut?

I worry about our QBs. How do King and Perry not lose confidence?

 

[CaneDawgCrew]

@LanceRofflers, can you remember any other team having this many drops in all the film you've cut?

I worry about our QBs. How do King and Perry not lose confidence?

the fact Perry is still mentioned is part of the problem. The fact our LB starters were still starters is the problem.

I am just grumpy today.

 

[CaneDawgCrew]

Now you’re putting words in my mouth.

Not even Manny believes the turnover chain is “the foundation of cultural restoration” … LMAO … it’s just like every other bauble in college football, be it a lunch pail, an axe, a belt, a sledgehammer, a hand gesture … and even running through smoke. You lowering the discussion to write that is just weak.

Lastly, I really don’t know when your day was. It doesn’t matter. But you’re wrong and also overstating an attempt at a point to say that the kids today don’t know work or sacrifice. The kids today just have less leadership — which has nothing to do with the chain.L

**** may be freezing over because I may agree with you. Leadership.

Leadership doesn't let you put a chain around your neck because you got a meaningless turnover when down 21 points.
Leadership doesn't let you dance on the sideline while getting trashed by FIfreakinU
Leadership doesn't let you keep playing when missing tackles, dropping passes, or just generally missing your assignments

I am sure there are more but I can't gather my thoughts since I can't get passed agreeing with tetra.

 

[mirasuegui]

Nice work @Lance Roffers

That first quarter defense was embarrassing, not only because we went down 21-0, but because I think most of us knew Baker was going to go bend but don't break (soft zone) and allow the QB easy throw after easy throw.

can someone explained why anyone would play a bend but don't break defense, the only thing it seems to do is get the QB in a groove : Also why don't we ever cover the flats, seems like our players have to run 15-20 yards to get to the flats :

 

[mirasuegui]

Lance cites the fact (did I misread?) that this was not our defense's MO during the year. This is exactly the defense's MO since Baker got here. Soft zone to start and allow the opposing QB to get into a comfort zone. That gives good teams too much to exploit and puts us at a real advantage and gives bad to average QBs a puncher's chance against us.

agree look like the same soft zone that Clemson chewed up :

 

[mirasuegui]

That was worse than I thought it would be.

One thing I agree with that someone said is that Pope and Wiggins look like they completely lack confidence right now. I remember when Chad Johnson was playing for the Dolphins and Joe Philbin saying that he had "lost it" shortly after cutting him. And he knew it because everytime he tried to catch the ball he would catch it "bread basket" style and use his body to craddle it while falling down. That is a sure sign that a WR has zero confidence in there hands. I never knew what he meant by that until now. Is there anyway to fix something like this re Pope and Wiggins? Are they a "shot boxer" at this point?

I also remember Jimmy Johnson saying that football smarts in a player is something that is non-negotiable for him when evaluating. You can be big, strong, fast, agile..all of that..but if you are just plain football dumb there is nothing he could do with you. I also never understood what he meant by that until now. Many of our players might have 4.0 GPAs in the classroom but are definitely 1.0 GPA students on the field. Its clear as day when these "Upon Further Reviews" come out. Smh.

as JJ said i want football players not track guys : doesn't matter if your running a 4.3 if your heading in the wrong direction. Remember JJ first preseason when he told the team there are only 2 players that have made this team < Marino, and Zach Thomas, and everyone said Zach who :

 

[TruCane81]

TL,DR

One of the reasons why you don’t hire green head coaches/managers is because they often times don’t understand what EFFECTIVE leadership is. Doesn’t mean they necessarily can’t do, or won’t ever be able to do the job; it’s the fits and starts of on-the-job training that you may not have enough runway for. And, it’s the wasted efforts that have a real cost.

I like Manny Diaz. There I said it. So far, he hasn’t shown me that he’s the deliverer/messiah/prophesied/chosen one and that frustrates me too. I think I like him because he’s smart; but that’s my problem. It’s like watching someone formulating the answer and thinking “you’re right there” but they don’t get it, yet you can see them using what you would consider a “smart” process. Or, it’s like screaming at the idiot in the horror movie running into a shack full of chainsaws.

About 30 years ago I was sitting in the stands of a track meet with friends, and an alumni of a few of the athletes (who happened to be a Wall Street lawyer) said “only 2% of anybody is any good”; extrapolating to D1 football … About 3 coaches. That doesn’t bode well for most of college football when it appears those coaches are already taken — and not going anywhere. Which is why I say most coaches suck.

There are a ****load of coaches who are using the exact “leadership” techniques that many of you are advocating for, yet they’re not getting the results. Hermans, Pruitt, Smart, Fedora, Muschamp, McElwain … the list is unending. I remember when Fry was the coach at Iowa then they hired Ferentz — who was a “hot” coach and is still considered a good coach, but Miami fans would burn coral Gables to the ground if a coach had only won the conference twice in 21 seasons with the last time being 16 years ago. FWIW, he’s one of the highest paid coaches in football.

Manny isn’t a charlatan. He‘s also not the “used car salesman“ many would like to portray him as. His kids believe in him and the culture — and that’s the problem, because the culture is missing just a few ingredients. Manny has to determine if he can hold kid’s more accountable and do it. Manny needs to determine if he can work kids harder and do it. Manny needs to demand “mastery” from his player — and coaches — and get it. But most importantly, Manny needs to let his intelligence, and he‘s a smart guy, keep him out of his own way. Stop trying to reinvent the wheel.

I keep waiting for Manny to pull the figurative sword from the stone, or pick up a figurative wooden staff, or light saber or believe he can beat Mr. Smith — and stop being the reluctant chosen one. He seems so close and that’s why I scream.

ALL OF THIS.

That lawyer was spot on, but his point needs clarification. His definition of “good” is more akin to elite mastery.

Very, very few have the ability to reach the level of pinnacle performance because they lack irrational TRUE self confidence. Many people feign this irrational confidence, but overwhelmingly are phony try hards that fail when the stakes are the highest.

Belief is literally magic. People don’t accept that fact because TIME is the ULTIMATE test of your true beliefs and intentions. Time will ALWAYS confirm you or expose you. Every man and woman that walks the earth was, is, or will become EXACTLY what their heart believes them to be. This is inescapable, unfailing universal law.

This is why everyone, not just coaches, can make such stupid decisions with the right answers staring them in the face. Logic cannot defeat heart felt belief in the moment. It can be only used as a catalyst to help change heaRT felt belief over time.

Diaz has become what he has believed, just like everyone else. He is a smart, likable guy but his body language exposes the truth of his lack of intangibles to be a championship coach and ace recruiter. The book on him isn’t finished, but the task of him becoming what this program needs is not something most people can accomplish.

 

[1mg of Epi]

im not sure how to receive this. my first thought is that these players simply aren't good enough. I cant believe that they are being coached to do these things. My only fault is that they keep playing players that don't know what they are doing. I always question whether our players are students of the game that break down film or are they kids that feel they have made it because they are at the U

Those D players decided on their own to go w a soft zone? Interesting.