Time to Rethink Recruiting at Miami

[hurricane94]

Bring me a guy from the air raid coaching tree they seem to have success no matter where they go.

 

[hurricane94]

that doesnt work here never has never will, we shouldnt change our identity

Wat is our identity fam because in the 15 years I don’t know what it is anymore

 

[DemCanesByke]

No we need to lock down south florida. I hope our next coach is a lock down recruiter. If we had Cristobal or Butch we would be locking down SoFla

Not without bags. My college roommate coaches basketball in college and says everyone in florida is looking for a handout $$$ and he is at a lower tier D1 school.

 

[NVA CANE]

that doesnt work here never has never will, we shouldnt change our identity

What you mean? The type of offense we run?

 

[canes732]

I think you're wrong we cant compete until we can flat out drop bags like the big bad $EC I believe that is the only way. Richt was considered a "great" recruiter bc he was able to drop the bags and that ultimately is the reason he built what he built

 

[Barboni]

Our coaches can fly around and recruit players dummy. When talking resources its about outright benefits for players. LOL at being scared of the NCAA. Either pay players and become relevant and potentially get caught and get the death penalty, or simply die a slow irrelevant death because you're afraid the NCAA is going to come after you. The end result is the same. Thats what dumb *** fans like yourself haven't realized yet. The NCAA no longer matters.

At least half of our highest rated recruits from the last 2 cycles were from outside of SFL, with most being from out of state. As of now, our best recruit from this cycle is from...out side of SFL (jacksonville) . BTW, most of those recruits have been our best players. We've done very well outside of SFL, and should not fill up the class with play B-C SFL kids, when we can land better kids from the outside.

 

[Barboni]

First off, they need ELITE evaluations. They also need to rescind offers to the "Plan A" kids as soon as they realize that these kids are seeking remuneration. They must then redirect all efforts on the "Plan B" kids.

Texas A&M, the entire SEC, most of the Big Ten (even Wisconsin) and some in the Pac 10 pay players. I live in Los Angeles and while USC does not have a foundation, they have a formidable "tight-knit" network that compensates the players. UM does not, and will never, pay players.

Georgetown does not pay players during the recruiting process, but the players are paid handsomely while they play for the team.

Richt is "spent". He is not fully engaged and is "coasting". They will probably have to fire him next year when he again registers another 7-5 campaign......

Huh? I thought the standard at Miami was national titles. Elite evaluations LOL? Out of the 120+ teams in D1, how many of them are evaluating at a level that matches win and draft pick production relative to the programs that rely on 4-5 star players? Those that do well with kids that aren't as highly rated, aren't competing for titles and they're not sending more kids to the league than the powerhouses. Wisconsin can't and will never win a national title. For as good as they've been playing, they might as well play an NFL team in the BIG10 title game, because they won't beat OSU.

You're right. FSU can continue to be average on the field, but still land top recruiting classes, because of that "tight-knit" network. They went 7-5 last year, followed up by 5-7. Remember when UF went 4-8, twice in the last 5 years (once during a year when we beat them), and still out recruited us 1 year and finished 14th overall in the other. We're currently in 40's after 7 wins in the regular season.

We need to continue to attempt to stack as much talent as possible, with the hope that we bring in a legit HC.

 

[TheChosenOne]

B-b-b-b-b-b-but our offers mean much more now since we send out so few!!11!

I thought we loved it when our offers mattered?How is that working out?

I said it for a while.. cast a wide net locally and nationally. We've been able to close on OOS recruits better then SFL.

I've been saying we need to get a foothold in Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, and some of the north east area.

Not only that some of our best team was loaded with studs OOS. Cut out that SFL 3 star = everyone else 4 star. That might have been true 20 years ago but recruiting has come a long way because of the internet.

 

[DMoney]

Manny Diaz, the one coach everybody on here respects, could not disagree with you more. I don’t want the Coker and Dennis Erickson plan. South Florida is essential to our success.

Here’s a better idea: put a good product on the field. We won last year and had a great class. We underachieved this year and had a bad class. It’s not complicated.

For this program to have sustained recruiting success, we need to put a good product on the field.

 

[AboutTheU05]

The problems are internal to the program, not South Florida recruits.

 

[ZBHCane]

Win games. Beat Duke. Beat Virginia. Beat Boston College. Beat a bad Florida State team by more than 1 point. Beat all the other scrub teams on the schedule decisively.

That's the biggest change in recruiting strategy we need.

I could not agree more with this. WIN GAMES. No excuse with the talent that Miami has right now to lose to the likes of Duke, UVA and GaTech. We win those 3 games, even with the loss to BC, the sky would not be falling and this class would look a whole lot different IMO. We are not playing an SEC schedule. We are in the freakin ACC Costal! Going on that 4 game losing streak to those programs was embarrassing for our program and the kids noticed. This is simply a matter of coaching. Period.

 

[AtrainCane]

Manny Diaz, the one coach everybody on here respects, could not disagree with you more. I don’t want the Coker and Dennis Erickson plan. South Florida is essential to our success.

Here’s a better idea: put a good product on the field. We won last year and had a great class. We underachieved this year and had a bad class. It’s not complicated.

For this program to have sustained recruiting success, we need to put a good product on the field.

And it starts with hiring the right coach. Not some old geezer 1 step from retirement.

 

[Bennubird]

I've been a Cane since 1983. I've been through the good and the bad. Take this however you want to.

I'm not going to argue about the lack of loyalty of some SF recruits. It's well documented. Add to that that kids today are front runners. So, I agree that we have to adapt to the times.

But our issues, which infringe upon recruiting, are bigger than recruits in SF. We win at a high level and recruiting picks up. We will never get all the kids, even those in SF. We never have.

But we are where we are today because Richt and his staff have lead us there and because the University of Miami is NOT serious about competing for a national title in football. Whereas, again, I agree our kids are not loyal to the local program, in this case our staff has made it hard as **** to choose the University of Miami. This class is mainly a reflection of the kid's negative assessment of this staff and the trajectory of our program. Thus, simply changing our recruiting strategy isn't going to fix our problems.

Recognize that these recruits and their parents are paying attention to what we do and not just to what we say.

Be mindful that last season ended in a string of loses including a terrible loss to a bad Pittsburgh team. So, we entered this season on a downward trajectory.

This season we were 7-5 and performed on television at that level or below much of the season. Nkosi Perry was 6-24 in the Final Game of the season after playing a good portion of the season. No excuses about experience.

The 12 points against Duke was 1970s bad literally. 93rd in total offense. 106 in passing offense. 110 in passing efficiency. Eight practices for the bowl game. What about any of that gives an elite recruit confidence we know what we are doing?

What's worse is after all that UM's administration did not force Richt to make changes to bring in an OC. Each of the past three seasons we have scored fewer and fewer pointers. That should make each of us question what our staff is doing with the talent is does bring in. These recruits are not MENSA, but they aren't blind either.

The idea that more talented kids will fix our problem is flawed. We have talent right now, but rather than taking the next step this season, we failed and gave a bunch of empty excuses for doing so. Winners take personal responsibility for what's wrong, develop a plan, and implement the necessary changes. Happens every day in every industry.

Richt has kept on staff a terrible OL coach. We literally just signed a 240 pound tackle, when everyone knows we need young men who have a much higher probability to succeed. Remember the old savages want to play with savages quote. Yeah, it's stupid, but there is truth to it. Bright kids want to be in class with other bright kids, and elite football players want to be on the field with other elite football players.

Nothing against that young man, but Searels should not be recruiting the 2101 ranked player at a need position like tackle. And, yes, like the rest of you I now hope on top of hope that he gains 60 pounds of good weight without losing his flexibility and ability to move AND turns into a first round pick. We all know the probability for his success though we hope we are wrong.

The one area of the team that did perform to Cane standards was the defense, and Manny wisely took an opportunity for professional advancement. That happens in CFB all the time. Other programs take change as an opportunity to get better. What did Richt do?

After a "national" search he hired two coaches without the requisite experience. Banda should have cut his teach as the DC at Temple first. Not even going to talk about the other young man because his promotion to Co-DC at UM is ridiculous to the point of absurdity.

UM should have taken this as an opportunity to make our staff better by bringing in an experienced DC with a track record of success. We failed to do that. Why? Because UM is NOT serious about contending for national championships. It's all talk. Nothing about their actions suggests they are.

It doesn't even stop there, but it's pointless to continue.

These recruits including the SF recruits are paying attention and going where they believe they have a real chance to succeed. And yes, the SF recruits are not loyal. But if we made the changes to get better that winning programs make, we would win more games, and get better and better recruits as we get better.

 

[chrisRMNU]

You can't lock down SFL anymore. There is too much money being thrown around down there and we can't compete with that. I feel like this is a reason why the staff has tried to plant a flag in NY. Recruiting dynamic has definitely changed from where it was in the early 2000's. Either we play the bag game or we figure out a whole new way to get the kids we need.

 

[bacane]

Manny Diaz, the one coach everybody on here respects, could not disagree with you more. I don’t want the Coker and Dennis Erickson plan. South Florida is essential to our success.

Here’s a better idea: put a good product on the field. We won last year and had a great class. We underachieved this year and had a bad class. It’s not complicated.

For this program to have sustained recruiting success, we need to put a good product on the field.

Definitely nailed it, but some folks still won't grasp.

 

[canesbaby]

The problems are internal to the program, not South Florida recruits.

This. Everyone needs to shout this as loudly as possible whenever they have the chance. The administration of the University absolutely needs to hear this message.

 

[lauderdaleballer]

I could not agree more with this. WIN GAMES. No excuse with the talent that Miami has right now to lose to the likes of Duke, UVA and GaTech. We win those 3 games, even with the loss to BC, the sky would not be falling and this class would look a whole lot different IMO. We are not playing an SEC schedule. We are in the freakin ACC Costal! Going on that 4 game losing streak to those programs was embarrassing for our program and the kids noticed. This is simply a matter of coaching. Period.

Exactly. People around here love to say that the local players are entitled but it’s the fans. How do you expect to get top talent when you lose? It’s ceazy. We’ll get the studs if we win.

 

[bacane]

Our coaches can fly around and recruit players dummy. When talking resources its about outright benefits for players. LOL at being scared of the NCAA. Either pay players and become relevant and potentially get caught and get the death penalty, or simply die a slow irrelevant death because you're afraid the NCAA is going to come after you. The end result is the same. Thats what dumb *** fans like yourself haven't realized yet. The NCAA no longer matters.

Right, so the university president and bd of trustees are gonna sign off on a goofy *** plan like this. First, Miami hasn't shown the propensity to do the cheating thing well and get away with it. Secondly, when it comes to resources, Miami is playing with a water pistol compared to the football-rich state universities. Good luck in that ****ing match. And, finally, the NCAA is still relevant enough to want to nail Miami's ***. So might want to reconsider unless you plan to turn the IPF into a rec facility.