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Yeah, he is twitched up and has rush ability but how will it translate? Thats the question with him. When is the last time we have hit on one of these types? Yeah Brooks has flashed, but he isn’t that guy yet.

Mike Smith? No
De’Andre Wilder? Wasn’t he a full time rusher in HS too? I know he got injured but we didn’t hear much from him even before that unfortunate event.
Terry McCray? Absolutely not
Travis Williams? Psh

I am sure that I am forgetting a name or 2 but you get my point. These stand up rushers that we try to turn into full time LBs has been **** near 0% hit rate. Brooks is the best one but again, he hasn’t done enough to be labeled a “hit” yet, IMO. I’d rather us try to find sure things, or get a proven LB coach in here who won’t waste these kids because I have little faith this kid will buck the recent trend of these types signing with us. Why should I? we can barely develop true full time High School LBs.
 
htownkidd said:
Mike Smith? No
De’Andre Wilder? Wasn’t he a full time rusher in HS too? I know he got injured but we didn’t hear much from him even before that unfortunate event.
Terry McCray? Absolutely not
Travis Williams? Psh
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Those guys failed because they lacked physical tools. They tested as below-average athletes and played like it. The absence of raw talent hurt them much more than any transition to LB.

I'm not saying Tyler is this guy, but here is another South Florida pass rusher with similar movements. Shannon turned him down because he didn't want any more rush-end conversions:

 
I know you are not saying that he will be Shazier, but Shazier was an anomaly lol. Pound for pound, he might’ve been the best athlete in the state that year. He was a first round pick for a reason and was wanted by every school in the country for a reason. He also received elite A+ coaching to get him to reach that level, but that’s a story for another day.

Any testing numbers or anything for this kid? Also was he hurt as a Junior? The JR stats are mediocre is why I ask. Any stats for his Senior season listed anywhere?
 
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htownkidd said:
Any testing numbers or anything for this kid? Also was he hurt as a Junior? The JR stats are mediocre is why I ask. Any stats for his Senior season listed anywhere?
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No testing numbers or camps, which is part of the reason he never blew up. I suspect he would've tested through the roof.

He also missed time as a junior for fighting. He is a former 189-pound wrestler with a temper.
 
htownkidd said:
Got it. I still think we can do better but it is what it is at this point.
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Went back and saw what was said about Brooks earlier this yr during the off season. It was reported he was the “twitchiest” off all the LBs.

U brought out excellent examples, and I’m not sure y this staff won’t recruit true LBs. Rumph gets heat, but our LBing is a mess, too. Brooks is a rush end, not a guy u put in space....hence all that twitch that was reported looks like bull chit.
Tyler is a rush end; I just watched 3:33 of highlights & all of them is of him crowding the L.O.S, going up field or crashing down. He’s using DL moves! So now we’re going to have this kid in open space??

I’ve seen Brooks struggle. I’ve seen his ups & downs. My man should be used like Mack, not like Roquan Smith!
 
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Rellyrell said:
Went back and saw what was said about Brooks earlier this yr during the off season. It was reported he was the “twitchiest” off all the LBs.

U brought out excellent examples, and I’m not sure y this staff won’t recruit true LBs. Rumph gets heat, but our LBing is a mess, too. Brooks is a rush end, not a guy u put in space....hence all that twitch that was reported looks like bull chit.
Tyler is a rush end; I just watched 3:33 of highlights & all of them is of him crowding the L.O.S, going up field or crashing down. He’s using DL moves! So now we’re going to have this kid in open space??

I’ve seen Brooks struggle. I’ve seen his ups & downs. My man should be used like Mack, not like Roquan Smith!
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Brooks is a fair example. I think he was a good take and will be a good player. He played with a bad foot injury this year which slowed him down. But he’s still TBD.

The other guys are bad athletes. McCray ran a 4.92 with a 65 SPARQ. Smith ran a 4.86 with a 72 SPARQ. Wilder weighed 189 pounds with a 79 SPARQ. They failed because they didn’t have that much talent.

Branden Jennings was a high school linebacker. So were Steed and McCloud. Meanwhile, the top LBs in the upcoming draft played DE, WR and QB. It’s a tricky position to project.

Tyler is a take because he’s a strong, quick, mean and explosive athlete. He tosses Armella like a ragdoll. He changes directions. The coaches saw him play LB up-close at camp and loved his movement.

Will he translate? Will he be coached up? All fair questions. But don’t write the guy off just because he played the same high school position as Micah Parsons, Kenneth Murray and Rashaan Evans.
 
The kids that are playing this rush end/buck position in HS typically translate to a college LB with their measurables. It’s harder to find guys in HS that play LB that are twitchy and you can project to be 220-230 pounds.

I agree.. we’re taking a lot of these guys and moving them
Back off the ball and they’re not having a ton of success. Hopefully getting some normalcy in the roster situation and not needing them to contribute day 1 will help their development
 
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Any chance Thomas Davis stays at LB, and Tyler Johnson is a DE?

Not sure if Johnson can get big enough, just wondering. I do know both are twitchy.
 
DMoney said:
Brooks is a fair example. I think he was a good take and will be a good player. He played with a bad foot injury this year which slowed him down. But he’s still TBD.

The other guys are bad athletes. McCray ran a 4.92 with a 65 SPARQ. Smith ran a 4.86 with a 72 SPARQ. Wilder weighed 189 pounds with a 79 SPARQ. They failed because they didn’t have that much talent.

Branden Jennings was a high school linebacker. So were Steed and McCloud. Meanwhile, the top LBs in the upcoming draft played DE, WR and QB. It’s a tricky position to project.

Tyler is a take because he’s a strong, quick, mean and explosive athlete. He tosses Armella like a ragdoll. He changes directions. The coaches saw him play LB up-close at camp and loved his movement.

Will he translate? Will he be coached up? All fair questions. But don’t write the guy off just because he played the same high school position as Micah Parsons, Kenneth Murray and Rashaan Evans.
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You know the answer to that question.

Hopefully he's one of those athletes that can succeed in spite of the coaching.
 
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DMoney said:
Those guys failed because they lacked physical tools. They tested as below-average athletes and played like it. The absence of raw talent hurt them much more than any transition to LB.

I'm not saying Tyler is this guy, but here is another South Florida pass rusher with similar movements. Shannon turned him down because he didn't want any more rush-end conversions:

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Good Lord, I didn't know that. Any coach who watches that tape and says no to an offer should be fired in the spot. What a joke.
 
Yea, hard to compare him to Mike Smith and Terry McCray after watching that tape. Traits are there and he has the bloodlines. These are the types of kids you take a flier on IMO. Get a DC/LB coach in here to coach him up and put him in a position to succeed.
 
Every team in America takes HS edge rushers and makes them stand-up/off the ball LBs

Prince Kollie - ND - HS RB/Edge and he's going to be a MLB or WLB
Zavier Carter - LSU - All he does in HS is rush the passer and he's going to play off the ball for them
Raneiria Dillworth - UNC - Same thing. He may even play the Rover/star at UNC dropping back to more of a S/LB hybid

There are guys that play a traditional LB in HS and have the physical attributes to stay there in college (big enough and can run) but those guys are typically getting swallowed up by Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, LSU, etc and they reside in SEC country. In Georgia, you've got more 300 pound DTs and 245 pound DEs and the guys that are 215 are playing LB already. That's not the case in South Florida.
 
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