UM v KSU Game Thread

[gongorad]

storm johnson looked good today. lol

 

[demcanes26]

Judging the guys from Golden's first class which he had 3 weeks to put together in only their second year is a bit much, IMO.

Did you say the same thing about Larry Coker's first recruiting class? Again, I don't have anything against Golden. We are talking about these guys improving.

Rolle, Winslow, and Sean Taylor where all dominant in their second season. We have Chick, Grimble, and Pierre still looking average.

 

[MiamiNites]

Agree D$. Wish he saw some life from someone on the DLine. The DE position is making me nervous, at least at DT we appear to be bringing in the Bostwick, Bryant, Bain. That said young DL rarely are ready to play, especially DTs.

I've been defending D'Onfrio but he just confused the **** out of me today. 6 vs 8 is never going to work so I don't think his scheme was helping anyone today.

You aren't confused you've just been defending ohnofrio for the worng reasons. If you knew what you were watching on game days yu would have started questioning the dc after the maryland game like i did. after the k-state game last year i knew coach d was trash. that's from watching the games.

You think Shannon brought Miami's talent back so I'm not sure if you should trust what you are watching. Go find the 2009 and 2010 defensive recruiting thread and show your face in there.

Players weren't a problem for shannon. he had other coaching issues. I don't care who didn't make it in what recruiting classes. all i care about are the guys that played. the guys that played didn't lack talent or else they wouldnt have amde nfl teams. go look at that 2010 two deep, you know, the guys that played and see how many guys made nfl teams, all acc , got drafted etc.

You can't cry about talent but then you see a bunch of guys making nfl teams. you look dumb. then you take that and compare it to the teams Miami faced. that's aprt of the reason shannon got fired. he underachieved relative to expectation based on players returning from a 9 win team.

Do you understand depth or how you need to recruit to run a program?

Here I'm help you, here 09:

Luther Robinson
Shayon Green
Dyron Dye
RRA
Jamal Reid
Brandon McGee
Curtis Porter
Prince Kent
Olivier Vernon

2010:
Latwan Anderson
Jeffrey Brown
Jimmy Gaines
Delmar Taylor
Kelvin Cain
Keion Payne
David Perry
Travis williams
D'Vonta Davis
Ty Cornilius
Kacy Rodgers
Kevin Nelson
Jeremy Davis.

These should be our Sr and Jrs on defense. And people wonder why we are f'ing awful on defense, look no further. Building talent my ***, that is straight garbage.

meaningless. those players that left out of those classes were replaced. For example. Prince kent was replaced by someone and so on and so forth. That list mean nothing to me. the only thing that matters are the players that play. why keep beinging up latwn anderson when he never came on a football scholly to begin with? How the **** do you build depth with a player who never did anything to begin with? Keyon Payne? WTF did he do? Jeremy Davis WTF did he do here? Those guys are just names on a piece of paper. next year are you going to blame vernon davis for miami's defensive problems? When he was here miami had who starting? after they left he still wasn't in the two deep b/c other players were better. THOSE ARE THE PLAYERS THAT MATTER.

 

[MAGIC CITY CANE]

I think they need to see if Herb Waters and Robert Lockhart can add some playmaking ability on offense. Sounds insane, but I think having Bush and Jenkins on the field at the same time is the best combination at safety. Hopefully in two weeks Seantrell and Porter can both be back and ready for significant playing time. I love Golden, but in addition to having inferior players across the field, they look outcoached almost weekly.

 

[MiamiNites]

Judging the guys from Golden's first class which he had 3 weeks to put together in only their second year is a bit much, IMO.

Did you say the same thing about Larry Coker's first recruiting class? Again, I don't have anything against Golden. We are talking about these guys improving.

Rolle, Winslow, and Sean Taylor where all dominant in their second season. We have Chick, Grimble, and Pierre still looking average.

exactly. tresel, saban carrol atc had even less time and they still managed to bring in impact guys in year 1.

 

[datcaneguy]

RT @DieselCane22 “@Manny_Navarro: #UM coach Golden said defensive system, tackling needs examination after blowout loss at K-State"understatement of the year

 

[Joecane]

Judging the guys from Golden's first class which he had 3 weeks to put together in only their second year is a bit much, IMO.

Did you say the same thing about Larry Coker's first recruiting class? Again, I don't have anything against Golden. We are talking about these guys improving.

Rolle, Winslow, and Sean Taylor where all dominant in their second season. We have Chick, Grimble, and Pierre still looking average.

Holy ******* ****. All I'm going to say.

 

[demcanes26]

LOL@ comparing a 21-22 yr old grown man to an 18 yr old being asked to play more than 10-15 snaps a game. Apples to oranges.

BTW, rDEs and rDTs can certainly struggle in the NFL. Much easier for fast OLBs in a 3-4 scheme to have an impact rushing the QB.

What da **** are you talking about? Did you not see Jenkins and Werner dominate as true sophmores? Did you not see Vince Wilfolk ability as a RFR? What about when Andrew Williams played his first game against Penn State.

Wasn't Calais Campbell dominate in his second season on the field for the Canes? What about Jerome Mcdougle?

Again NFL type talent is usually dominant by their second year.

Weren't Williams and McDougle transfers?

Yes they where. That is not what I am saying. To win a national title you need NFL talent. NFL talent shows up by your second year on campus.

But when you're a transfer, your second year is your 3rd/4th year of college football.

Yes it is, but that isn't what I was saying. I was saying as soon as you are a regular starter, you dominate. Look at Rolle, Vilma, Taylor, Jennings, Werner( from FSU), Marquis Lee, Duke Johnson, etc, etc.

Look how Portis played as a freshman. Dorsey as a true freshman. Look how Reggie Wayne, and Santana Moss played. Do you see anyone of Grimble, Chick, or Pierre being on these guys level.

 

[FenianBastard]

Greg Mark anyone?

 

[demcanes26]

Judging the guys from Golden's first class which he had 3 weeks to put together in only their second year is a bit much, IMO.

Did you say the same thing about Larry Coker's first recruiting class? Again, I don't have anything against Golden. We are talking about these guys improving.

Rolle, Winslow, and Sean Taylor where all dominant in their second season. We have Chick, Grimble, and Pierre still looking average.

Holy ****ing ****. All I'm going to say.

Wish means you have nothing to say.

Again, I just don't see this team as have much talent on the dline. Young or Old. Unless guys like McCord and Holiett become elite level players.

 

[CaneDaddy]

Judging the guys from Golden's first class which he had 3 weeks to put together in only their second year is a bit much, IMO.

Did you say the same thing about Larry Coker's first recruiting class? Again, I don't have anything against Golden. We are talking about these guys improving.

Rolle, Winslow, and Sean Taylor where all dominant in their second season. We have Chick, Grimble, and Pierre still looking average.

Holy ****ing ****. All I'm going to say.

Wish means you have nothing to say.

Again, I just don't see this team as have much talent on the dline. Young or Old. Unless guys like McCord and Holiett become elite level players.

I think it is the fact that you compared Rolle, Winslow, and Taylor to Chick, Grimble and Pierre. Maybe it is talent depletion, maybe it is lack of players, or maybe it is coaching but comparing that group to the other is apples to mangoes.

 

[MiamiNites]

RT @DieselCane22 “@Manny_Navarro: #UM coach Golden said defensive system, tackling needs examination after blowout loss at K-State"understatement of the year

I hope this guy sin't just now seeing this. Chit if i went back and watched the games again i could find many more elemenatry blunders by that fool i'm sure of it.

 

[Joecane]

Judging the guys from Golden's first class which he had 3 weeks to put together in only their second year is a bit much, IMO.

Did you say the same thing about Larry Coker's first recruiting class? Again, I don't have anything against Golden. We are talking about these guys improving.

Rolle, Winslow, and Sean Taylor where all dominant in their second season. We have Chick, Grimble, and Pierre still looking average.

Holy ****ing ****. All I'm going to say.

Wish means you have nothing to say.

Again, I just don't see this team as have much talent on the dline. Young or Old. Unless guys like McCord and Holiett become elite level players.

I think it is the fact that you compared Rolle, Winslow, and Taylor to Chick, Grimble and Pierre. Maybe it is talent depletion, maybe it is lack of players, or maybe it is coaching but comparing that group to the other is apples to mangoes.

Or comparing the circumstances of Coker following Butch to the mess Golden walked into. You gotta be half ******.

 

[demcanes26]

Did you say the same thing about Larry Coker's first recruiting class? Again, I don't have anything against Golden. We are talking about these guys improving.

Rolle, Winslow, and Sean Taylor where all dominant in their second season. We have Chick, Grimble, and Pierre still looking average.

Holy ****ing ****. All I'm going to say.

Wish means you have nothing to say.

Again, I just don't see this team as have much talent on the dline. Young or Old. Unless guys like McCord and Holiett become elite level players.

I think it is the fact that you compared Rolle, Winslow, and Taylor to Chick, Grimble and Pierre. Maybe it is talent depletion, maybe it is lack of players, or maybe it is coaching but comparing that group to the other is apples to mangoes.

Or comparing the circumstances of Coker following Butch to the mess Golden walked into. You gotta be half ******.

What does Coker and Golden circumstances have to do with the development of the players they signed. I mean, are you going to be sitting here in two years talking about how Chickillo should have redshirted, and that is the reason he is a senior, and is still not making any plays?

You are what you are. Chick has been average, while Rolle, Taylor and even Kelly Jennings where great.

I laugh at you cats who get upset when someone call you out on your opinion. It's not like I haven't used facts to support my argument that most elite players are elite level players by their second year.

It doesn't matter if Coker was on staff or not, the coach still picks the player, and most, if not all, of the people was loving stealing Grimble from USC, and seeing Chick win MVP of the Under Armour Game.

 

[CaneDaddy]

Holy ****ing ****. All I'm going to say.

Wish means you have nothing to say.

Again, I just don't see this team as have much talent on the dline. Young or Old. Unless guys like McCord and Holiett become elite level players.

I think it is the fact that you compared Rolle, Winslow, and Taylor to Chick, Grimble and Pierre. Maybe it is talent depletion, maybe it is lack of players, or maybe it is coaching but comparing that group to the other is apples to mangoes.

Or comparing the circumstances of Coker following Butch to the mess Golden walked into. You gotta be half ******.

What does Coker and Golden circumstances have to do with the development of the players they signed. I mean, are you going to be sitting here in two years talking about how Chickillo should have redshirted, and that is the reason he is a senior, and is still not making any plays?

You are what you are. Chick has been average, while Rolle, Taylor and even Kelly Jennings where great.

I laugh at you cats who get upset when someone call you out on your opinion. It's not like I haven't used facts to support my argument that most elite players are elite level players by their second year.

It doesn't matter if Coker was on staff or not, the coach still picks the player, and most, if not all, of the people was loving stealing Grimble from USC, and seeing Chick win MVP of the Under Armour Game.

So what is the end game of your argument? Are you saying Golden and staff have not developed their players into NFL caliber players in the 18 months they have had them? Or the coaches are not good at schemes, etc. You are making points but I dont know what you are trying to say.

 

[jw410]

Dcf L.A. was very out of line in this thread lots of venom.

 

[demcanes26]

Wish means you have nothing to say.

Again, I just don't see this team as have much talent on the dline. Young or Old. Unless guys like McCord and Holiett become elite level players.

I think it is the fact that you compared Rolle, Winslow, and Taylor to Chick, Grimble and Pierre. Maybe it is talent depletion, maybe it is lack of players, or maybe it is coaching but comparing that group to the other is apples to mangoes.

Or comparing the circumstances of Coker following Butch to the mess Golden walked into. You gotta be half ******.

What does Coker and Golden circumstances have to do with the development of the players they signed. I mean, are you going to be sitting here in two years talking about how Chickillo should have redshirted, and that is the reason he is a senior, and is still not making any plays?

You are what you are. Chick has been average, while Rolle, Taylor and even Kelly Jennings where great.

I laugh at you cats who get upset when someone call you out on your opinion. It's not like I haven't used facts to support my argument that most elite players are elite level players by their second year.

It doesn't matter if Coker was on staff or not, the coach still picks the player, and most, if not all, of the people was loving stealing Grimble from USC, and seeing Chick win MVP of the Under Armour Game.

So what is the end game of your argument? Are you saying Golden and staff have not developed their players into NFL caliber players in the 18 months they have had them? Or the coaches are not good at schemes, etc. You are making points but I dont know what you are trying to say.

My argument was a simple one. It's not always on the coaches. I believe that Taylor, Vilma, Rolle, and Jennings where NFL players in high school, and no lack of player development chances that.

I believe that Chick doesn't have the ability to be a dominate player, and waiting another year to see that is foolish.

I believe that Miami's refusal to matchup with other teams personnel will be one of their downfall in the future.

 

[-Blazed-]

Holy ****ing ****. All I'm going to say.

Wish means you have nothing to say.

Again, I just don't see this team as have much talent on the dline. Young or Old. Unless guys like McCord and Holiett become elite level players.

I think it is the fact that you compared Rolle, Winslow, and Taylor to Chick, Grimble and Pierre. Maybe it is talent depletion, maybe it is lack of players, or maybe it is coaching but comparing that group to the other is apples to mangoes.

Or comparing the circumstances of Coker following Butch to the mess Golden walked into. You gotta be half ******.

What does Coker and Golden circumstances have to do with the development of the players they signed. I mean, are you going to be sitting here in two years talking about how Chickillo should have redshirted, and that is the reason he is a senior, and is still not making any plays?

You are what you are. Chick has been average, while Rolle, Taylor and even Kelly Jennings where great.

I laugh at you cats who get upset when someone call you out on your opinion. It's not like I haven't used facts to support my argument that most elite players are elite level players by their second year.

It doesn't matter if Coker was on staff or not, the coach still picks the player, and most, if not all, of the people was loving stealing Grimble from USC, and seeing Chick win MVP of the Under Armour Game.

We were good when Coker got the job idiot. It's easier to recruit when you are good, idiot. We had great depth when we were good, we have none idiot.

 

[demcanes26]

Wish means you have nothing to say.

Again, I just don't see this team as have much talent on the dline. Young or Old. Unless guys like McCord and Holiett become elite level players.

I think it is the fact that you compared Rolle, Winslow, and Taylor to Chick, Grimble and Pierre. Maybe it is talent depletion, maybe it is lack of players, or maybe it is coaching but comparing that group to the other is apples to mangoes.

Or comparing the circumstances of Coker following Butch to the mess Golden walked into. You gotta be half ******.

What does Coker and Golden circumstances have to do with the development of the players they signed. I mean, are you going to be sitting here in two years talking about how Chickillo should have redshirted, and that is the reason he is a senior, and is still not making any plays?

You are what you are. Chick has been average, while Rolle, Taylor and even Kelly Jennings where great.

I laugh at you cats who get upset when someone call you out on your opinion. It's not like I haven't used facts to support my argument that most elite players are elite level players by their second year.

It doesn't matter if Coker was on staff or not, the coach still picks the player, and most, if not all, of the people was loving stealing Grimble from USC, and seeing Chick win MVP of the Under Armour Game.

We were good when Coker got the job idiot. It's easier to recruit when you are good, idiot. We had great depth when we were good, we have none idiot.

I like that you called me an idiot, ***** boy. You still fail to see my point because you are an emotional trick. Miami had better recruiting classes in 2002, 2003, and 2004, then they had in 2001. Maybe they recruited better players in 2001, and that is the reason they where so good.

 

[ScubaCane]

We have no playmakers on D it is impossible to watch.