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I saw a RT from Bruce Feldman and wanted to share. Last 5 years of high school players star ratings from rivals.

Alabama
2-star 1
3-star 40
4-star 70
5-star 15
126
Baylor
Unrated 1
2-star 23
3-star 78
4-star 14
5-star 0
116
Florida State
2-star 4
3-star 49
4-star 50
5-star 11
114
Ohio State
2-star 3
3-star 45
4-star 62
5-star 7
117
Source: rivals.com

For the ppl who say "we have talent" let those numbers sink in for Bama, FSU and OSU.
Bama has 85 players who were 4* or 5*, which is **** near our entire roster count.

Over that same time span using rivals. We have 34-4* and 4-5*
If our current class hold. We have 11-4* committed which is **** near 1/3 of the amount of 4* players we gotten the last 5 years.

I don't think this team should ever lose to Duke, I don't think we should have given up 500 yards to VaTech. But ppl need to take the blinders off if they think we have all of these amazing players because currently we don't. Let this last thought sink in. In Al golden's "First" recruiting class. The two best prospects were Anthony Chickillo and Jalen Grimble. I got alot of love for G3 but that should tell you all you need to know right there.
 
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Appreciate the post, but people that argue that we do have talent aren't saying we stack up to Bama/FSU/OSU yet, but are saying we have plenty to beat Duke/VT/Wake/UNC
 
JHallCanes said:
Appreciate the post, but people that argue that we do have talent aren't saying we stack up to Bama/FSU/OSU yet, but are saying we have plenty to beat Duke/VT/Wake/UNC
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I agree with you. That's why I said we should never lose to any of those teams outside of VaTech, and currently UNC (is a toss up) they have some hold over talent left.

losing or having close games (or even being blown out) by any of those teams is a huge disappointment. But to think that we should be blowing these teams out of the water. Isn't a valid assessment of the teams current state.
 
JHallCanes said:
Appreciate the post, but people that argue that we do have talent aren't saying we stack up to Bama/FSU/OSU yet, but are saying we have plenty to beat Duke/VT/Wake/UNC
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I agree. We had enough talent to beat Duke and VT in 2013. While I think our talent will improve over time (2012 gets older and we bring in the 2014 class) we will continue to see the same issues that will level the playing field.

So with better talent our defensive issues may be MASKED but they will still be there IMO.
 
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Ain't nobody here expecting us to beat Alabama, FSU or Ohio State though. How about you compare our classes to VT and Duke.
 
WildcatDefense said:
Ain't nobody here expecting us to beat Alabama, FSU or Ohio State though. How about you compare our classes to VT and Duke.
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Yep if you do it for this set of schools, do it for the others as well. Regardless if people "know" are not. See the excuse machine slowly churning back up to deflect blame away frongolden and diarrhea dorito ******* pathetic. DORITO HELPED TO PRODUCE HE WORST DEFENSE IN UM HISTORY LAST YEAR, and Golden allowed him to keep his ******* job. Yet people want to STILL trot out excuses for both these *****. UNBELEIVABLE.
 
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WildcatDefense said:
Ain't nobody here expecting us to beat Alabama, FSU or Ohio State though. How about you compare our classes to VT and Duke.
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VaTech has 24-4* and 1-5*

Not going to waste my time with Duke...once again unacceptable loses. But those numbers also don't factor in attrition. Guys like Grimble, J. Reid, D. Griffin (isnt even here yet, if ever). Are included in the count. So even though we've received LOI from 34-4* the number of players who are still on the team and/or contributing is much lower. The point of this post is to show that let's say only 1/3 of your recruits pan out. Those top teams are still fielding high calibers teams. If you reduce our number your are looking at 11 or so high quality guys. if that.

Once again no excuse for losing to DUke and getting blown out by VATech who barely scored 21 the next week. But we are the definition of Middle of the road. We have a few game breakers and mostly fill ins, with a DC who has to play with loaded deck to have a chance.
 
this is pointless, nobody was upset that FSU beat us and your argument doesn't hold weight with the losses people are ****ed about (Duke and VA tech). over that same time frame, we've had 2 more 5* and 9 more 4*. in fact over VT has only had more than 5 4* once (2012), we've had more that 5 ever year except one (2011 when Golden got hired late).

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make

67% of Baylor's team the last 5 years have been 3*, so i guess good coaching and a good scheme/gameplan is pretty important too. Notice that all 4 of those teams have pretty good coaches
 
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Consigliere said:
JHallCanes said:
Appreciate the post, but people that argue that we do have talent aren't saying we stack up to Bama/FSU/OSU yet, but are saying we have plenty to beat Duke/VT/Wake/UNC
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I agree. We had enough talent to beat Duke and VT in 2013. While I think our talent will improve over time (2012 gets older and we bring in the 2014 class) we will continue to see the same issues that will level the playing field.

So with better talent our defensive issues may be MASKED but they will still be there IMO.
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Considering our NCAA issues, and on field problems, our recruiting classes have been very very good IMO. This 2014 class could be program changing. The talent is coming along but you still need legit upperclassmen if you want to be strong throughout the season, and we haven't had that type of leadership in a long long time.

There is some merit to the talent excuse for sure, but it's only a part of the problem right now,
 
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JHallCanes said:
Consigliere said:
JHallCanes said:
Appreciate the post, but people that argue that we do have talent aren't saying we stack up to Bama/FSU/OSU yet, but are saying we have plenty to beat Duke/VT/Wake/UNC
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I agree. We had enough talent to beat Duke and VT in 2013. While I think our talent will improve over time (2012 gets older and we bring in the 2014 class) we will continue to see the same issues that will level the playing field.

So with better talent our defensive issues may be MASKED but they will still be there IMO.
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Considering our NCAA issues, and on field problems, our recruiting classes have been very very good IMO. This 2014 class could be program changing. The talent is coming along but you still need legit upperclassmen if you want to be strong throughout the season, and we haven't had that type of leadership in a long long time.

There is some merit to the talent excuse for sure, but it's only a part of the problem right now,
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I agree with everything you just said.

I actually am not worried about recruiting under Al. While I think we could certainty use another DT or S for the most part I am happy. Coaching them is a completely different issue but at least he is bringing in big kids to the program. But in College Football I don't think you can rely solely on recruiting...it is only half the battle.

I am glad that we have the following in place for next season (it doesn't matter though if we get new coaches on D)

QB: Olsen and Kayaa
RB: Johnson, Edwards, Yearby and Powell
WR: Coley, Langhem, Berrios and Griffin
OL: Flowers, Gall, Knighton, Isadora, McDermott, Gibbons and Darling
TE: Sandland (I like the kid but we need work overall)

DT: Wyche, Valentine, Jenkins and Moten (took him 3 years to get here)
DE: AQM, Thomas, Harris and Jackson
LB: McCord, Figs, Kirby, C. Thomas, M. Smith, J. Young, McCray, D. Owens
CB: Howard, Gunter, Crawford, Burns and Bethel
S: Bush, Jenkins, Carter and Mayes

Ath: Gray
 
I would say our talent is probably on PAR with with VTs currently.. also, talent does matter, but there's something to be said for the continuity that VT has had and their ability to bring in guys that fit their system and play well within that system, especially defensively. VT can takes those lower ranked guys and have success because they fit into their system, and what they're trying to do. Which is what Al is trying to do with his system, but that's not going to happen overnight.
 
Does our talent stack up against Bama, FSU or OSU? No. And nobody is claiming that. Does our talent stack up against UNC, GT, Wake,Duke, VT and UVA over the past 3 years. Yes.

Do our coaches stack up against anyone?. **** no. Gerry Faust would be accused of running up the score on this staff.

Case closed.
 
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VinnDogg said:
Does our talent stack up against Bama, FSU or OSU? No. And nobody is claiming that. Does our talent stack up against UNC, GT, Wake,Duke, VT and UVA over the past 3 years. Yes.

Do our coaches stack up against anyone?. **** no. Gerry Faust would be accused of running up the score on this staff.

Case closed.
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How many games do you think Jimbo would have lost this year with our talent? I say 4. No right or wrong answer, just food for thought.
 
Yea but we aren't expecting to beat those teams, just beat VT, Duke, Virginia, etc who we have always out-recruited.

Also, isn't a lot of this on Golden? Why does he get a pass for terrible recruiting at certain positions (DT, S)? We've brought in good talent elsewhere, did the NCAA investigation not apply to CB's and WR's?
 
umhurricano said:
VinnDogg said:
Does our talent stack up against Bama, FSU or OSU? No. And nobody is claiming that. Does our talent stack up against UNC, GT, Wake,Duke, VT and UVA over the past 3 years. Yes.

Do our coaches stack up against anyone?. **** no. Gerry Faust would be accused of running up the score on this staff.

Case closed.
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How many games do you think Jimbo would have lost this year with our talent? I say 4. No right or wrong answer, just food for thought.
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Can't look at it that way. I would say that in year 3 Jimbo would have the team playing better. In fact, I think 95% of the coaches in the country would see some tangible improvements by year 3 with the same squad we have. Our staff is just awful at developing players. The facts speak for themselves, so no need for opinions at this point.
 
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