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OrangeBowlMagic said:
You're probably right, but how does firing Manny today change any of this? You're not hiring anyone until after the season. Kids are still going to decommit. So I really don't see the benefit other than making some public stance, which I'm not sure the folks in charge care much about making.
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So when do you propose firing a coach that recruits know won't be around for the long-term (or really in Manny's case, the short-term)?
 
orange&green84 said:
So when do you propose firing a coach that recruits know won't be around for the long-term (or really in Manny's case, the short-term)?
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I don't think there's a "right" or easy way to do this. It's going to get much worse before it gets better whether you fire him yesterday, or after the season. My question was, "How does firing Manny today change any of this?" The answer is, it does not. We're going to have to pull our pants down and grab our ankles on the trail this cycle no matter what.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I don't think there's a "right" or easy way to do this. It's going to get much worse before it gets better whether you fire him yesterday, or after the season. My question was, "How does firing Manny today change any of this?" The answer is, it does not. We're going to have to pull our pants down and grab our ankles on the trail this cycle no matter what.
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Depends on how you look at it, for recruits, it lets them know early on that there'll be a change. If Manny is held on, there's that glimmer of chance that he sticks around offseason; and that's what's really bad, because kids know his firing will be done eventually, so then they go with option B. I'm not surprising ***an decommitted, I'm surprised it took anyone this long to decommit.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Y'all want to fire the entire athletic department (and I can't really argue against it). Well, this is what happens when you do. Remember, firing coaches in 2021 is more painful than it was in the past due to ESD. You used to be able to fire a coach after Thanksgiving and hire someone in December and salvage a class. All the timing is now moved up. So, firing Manny and everyone else and not hiring a new coach until December/January essentially kills an entire class.
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Nah. Actually this is what happens when your team sucks... These kids committed to trob and DVD because they bought into off-season Manny and his hype. Well our reality is once the season starts he's no longer off-season Manny he immediately becomes Mandy. The pariah off acc football & the boon of the south... That's why kids decommit first and foremost. The staff change actually brings hope where otherwise there is lil to none...
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Y'all want to fire the entire athletic department (and I can't really argue against it). Well, this is what happens when you do. Remember, firing coaches in 2021 is more painful than it was in the past due to ESD. You used to be able to fire a coach after Thanksgiving and hire someone in December and salvage a class. All the timing is now moved up. So, firing Manny and everyone else and not hiring a new coach until December/January essentially kills an entire class.
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I think you have a sequencing problem here. No coaches have been fired. The AD still has his job. And yet, a decommitment. While I understand your greater point (i.e., that ESD has made coach firings more punitive on recruiting in the short term), the fact is this recruit left before anyone was fired.

What does that tell me? It tells me the street is already acting like Manny is gone (Tom Hanks might as well be escorting him around the hallways of the Hecht). If recruits are already acting like Manny's fired, what difference does it make?

Cut the cord and move on. Get a jump on 2022. Let coaches know the job is open. Let recruits know you're serious about hiring a quality coach and see if they'll push their decisions to February. Either way, it looks like they're already starting to act as if.
 
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You can’t recruit in SEC territory & play like chit. It’s hard to keep the locals when u play like chit; it’s going to be really hard to get blue chip outta towners to stay committed.

This is y I never get too excited about pre-season commits, b/c if u chit the bed, it can spell disaster.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
I don't think there's a "right" or easy way to do this. It's going to get much worse before it gets better whether you fire him yesterday, or after the season. My question was, "How does firing Manny today change any of this?" The answer is, it does not. We're going to have to pull our pants down and grab our ankles on the trail this cycle no matter what.
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this I agree w. you fire Manny today, no recruit would know if DVD/Simpson/Field/Trob will be retained as we won't be naming a coach till likely after ESD anyways. no coach is gonna interview till the reg season ends either. were gonna be waiting till the end of the year no matter what
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I don't think there's a "right" or easy way to do this. It's going to get much worse before it gets better whether you fire him yesterday, or after the season. My question was, "How does firing Manny today change any of this?" The answer is, it does not. We're going to have to pull our pants down and grab our ankles on the trail this cycle no matter what.
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You're not wrong but it seems to come down to prolonging the inevitable... At this point just tear down the house and start the rebuild now... Yes it's gonna suck but it's gonna suck regardless...
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
I think you have a sequencing problem here. No coaches have been fired. The AD still has his job. And yet, a decommitment. While I understand your greater point (i.e., that ESD has made coach firings more punitive on recruiting in the short term), the fact is this recruit left before anyone was fired.

What does that tell me? It tells me the street is already acting like Manny is gone (Tom Hanks might as well be escorting him around the hallways of the Hecht). If recruits are already acting like Manny's fired, what difference does it make?

Cut the cord and move on. Get a jump on 2022. Let coaches know the job is open. Let recruits know you're serious about hiring a quality coach and see if they'll push their decisions to February. Either way, it looks like they're already starting to act as if.
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lol coaches know the job is open. the issue is no one is gonna interview and take a job before their own seasons are done. recruits don't know who will be hired bc you won't be interviewing nd hiring till after ESD nd you won't be filling out your staff till well after that. the recruiting this cycle is gonna be a waste no matter what.
 
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hoops156 said:
this I agree w. you fire Manny today, no recruit would know if DVD/Simpson/Field/Trob will be retained as we won't be naming a coach till likely after ESD anyways. no coach is gonna interview till the reg season ends either. were gonna be waiting till the end of the year no matter what
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Right now no recruit whether committed or not knows who's gonna be here by years end...
 
SBERG said:
You're not wrong but it seems to come down to prolonging the inevitable... At this point just tear down the house and start the rebuild now... Yes it's gonna suck but it's gonna suck regardless...
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his point is that Manny will be gone regardless. the timing doesn't matter at any point now until the last game bc Mario isn't gonna be interviewing till his seaoson is over and he won't be taking the job till after the Oregon bowl if they're in a playoff.
 
SBERG said:
Right now no recruit whether committed or not knows who's gonna be here by years end...
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that's the point. we all know the HC is gonna be fired. the guys who are recruiting them are the staffers who will be job hunting too. a new guy brings in his own people.

from Barrys tweets, it looks timing really just depends on UMs last game to save money (if it means they can use that excuse to pay up for Mario then im good with it vs oh we don't have it bc we had to pay Manny more to go away).
 
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