Travis Rudolph....

[sebastian91]

F$U is the hot ticket right now, and a lot of these kids are bandwagoneers. It'll always be that way.

 

[japancane]

F$U is the hot ticket right now, and a lot of these kids are bandwagoneers. It'll always be that way.

we still have to compete with them. They have more talent than we do- great that we are stacking talent, but hard to make up the gap when so many good kids are choosing them over us

 

[Consigliere]

the biggest problem is not missing on these kids, its missing on these kids and then they go to FSU.

Pretty hard to catch up in talent when arguably some of the best players in-state may go to FSU. If they go to Bama or UF, it sucks, but whatever. But to go to FSU really hurts

I understand what you are saying but all we can do is get ours and maximize the talent we bring into Miami. In general you lose a kid, you likely don't have any power on him going to another school (i.e. to FSU). It sucks but there is no second place in recruiting and when you compete for the best talent this is what happens.

 

[sebastian91]

F$U is the hot ticket right now, and a lot of these kids are bandwagoneers. It'll always be that way.

we still have to compete with them. They have more talent than we do- great that we are stacking talent, but hard to make up the gap when so many good kids are choosing them over us

That's nothing new. F$U has pretty much always had better 'paper' recruiting classes than us.

 

[cowboycane]

F$U is the hot ticket right now, and a lot of these kids are bandwagoneers. It'll always be that way.

we still have to compete with them. They have more talent than we do- great that we are stacking talent, but hard to make up the gap when so many good kids are choosing them over us

That's nothing new. F$U has pretty much always had better 'paper' recruiting classes than us.

THIS. Look at your history people. They've been saying FSU was taking over Dade recruiting since the days of Bowden. This ain't new. It's about developing the guys we DO get, because there are enough studs down here that we are always going to miss some. And THAT is inarguable.

 

[japancane]

F$U is the hot ticket right now, and a lot of these kids are bandwagoneers. It'll always be that way.

we still have to compete with them. They have more talent than we do- great that we are stacking talent, but hard to make up the gap when so many good kids are choosing them over us

That's nothing new. F$U has pretty much always had better 'paper' recruiting classes than us.

THIS. Look at your history people. They've been saying FSU was taking over Dade recruiting since the days of Bowden. This ain't new. It's about developing the guys we DO get, because there are enough studs down here that we are always going to miss some. And THAT is inarguable.

thats the past. There's no doubt they have more talent than we do and they're probably adding 3 or 4 kids that we desperately want. Hard to close the gap this way

 

[eliteproxy]

tehre have been only 3 great coaches in Miami

Schnellenberger
Jimmy Johnson
Butch Davis

all of them were about developing players vs recruiting 5 stars. (it doesn't hurt to get the occasional 5 star here and there).

Golden has 1 more year to prove who he is and his #1 test is not recruiting...its fixing the D.

 

[sebastian91]

F$U is the hot ticket right now, and a lot of these kids are bandwagoneers. It'll always be that way.

we still have to compete with them. They have more talent than we do- great that we are stacking talent, but hard to make up the gap when so many good kids are choosing them over us

That's nothing new. F$U has pretty much always had better 'paper' recruiting classes than us.

THIS. Look at your history people. They've been saying FSU was taking over Dade recruiting since the days of Bowden. This ain't new. It's about developing the guys we DO get, because there are enough studs down here that we are always going to miss some. And THAT is inarguable.

thats the past. There's no doubt they have more talent than we do and they're probably adding 3 or 4 kids that we desperately want. Hard to close the gap this way

Yes, it is the past...and present...and future. Get used to it.

 

[gongorad]

if Benjamin/greene bolt for the pros i'll lose all faith in getting lane/Rudolph.

 

[cowboycane]

F$U is the hot ticket right now, and a lot of these kids are bandwagoneers. It'll always be that way.

we still have to compete with them. They have more talent than we do- great that we are stacking talent, but hard to make up the gap when so many good kids are choosing them over us

That's nothing new. F$U has pretty much always had better 'paper' recruiting classes than us.

THIS. Look at your history people. They've been saying FSU was taking over Dade recruiting since the days of Bowden. This ain't new. It's about developing the guys we DO get, because there are enough studs down here that we are always going to miss some. And THAT is inarguable.

thats the past. There's no doubt they have more talent than we do and they're probably adding 3 or 4 kids that we desperately want. Hard to close the gap this way

You don't think the same exact things were being said when FSU was getting their usual assortment of 5 star guys and we were signing Ed Reed and Dan Morgan, neither of whom anyone had ever heard of?

We want Cook and Lane and everyone else, but getting them is not the difference between us closing the talent gap, because we are recruiting plenty of talent too. As someone else said, it is about developing the players and solving the problems ON THE FIELD.

 

[sebastian91]

tehre have been only 3 great coaches in Miami

Schnellenberger
Jimmy Johnson
Butch Davis

all of them were about developing players vs recruiting 5 stars. (it doesn't hurt to get the occasional 5 star here and there).

Golden has 1 more year to prove who he is and his #1 test is not recruiting...its fixing the D.

Agree with the general premise of this, but I doubt AG has only "1 more year". Whatever # test recruiting was, I think he's passed that one, and he's also passed most of the others. The D is definitely the biggest immediate test (no one wants to hear it, but the offense is a test as well), but the longer term competitiveness and viability of the program is easily the #1 test. He has to get the program to the point where it's in the national discussion week in and out, playing in BCS games becomes the norm...and he has to keep the players out of trouble and graduating.

 

[eliteproxy]

tehre have been only 3 great coaches in Miami

Schnellenberger
Jimmy Johnson
Butch Davis

all of them were about developing players vs recruiting 5 stars. (it doesn't hurt to get the occasional 5 star here and there).

Golden has 1 more year to prove who he is and his #1 test is not recruiting...its fixing the D.

Agree with the general premise of this, but I doubt AG has only "1 more year". Whatever # test recruiting was, I think he's passed that one, and he's also passed most of the others. The D is definitely the biggest immediate test (no one wants to hear it, but the offense is a test as well), but the longer term competitiveness and viability of the program is easily the #1 test. He has to get the program to the point where it's in the national discussion week in and out, playing in BCS games becomes the norm...and he has to keep the players out of trouble and graduating.

what i was saying is he has 1 year to prove that he is handling the D, i don't mean he has to have a top 10 D but making efforts towards it (replacing a coach, developing players, changing strategy etc)

I am one of the realists here that thinks it will take longer then anticipated to become a top team and we are starting from scratch. People do not understand what Shannon did before and after he left that crippled our recruiting here in Miami. He burned bridges while he was here and burned the remaining bridges when he left.

beating Bridgewater will be a HUGE turning point for us for many reasons.

 

[cowboycane]

tehre have been only 3 great coaches in Miami

Schnellenberger
Jimmy Johnson
Butch Davis

all of them were about developing players vs recruiting 5 stars. (it doesn't hurt to get the occasional 5 star here and there).

Golden has 1 more year to prove who he is and his #1 test is not recruiting...its fixing the D.

Agree with the general premise of this, but I doubt AG has only "1 more year". Whatever # test recruiting was, I think he's passed that one, and he's also passed most of the others. The D is definitely the biggest immediate test (no one wants to hear it, but the offense is a test as well), but the longer term competitiveness and viability of the program is easily the #1 test. He has to get the program to the point where it's in the national discussion week in and out, playing in BCS games becomes the norm...and he has to keep the players out of trouble and graduating.

what i was saying is he has 1 year to prove that he is handling the D, i don't mean he has to have a top 10 D but making efforts towards it (replacing a coach, developing players, changing strategy etc)

I am one of the realists here that thinks it will take longer then anticipated to become a top team and we are starting from scratch. People do not understand what Shannon did before and after he left that crippled our recruiting here in Miami. He burned bridges while he was here and burned the remaining bridges when he left.

beating Bridgewater will be a HUGE turning point for us for many reasons.

Heresy. Nashinul tidal or bust every year!!

 

[Canes_]

we still have to compete with them. They have more talent than we do- great that we are stacking talent, but hard to make up the gap when so many good kids are choosing them over us

That's nothing new. F$U has pretty much always had better 'paper' recruiting classes than us.

THIS. Look at your history people. They've been saying FSU was taking over Dade recruiting since the days of Bowden. This ain't new. It's about developing the guys we DO get, because there are enough studs down here that we are always going to miss some. And THAT is inarguable.

thats the past. There's no doubt they have more talent than we do and they're probably adding 3 or 4 kids that we desperately want. Hard to close the gap this way

You don't think the same exact things were being said when FSU was getting their usual assortment of 5 star guys and we were signing Ed Reed and Dan Morgan, neither of whom anyone had ever heard of?

We want Cook and Lane and everyone else, but getting them is not the difference between us closing the talent gap, because we are recruiting plenty of talent too. As someone else said, it is about developing the players and solving the problems ON THE FIELD.

ofcourse getting Cook makes a big difference in closing the gap. We need a lot more guys like him if we want to compete for a title. We only have two big time guys on offense (Duke, Coley) and guys like Cook and Rudolph potentially add to that. Remember we didn't "need" Coley as we had talent at WR, but we all saw the result this year. Coley at FSU would have been a disaster, Cook going there is pretty similar.

FSU has always recruited well but they are now developing their kids. We'll need to start out-recruiting them if we want to beat them on the field.

 

[sebastian91]

SMH. Some folks just don't get it.

 

[The Franchise]

F$U is the hot ticket right now, and a lot of these kids are bandwagoneers. It'll always be that way.

we still have to compete with them. They have more talent than we do- great that we are stacking talent, but hard to make up the gap when so many good kids are choosing them over us

That's nothing new. F$U has pretty much always had better 'paper' recruiting classes than us.

THIS. Look at your history people. They've been saying FSU was taking over Dade recruiting since the days of Bowden. This ain't new. It's about developing the guys we DO get, because there are enough studs down here that we are always going to miss some. And THAT is inarguable.

You're living in the past. There aren't that many "sleepers" like there used to be in the Bowden/Butch Davis days because of the internet. Reggie Wayne wouldn't slip through the cracks today. He'd be at LSU. Same with Ed Reed.

And where's the proof that we're developing players better than Jizzbo and fsu? We aren't outcoaching them on gameday, and there's no evidence that we're out-developing them either. So, we **** sure better out-recruit them, or we'll continue to be their bytch.

 

[sebastian91]

And where's the proof that we're developing players better than Jizzbo and fsu? We aren't outcoaching them on gameday, and there's no evidence that we're out-developing them either. So, we **** sure better out-recruit them, or we'll continue to be their bytch.

Huh? He didn't say anything even remotely like that.

 

[Loafers]

F$U is the hot ticket right now, and a lot of these kids are bandwagoneers. It'll always be that way.

we still have to compete with them. They have more talent than we do- great that we are stacking talent, but hard to make up the gap when so many good kids are choosing them over us

That's nothing new. F$U has pretty much always had better 'paper' recruiting classes than us.

THIS. Look at your history people. They've been saying FSU was taking over Dade recruiting since the days of Bowden. This ain't new. It's about developing the guys we DO get, because there are enough studs down here that we are always going to miss some. And THAT is inarguable.

You're living in the past. There aren't that many "sleepers" like there used to be in the Bowden/Butch Davis days because of the internet. Reggie Wayne wouldn't slip through the cracks today. He'd be at LSU. Same with Ed Reed.

And where's the proof that we're developing players better than Jizzbo and fsu? We aren't outcoaching them on gameday, and there's no evidence that we're out-developing them either. So, we **** sure better out-recruit them, or we'll continue to be their bytch.

Right no sleepers. Who was the #1 pick last year? You ever heard of him? He was a 2 star. That LB Mack from Buffalo is projected top 10. Some have Bortles as a top 10 pick at UCF. There are still plenty of under the radar kids. Plus its not about trying to find some complete unknown, it is about finding the right 3*prospects that might be underrated by the so called recruiting experts. johnny manziel was a 3* nobody that Texas didnt want. Look at him now. Driskell was #1 that year.

 

[bobbydigius]

we still have to compete with them. They have more talent than we do- great that we are stacking talent, but hard to make up the gap when so many good kids are choosing them over us

That's nothing new. F$U has pretty much always had better 'paper' recruiting classes than us.

THIS. Look at your history people. They've been saying FSU was taking over Dade recruiting since the days of Bowden. This ain't new. It's about developing the guys we DO get, because there are enough studs down here that we are always going to miss some. And THAT is inarguable.

You're living in the past. There aren't that many "sleepers" like there used to be in the Bowden/Butch Davis days because of the internet. Reggie Wayne wouldn't slip through the cracks today. He'd be at LSU. Same with Ed Reed.

And where's the proof that we're developing players better than Jizzbo and fsu? We aren't outcoaching them on gameday, and there's no evidence that we're out-developing them either. So, we **** sure better out-recruit them, or we'll continue to be their bytch.

Right no sleepers. Who was the #1 pick last year? You ever heard of him? He was a 2 star. That LB Mack from Buffalo is projected top 10. Some have Bortles as a top 10 pick at UCF. There are still plenty of under the radar kids. Plus its not about trying to find some complete unknown, it is about finding the right 3*prospects that might be underrated by the so called recruiting experts. johnny manziel was a 3* nobody that Texas didnt want. Look at him now. Driskell was #1 that year.

Always will be but one can't just build a contender off those kids anymore. Look VT is the prime example of a program that does the most with what they have, and they never crack that ceiling of being elite. Always good to very good but never elite. On top of that, with Al being here for two full recruiting cycles, how many of his camp kids that were under the radar kids have shown that much promise?

 

[sebastian91]

I don't think you would really expect under the radar "camp kids" to show much promise as freshmen and redshirt freshmen. It seems to me that these are the kinds of kids, by definition really, who need the benefit of redshirting, UTough, developing, etc.