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[HarrietTubmanCane]

Those examples are deftly accurate and relevant because they are of 4* high school WRs recruits with size that UM brought in believe they would be dynamic and they were not. It's the same position U are advocating that your nephew (Hightower) can fill, and this may be root of your argument. His offer is hearing footsteps, but that's cool, just tell him to commit already.

 

[John77]

Just took 4 slot receivers in Mullins, jeff Thomas, Harley and deejay dallas in the last 2 classes that are each about 5'10- 5'11.... it would be pretty stupid to take another one this year...

That seems a bit rigid, don't you think? If we take four this year, surely one of them could be under 6'0.

Moore at 5'11 along with three guys in the 6'1 to 6'4 range seems just fine to me.

I'm fine if we take Moore , I like Moore but he's in competition with Xavier Williams and Thompson for that final spot who the coaches are clearly higher on.... Xavier Williams is a beast and you fight to end for him....
Pope
Hightower
Wiggins
Final spot Williams/Thompson or Moore....

Xavier Williams has my vote for that last spot for sure. Would be a really impressive WR haul.

 

[Geo305]

How Gurvan Hall & Josh Jobe are not in that is a crime.

Surtain is good and well polished but I have always said Campbell was the crown jewel DB prospect on that team.

James Cook is very overrated. Meanwhile Cam & Nayquan & McIntosh out there competing. He'll take a rep and go sit, have not heard good things about his attitude at all.

Kevin Austin will make his way onto this list. Speaking about him, think it's funny the bandwagons who hopped on his train now. Was getting overlooked by a ton of people on here in the WR discussion. IDC about his comp, every time I've seen the kid go up against real competition, he shows up.

 

[Geo305]

Just took 4 slot receivers in Mullins, jeff Thomas, Harley and deejay dallas in the last 2 classes that are each about 5'10- 5'11.... it would be pretty stupid to take another one this year...

That seems a bit rigid, don't you think? If we take four this year, surely one of them could be under 6'0.

Moore at 5'11 along with three guys in the 6'1 to 6'4 range seems just fine to me.

I'm fine if we take Moore , I like Moore but he's in competition with Xavier Williams and Thompson for that final spot who the coaches are clearly higher on.... Xavier Williams is a beast and you fight to end for him....
Pope
Hightower
Wiggins
Final spot Williams/Thompson or Moore....

Xavier Williams has my vote for that last spot for sure. Would be a really impressive WR haul.

The crop is too top tier heavy to just take 4 this cycle. Find a hard time believing only 4 will be taken this class.

Recruiting is a marathon I will mention. We have a very good chance of flipping Xavier.

 

[The Franchise]

I'm just curious & I really shouldn't bother to play along,but what difference do you see in Mike Harley & elijah moore? I'm only asking because there is virtually no difference between the two. So with that in mind how much longer should the staff continue to placate to a fan base who knows no better? Every year there's always some begging for an offer for a kid who slides in under the radar. Do you really believe with limited numbers and us trying to get back to being a national program that we really should have so many recievers that are virtually the same physical mold especially when that mold is drastically undersized...

You know how you're always telling guys to pay attention to the words you write and to hone up on their comprehension? Stop beating your chest about the fans knowing nothing when pretty much everyone in the country sees Moore as a bigtime WR.

Show me where I'm stumping for Moore anyway. I'm merely railing against the dumb concept of recruiting size at WR over ability at WR.

Just sign the best WRs. If you signed Santana Moss in 2017 you don't turn away Antonio Brown in 2018 because you think you need Aikeem Jolla or Aldarius Johnson.

When coaches start yapping about size as the deciding factor you wind up with Folden scenarios. If the big WR is better than the small WR then take the big one.

P.S. Are you insinuating that Rick took Harley because the fans wanted him? The staff "placated to" the fans on Harley?

P.P.S. Moore is a much better route runner than Harley.

I'm done with this cause I see where this is heading after that whole beating my chest comment. I'm not questioning or insulting anyone. I'm simply letting you know why he isn't an option at this point. The rest is irrelevant to me. I have no point in debating something that is moot. The key in your sentence is ELITE... the reality is the big wr we are after are considered all elite... in the words of ti top shelf homie. Creme de la creme. So what's the problem that should be argued over? No one is saying Moore isn't good. What's said is his stature is what's holding him back. When everyone in the discussion is considered elite it then comes down to preferences... now I'm done beating my chest & stating the obvious. You're dead right though.they should absolutely take Moore so that way we have more ing & moaning set up for the near future of why our whole wr corps looks like bebes kids on roids. Taking it one more thread further we can all cry then(again)about how horrible dugans is and demand his job so we can hire butch Davis to coach wr... about sum that up?

I thought you weren't going to beat your chest or be condescending. Read your last couple sentences. It's a symposium on passive aggressive condescending fvckery. We'll see how it all plays out. I'm guessing Rick isn't dumb enough to base his decisions at WR on size.

You go ahead and line up Leggett, Aldarius, Jolla and Ryan Moore because those are the only guys who can get deep or catch TD passes.

I started off with that outlook and the more I moved on the more it ****ed me off that you were playing this lawyers mind game. They might not realize your actually an intelligent dude but I do. So when you play this game of yours it agitates me because you're simply twisting words that you know aren't being said. Your analogy is great except you keep using trash for the tall example while you use elite for the small. (Possibly exposing your inner napoleon complex I don't know)but it's not accurate all the same. If youre gonna mention elite small recievers than also mention elite tall recievers. They exist you know & in abundance at that.

You're changing the tune from "we can't take any 5'10 or 5'11 guys because we have too many" to "we are taking bigger WRs because they're better than the available smaller WRs." I'm on board with the latter concept.

If the big WRs are better than the small ones then take the big ones. The converse is true too. Just get the best guys.

You act like our WR corps is all midgets when it isn't.

 

[Geo305]

Good point ^^ but all those U mentioned except Thomas are projects. I really like Mullins but it says something that he couldn't sniff the field last season. The question is: can those players be counted towards contributing? We all know that they exist on our roster, but what if they aren't ready to hit the field yet? We are counting projects but let's see who actual hits the field. Dallas isn't polished as a college WR, and what proof do we have that he will contribute at that position when Mullins who specializes at that position couldn't get on the field? U are definitely right about numbers tho.

Ultimately, the staff knows what's up and better than we do, and how they approach these offers and takes will give us a clearer idea of what's going on, but it's fun to blog speculate, that's what the offseason is all about.

Dionte had 2 problems kept him off the field. First it was getting in game ready shape & struggling to learn the playbook. Then he had 2 minor injuries.

This is true.

 

[5XNC]

I'm with franchise here. I never got the whole "size" argument when talking about WRs. Do you want all 5'7 guys? No. But I don't care if they are between 5'10 and 6'2. All the same to me if they are the best.

 

[5XNC]

Now ever guy under 6' is a slot wr?

 

[Geo305]

Elijah Moore is a better WR than Mike Harley. Seen both play in person multiple times.

It is what it is. I'm going to put my trust in this staff of what they envision.

I understand the need to get more size in the WR corps but I'm all about the "get me the most talented guy" boat. Stack chips.

 

[streetja]

Just took 4 slot receivers in Mullins, jeff Thomas, Harley and deejay dallas in the last 2 classes that are each about 5'10- 5'11.... it would be pretty stupid to take another one this year...

That seems a bit rigid, don't you think? If we take four this year, surely one of them could be under 6'0.

Moore at 5'11 along with three guys in the 6'1 to 6'4 range seems just fine to me.

What's with this eugenics program that posters are desperate we institute? Get the best **** players, period.

And like stated before me brock, of the four names you mentioned, three are projects and anything but sure things.

 

[brock]

Just took 4 slot receivers in Mullins, jeff Thomas, Harley and deejay dallas in the last 2 classes that are each about 5'10- 5'11.... it would be pretty stupid to take another one this year...

That seems a bit rigid, don't you think? If we take four this year, surely one of them could be under 6'0.

Moore at 5'11 along with three guys in the 6'1 to 6'4 range seems just fine to me.

What's with this eugenics program that posters are desperate we institute? Get the best **** players, period.

And like stated before me brock, of the four names you mentioned, three are projects and anything but sure things.

2 are for sure far away better than Moore in (Thomas and Mullins). I think Harley will be a great slot receiver. Put your best corner against him and you won't be able to guard him period.. dallas is great with the ball in his hands and can be an offensive weapon

 

[Geo305]

Can any of you guys who have seen Surtain play live a bunch of times comment on his likelihood to play Corner? The little I've seen, he looks like a CB for a very specific defense or a potential star Safety. What's the word on his willingness to play Safety, if at all?

He's actually better at safety from what I've seen in person.

 

[Combo]

Just took 4 slot receivers in Mullins, jeff Thomas, Harley and deejay dallas in the last 2 classes that are each about 5'10- 5'11.... it would be pretty stupid to take another one this year...

That seems a bit rigid, don't you think? If we take four this year, surely one of them could be under 6'0.

Moore at 5'11 along with three guys in the 6'1 to 6'4 range seems just fine to me.

I'm fine if we take Moore , I like Moore but he's in competition with Xavier Williams and Thompson for that final spot who the coaches are clearly higher on.... Xavier Williams is a beast and you fight to end for him....
Pope
Hightower
Wiggins
Final spot Williams/Thompson or Moore....

I wasn't aware Pope and Hightower had committed to us. I know some think we're the favorites for Pope, but anything can happen with these kids. And Williams is committed to Alabama.

Don't tell me you'd have a problem with a class of Pope, Wiggins, Hightower, and Moore.

 

[AtrainCane]

Just took 4 slot receivers in Mullins, jeff Thomas, Harley and deejay dallas in the last 2 classes that are each about 5'10- 5'11.... it would be pretty stupid to take another one this year...

That seems a bit rigid, don't you think? If we take four this year, surely one of them could be under 6'0.

Moore at 5'11 along with three guys in the 6'1 to 6'4 range seems just fine to me.

What's with this eugenics program that posters are desperate we institute? Get the best **** players, period.

And like stated before me brock, of the four names you mentioned, three are projects and anything but sure things.

2 are for sure far away better than Moore in (Thomas and Mullins). I think Harley will be a great slot receiver. Put your best corner against him and you won't be able to guard him period.. dallas is great with the ball in his hands and can be an offensive weapon

Mullins isn't a slot receiver. He's not quick in a short area. He will be better playing outside.

 

[Calinative]

This is why I didn't want Harley last year. Yall were acting like I was crazy when I said I didn't want him. But this is why. He's not going to make a big impact this yr for us. And the 2018 class has about 10 WRs that are better than he is. I been said we should just have taken Thomas, Njoku, and Dallas at WR...it would have been perfect.

But seriously Elijah Moore is probably 7th or lower on our board.
1. Pope
2. Brian Hightower
3. Xavier Williams
4. Dee Wiggins
5. Warren Thompson
6. Jacob Copeland
7. Josh Moore - Elijah Moore - Dominick Watt - Kevin Austin - Jatavious Harris - etc

The top 4 are all guaranteed a spot in this class. The question is if they get all those guys, do they also take a commitment from the next guy on the list if he wants to come here? But the next guy isn't Moore....either of them.

 

[Canes1968]

I'm just curious & I really shouldn't bother to play along,but what difference do you see in Mike Harley & elijah moore? I'm only asking because there is virtually no difference between the two. So with that in mind how much longer should the staff continue to placate to a fan base who knows no better? Every year there's always some begging for an offer for a kid who slides in under the radar. Do you really believe with limited numbers and us trying to get back to being a national program that we really should have so many recievers that are virtually the same physical mold especially when that mold is drastically undersized...

You know how you're always telling guys to pay attention to the words you write and to hone up on their comprehension? Stop beating your chest about the fans knowing nothing when pretty much everyone in the country sees Moore as a bigtime WR.

Show me where I'm stumping for Moore anyway. I'm merely railing against the dumb concept of recruiting size at WR over ability at WR.

Just sign the best WRs. If you signed Santana Moss in 2017 you don't turn away Antonio Brown in 2018 because you think you need Aikeem Jolla or Aldarius Johnson.

When coaches start yapping about size as the deciding factor you wind up with Folden scenarios. If the big WR is better than the small WR then take the big one.

P.S. Are you insinuating that Rick took Harley because the fans wanted him? The staff "placated to" the fans on Harley?

P.P.S. Moore is a much better route runner than Harley.

I'm done with this cause I see where this is heading after that whole beating my chest comment. I'm not questioning or insulting anyone. I'm simply letting you know why he isn't an option at this point. The rest is irrelevant to me. I have no point in debating something that is moot. The key in your sentence is ELITE... the reality is the big wr we are after are considered all elite... in the words of ti top shelf homie. Creme de la creme. So what's the problem that should be argued over? No one is saying Moore isn't good. What's said is his stature is what's holding him back. When everyone in the discussion is considered elite it then comes down to preferences... now I'm done beating my chest & stating the obvious. You're dead right though.they should absolutely take Moore so that way we have more ing & moaning set up for the near future of why our whole wr corps looks like bebes kids on roids. Taking it one more thread further we can all cry then(again)about how horrible dugans is and demand his job so we can hire butch Davis to coach wr... about sum that up?

I thought you weren't going to beat your chest or be condescending. Read your last couple sentences. It's a symposium on passive aggressive condescending fvckery. We'll see how it all plays out. I'm guessing Rick isn't dumb enough to base his decisions at WR on size.

You go ahead and line up Leggett, Aldarius, Jolla and Ryan Moore because those are the only guys who can get deep or catch TD passes.

I started off with that outlook and the more I moved on the more it ****ed me off that you were playing this lawyers mind game. They might not realize your actually an intelligent dude but I do. So when you play this game of yours it agitates me because you're simply twisting words that you know aren't being said. Your analogy is great except you keep using trash for the tall example while you use elite for the small. (Possibly exposing your inner napoleon complex I don't know)but it's not accurate all the same. If youre gonna mention elite small recievers than also mention elite tall recievers. They exist you know & in abundance at that.

Are people seriously arguing with you about something so simple? It really is pretty easy. We have a set number of spots to fill at WR. Richt wants the best WR's possible in those spots. Right now, Moore isn't one of them. Size is probably part of it. All else being equal, I'm going to take the bigger guy 100% of the time. In this particular instance, all else isn't equal. The other WR's we are after are better than Moore, regardless of size differences.

 

[Jassid82]

How Gurvan Hall & Josh Jobe are not in that is a crime.

Surtain is good and well polished but I have always said Campbell was the crown jewel DB prospect on that team.

James Cook is very overrated. Meanwhile Cam & Nayquan & McIntosh out there competing. He'll take a rep and go sit, have not heard good things about his attitude at all.

Kevin Austin will make his way onto this list. Speaking about him, think it's funny the bandwagons who hopped on his train now. Was getting overlooked by a ton of people on here in the WR discussion. IDC about his comp, every time I've seen the kid go up against real competition, he shows up.

I think that 5'11 170 measurement he did at the Orlando Camp I believe it was might have thrown people off about GHall. Most on here were saying he was 6'1 190..Still a definite take. I dont know what to say about Jobe. They are just plain dumb.

Reality is with Cook is that he already has his scholie locked up and his brother is about to sign a 15-20M contract in about 2 months. He's complacent. He's living off rep right now but he better get it in gear because he will have a target on his back when he gets out to the Opening in Oregon. And those kids will make him look foolish pulling that "Fred Astaire" routine he did in that one drill at the Miami Regional.

 

[Ver]

Why do people have Thompson or Wiggins over Austin?

 

[AllbouttheU]

This is why I didn't want Harley last year. Yall were acting like I was crazy when I said I didn't want him. But this is why. He's not going to make a big impact this yr for us. And the 2018 class has about 10 WRs that are better than he is. I been said we should just have taken Thomas, Njoku, and Dallas at WR...it would have been perfect.

But seriously Elijah Moore is probably 7th or lower on our board.
1. Pope
2. Brian Hightower
3. Xavier Williams
4. Dee Wiggins
5. Warren Thompson
6. Jacob Copeland
7. Josh Moore - Elijah Moore - Dominick Watt - Kevin Austin - Jatavious Harris - etc

The top 4 are all guaranteed a spot in this class. The question is if they get all those guys, do they also take a commitment from the next guy on the list if he wants to come here? But the next guy isn't Moore....either of them.

Harley isn't going to make an impact for us this year? Lol what

 

[Miamicane]

Those examples are deftly accurate and relevant because they are of 4* high school WRs recruits with size that UM brought in believe they would be dynamic and they were not. It's the same position U are advocating that your nephew (Hightower) can fill, and this may be root of your argument. His offer is hearing footsteps, but that's cool, just tell him to commit already.

bruh hightower's a top 50 elite talent. guys like him and Pope don't "hear footsteps" - they're the select few who have strongarm power in that they may love miami, but they can choose literally any school in the country. I do respect your opinions from earlier cuz u clearly breakdown film on these kids and your analysis of moore is spot on. but i disagree if you think the staff will pull offer from kids like hightower and pope for not committing a year before NSD.