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ChainCane said:
Anybody have any insight about the medical school. My daughter has to have back surgery and the physician is a grad from UM. Said he was there when they won the 2001 natty.
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A few things:

1) The big wig in this area is/was a Dr. named Barth Green, he is/was one of the best spinal surgeons in the country. He likely would have studied under him, so the training is top notch. The implementation, I don't know, you have to do your research on things like HealthGrades, etc. There's a wealth of information out there to research Drs.

2) Don't ask the slapdicks on this website anything important.
 
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ChainCane said:
Anybody have any insight about the medical school. My daughter has to have back surgery and the physician is a grad from UM. Said he was there when they won the 2001 natty.
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Ask him why the football team hasn’t shown any spine since then.
 
TheMatador said:
Disagree.

While doctors often recommend other doctors whom they know, most physicians do not want to be responsible for referring to a mediocre specialist. Their own reputation is on the line when they make a referral.

If the Orlando Magazine surveys physicians to come up with it's top doctors list, that might be a good start. I would trust that more than patient surveys, although I look at all sources.

All surgeons have had some disappointing outcomes. ALL. There will always be some patients who are unhappy and they blast the doctor in reviews. Hence, such patient reviews are often skewed toward the negative. That's my guess.

Try the Orlando Magazine article:

https://www.orlandomagazine.com/doctors/

Also, two medical people (one a radiologist) told me I'd be better off with a neurosurgeon for routine back surgery (like a fusion) than with an orthopedist. Keep in mind that these two specialties overlap in doing many of the same kind of back surgeries.

Also important: find out how many of the same procedures your daughter will have are performed by the surgeon. I'd rather see 75-100 per year as opposed to 5 or 10. Find a surgeon who has a lot of experience in that type of procedure.

Is she having a fusion?

Medical school is probably almost irrelevant compared to the fellowship, and even that doesn't predict a great surgeon.
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Mr. Matador... your first sentence agrees with what I said. From personal experience my primary physician (and others) will recommend specialists that work together with them with referrals, it's a common everyday thing that they do.... but the part about being responsible for their recommendation is debatable.
As I said the best thing a person needing a specialist or a surgeon can do is do research on their own. The internet is the best way to get started. Board certification is a must, and where they did their residency and their track record, fellowships, memberships, etc.
My wife retired as a Surgery Residency Coordinator at the U, and she's said that the faculty and the administration at UHealth is very picky when it comes to accepting doctors to do their residency here. The U may not be a Johns Hopkins or Harvard but it is respectable and underrated IMO.
The article you attached at the Orlando Magazine seems to be a good source of information for that area.
 
gruntking said:
....From personal experience my primary physician (and others) will recommend specialists that work together with them with referrals, it's a common everyday thing that they do....
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This is my experience. I had to do my own research. My dr’s recommended surgeon botched my surgery. My researched surgeon had to do a corrective surgery. They always refer you to their referral “Buddies” with blind loyalty, at your peril.
 
I’ve dealt with Eismont who was a total prick, not sure how he is surgery wise however. I had a procedure done by Sherman and he was great
 
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I think his daughter is younger than I assumed. I now realize that Nemours might only be a children's hospital, so he is probably locked into the pediatric spine surgeons on staff. I looked at the neurosurgery group at the Orlando Nemours and they do a lot of spine surgery. I'm assuming their orthopedic group has spine specialists as well.

Best thing to do is to ask around, I guess. Research him. Then you look at patient reviews. Find any source of information you can. I have a friend who's a radiologist. He calls surgeons "operators." Maybe that's a term used by doctors, I don't know. That just tells you that surgeons are probably seen as technicians, and the ranking or quality of the surgeon's med school probably has little to do with the technical skills of a surgeon. The quality of the residency or fellowship might have somewhat more correlation.
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Forget or ignore most of what you're being or have been told here. That is for adult patients. I assumed your daughter was probably grown. If your daughter is a child, you probably should be focused on pediatric surgeons.
 
Unsider said:
This is my experience. I had to do my own research. My dr’s recommended surgeon botched my surgery. My researched surgeon had to do a corrective surgery. They always refer you to their referral “Buddies” with blind loyalty, at your peril.
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That's absolutely not true in my experience.
 
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TheMatador said:
That's a big problem with our coaching staff....they don't consult our recruiting forum when deciding on recruiting targets. I used to complain on Grassy that Shannon was ignoring our recruiting board at his own peril.
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In all reality...he should've listened..
 
ChainCane said:
Anybody have any insight about the medical school. My daughter has to have back surgery and the physician is a grad from UM. Said he was there when they won the 2001 natty.
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First off, you need to inquire where they did their surgical residency...likely want at UM. Med Schools teach the same curriculum. Of more value is how the provider is ranked by patients, level of training, expertise, etc. Are they an Ortho provider or Neuro Surgeon? Both work on backs. I'd rather go with a Neuro Surgeon for certain conditions that include radicular symptoms (Radiating nerve pain), nerve impingements, etc. If I was having hand surgery, I would go the Ortho route with a Ortho hand specialists bc that is all they do, work on hands. Again, it depends on many factors as far as who to go with for surgery...the last metric on my list of value would be that they attended UM Med School.
 
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BlastUla said:
People who know:
1) Members of the hospital/practice quality improvement committee.
2) residents who train/work with several different surgeons at an academic institution.

Everyone else (nurses/ techs/ administrators/ instrument reps/ other surgeons/ other doctors) only have a small part
of the story on which to base their opinion of a surgeon (patient comorbidities/ patient selection/ procedure selection/ patient education/ intraoperative acumen/ post operative management/ rehab/ short term outcomes/ complications/ long term outcomes)

If you don’t have access to the two aforementioned sources, check for board certification, trust your instincts about the surgeon, get multiple opinions for elective surgeries, don’t place too much value on a brand or another doctor’s recommendation but stay away from anyone that another doctor hesitates to recommend, even briefly.

Best of luck!
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Thank you and she’s going to Nemours for Scoliosis Surgery In Orlando. i heard that U M had a good medical school but I don’t live down that Way so I was just wondering if anybody down there had any insight on the medical school
 
TheMatador said:
I think his daughter is younger than I assumed. I now realize that Nemours might only be a children's hospital, so he is probably locked into the pediatric spine surgeons on staff. I looked at the neurosurgery group at the Orlando Nemours and they do a lot of spine surgery. I'm assuming their orthopedic group has spine specialists as well.

Best thing to do is to ask around, I guess. Research him. Then you look at patient reviews. Find any source of information you can. I have a friend who's a radiologist. He calls surgeons "operators." Maybe that's a term used by doctors, I don't know. That just tells you that surgeons are probably seen as technicians, and the ranking or quality of the surgeon's med school probably has little to do with the technical skills of a surgeon. The quality of the residency or fellowship might have somewhat more correlation.
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Forget or ignore most of what you're being or have been told here. That is for adult patients. I assumed your daughter was probably grown. If your daughter is a child, you probably should be focused on pediatric surgeons.
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It is a pediatric surgeon for scoliosis
 
Just want to thank you all who replied with a Sensible response. I will take your recommendations seriously and look into his past with the resources you provided. Thank you for the best wishes for my little gir.
 
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