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Man folks like to ***** about stuff on here.

Enjoyed the post, Ghost. This is how I prefer to look at recruiting classes as well, as this will be the bulk of your team in 2018 with a few freshmen sprinkled in. Missing a position in one year isn't as bad as it can seem as long as the class before/after it are done right. When you get a two year picture and still see holes, you know you might be in trouble.

Searles and Rumph need to be the hardest working Americans alive in 2016/2017. Both their units and their recruiting classes have miles and miles to go. Get it done.
 
01Canes said:
It's far too generous considering you gave the two-year class grade a B. It should be a full letter grade below that.

Golden's final class was one that's going to set this program back quite a bit and everyone admitted that at the time. More than half the class appeared to be filled with Golden specials. It was a class that lacked Miami speed/athleticism with barely any homegrown studs and an awful blue-chip ratio.

Richt's transition class will actually end up with more blue-chip talent than the 2015 haul. I'm glad it doesn't seem we'll be wasting scholies on non-UM caliber players down the stretch, but losing Byrd and Williams at the 11th hour is a brutal blow at two very thin positions (more so at CB than WR, but still). No sugar coating it.

This has been the worst three-year stretch of CB recruiting imaginable. The OL recruiting has been terrible. DT recruiting continues to be a major problem (I don't include Willis as a recruit). We're going to need to land an elite, top 5, program-changing class in 2017.
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Golden's 2015 class hurts but there is an important upshot: I think the trio of Norton, McIntosh and Willis will be the best group of DTs we've had in years.
 
I also suspect if I had waited until tonight or tomorrow to post this (after the torches have gone out and the pitchforks have been stowed) there might have been a more positive response lol.
 
DMoney said:
Golden's 2015 class hurts but there is an important upshot: I think the trio of Norton, McIntosh and Willis will be the best group of DTs we've had in years.
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I agree. With the exception of cornerback, the 2015 class compliments the 2016 class really pretty well. Need Norton and McIntosh to blossom into their ceiling, and would sure be nice to have Willis for 2 more years and not just 1.
 
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The problem is, it's a line-of-scrimage game and even if the grades are accurate, C's & B's for the OL & DL won't win national championships - heck prob won't even win ACC titles. Even Deon Sanders can't cover a WR for 5 seconds if the pass-rush won't get there and even Aaron Rodgers won't find the open man if he has less than a second to get the ball out?
 
OL scares the crap out of me TBH. DL I think the talent is there, and the coaching should be worlds better. I'm actually genuinely excited to watch our front 7 next year.
 
Nice write up. Regardless of grades, good to look at the two-year haul. Thanks OP.
 
ghost2 said:
I also suspect if I had waited until tonight or tomorrow to post this (after the torches have gone out and the pitchforks have been stowed) there might have been a more positive response lol.
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I know mine wouldn't.

I do wonder how the grades would change on the same players if Golden was still our coach?
 
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Mike James is an NFL back for better or worse. Love that some here are taken aback by the suggestion that Walton may "only" be as good as MJ,who averaged 4 and a half yards a pop here and was a fantastic receiver out of the backfield.
 
ghost2 said:
OL scares the crap out of me TBH. DL I think the talent is there, and the coaching should be worlds better. I'm actually genuinely excited to watch our front 7 next year.
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I think OL just needs a lot of development and condition. There's a least a mix of talent and bodies at the position (sure there's a couple of kids that aren't Miami caliber). I'm scared to death with our CB depth, the numbers aren't great. I wonder if the staff converts Wright over to corner.
 
Tano said:
Mike James is an NFL back for better or worse. Love that some here are taken aback by the suggestion that Walton may "only" be as good as MJ,who averaged 4 and a half yards a pop here and was a fantastic receiver out of the backfield.
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I love me some Mike James - watching him win that GT game for us was sweet. I do think Walton is faster and shiftier than James. But I can see the comparison, and it's certainly not a knock on James at all.
 
DiegoCane said:
ghost2 said:
I also suspect if I had waited until tonight or tomorrow to post this (after the torches have gone out and the pitchforks have been stowed) there might have been a more positive response lol.
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I know mine wouldn't.

I do wonder how the grades would change on the same players if Golden was still our coach?
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For me, I like to think they wouldn't. It's hard sometimes to separate the coach from the class (and the two go hand-in-hand of course) but talent is talent and I think both 2015 and 2016 have some legit Miami talent in them. If you think of a grade of "B" as being "above-average", that's where I think we landed.
 
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ghost2 said:
DiegoCane said:
ghost2 said:
I also suspect if I had waited until tonight or tomorrow to post this (after the torches have gone out and the pitchforks have been stowed) there might have been a more positive response lol.
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I know mine wouldn't.

I do wonder how the grades would change on the same players if Golden was still our coach?
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For me, I like to think they wouldn't. It's hard sometimes to separate the coach from the class (and the two go hand-in-hand of course) but talent is talent and I think both 2015 and 2016 have some legit Miami talent in them. If you think of a grade of "B" as being "above-average", that's where I think we landed.
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Didn't mean to down vote.

I think there is some legit talent there too. Too many misses, reaches, lack of numbers at key positions for it to be a B for me.
 
Tano said:
Considering whom we lost out on at running back, you're being exceptionally generous with that grade.

Mark Walton averaged 3.5 yards per carry on 130 carries. His ceiling is basically Mike James. That's not chopped liver by any stretch, but it's not elite by any stretch either.
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I wouldn't put Mark Walton in such a box after only his freshman year with such a terrible run blocking offensive line. Very unfair
 
While I would drop a few of rose letter grades, I think OPs mindset is correct. Judge the class on who you DID get, not who you didn't.
 
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Gibyaj said:
Tano said:
Considering whom we lost out on at running back, you're being exceptionally generous with that grade.

Mark Walton averaged 3.5 yards per carry on 130 carries. His ceiling is basically Mike James. That's not chopped liver by any stretch, but it's not elite by any stretch either.
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I wouldn't put Mark Walton in such a box after only his freshman year with such a terrible run blocking offensive line. Very unfair
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Just because some are fans, does not make them knowledgeable about the intricacies of the game. Football is a remains a team sport, not just a one man gang.
 
TheSwagger1 said:
DMoney said:
Golden's 2015 class hurts but there is an important upshot: I think the trio of Norton, McIntosh and Willis will be the best group of DTs we've had in years.
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I agree. With the exception of cornerback, the 2015 class compliments the 2016 class really pretty well. Need Norton and McIntosh to blossom into their ceiling, and would sure be nice to have Willis for 2 more years and not just 1.
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complements
 
OL is by far the biggest weakness on the team. We need quality and quantity! At least in the other spots, we may not have quantity but we do have quality...
 
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