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SFbayCane said:
My biggest concern about the offense is coach Coley. Im interested to see if he can manage this team.

One of my big criticisms of offensive coordinators in general is that they tend to respond to success with cuteness. If we run a play with success will he go back to it or will he get cute and try to use the momentum on some gimmicky plays. I really dont have any knowledge of the guy but he has big shoes to fill. Jedd Fisch was one of the better OC's we've had here and certainly the best in the past decade.
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I'm not concerned as much as I am intrigued, but it's definitely an unknown. We know he's a special recruiter and talent scout. If it turns out he some sort of game day wunderkind who's broken out of head coach's evil spell ego jail (or even if he's merely capable) we've hit the frikkin trifecta.

We'll soon find out how he handles being given the keys to a Ferrari. One thing for sure, he's got the horses all over the place to make him look good. That the players are jazzed about working under his direction bodes well for the collective O psyche as it affects performance heading into games.

So like you, I hoping he's got the game day goods (and we run it until they can stop it).
 
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The concern with Coley as an actual coach is probably valid. He's obviously a monster recruiter, and that's nice, but we really don't know about his acumen as a play caller and QB coach. Aside from Kehoe, the offensive staff appears to be comprised of young guys who can recruit but who have a lot to prove from a coaching standpoint. The pieces are in place for this offense to be very good so it really shouldn't take anything monumental from a neophyte coaching staff that's just getting to know each other.
 
rokulika said:
The concern with Coley as an actual coach is probably valid. He's obviously a monster recruiter, and that's nice, but we really don't know about his acumen as a play caller and QB coach. Aside from Kehoe, the offensive staff appears to be comprised of young guys who can recruit but who have a lot to prove from a coaching standpoint. The pieces are in place for this offense to be very good so it really shouldn't take anything monumental from a neophyte coaching staff that's just getting to know each other.
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The thing that gives me comfort about Coley is that he was in charge of gameplanning at FSU. Even though he's only called plays at FIU (and perhaps in high school), he has a strong foundation in scheming. He's also got a nice résumé (Saban hired him twice).
 
CanesAreAble said:
rokulika said:
The concern with Coley as an actual coach is probably valid. He's obviously a monster recruiter, and that's nice, but we really don't know about his acumen as a play caller and QB coach. Aside from Kehoe, the offensive staff appears to be comprised of young guys who can recruit but who have a lot to prove from a coaching standpoint. The pieces are in place for this offense to be very good so it really shouldn't take anything monumental from a neophyte coaching staff that's just getting to know each other.
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The thing that gives me comfort about Coley is that he was in charge of gameplanning at FSU. Even though he's only called plays at FIU (and perhaps in high school), he has a strong foundation in scheming. He's also got a nice résumé (Saban hired him twice).
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I really think we may have struck gold with Coley because of his recruiting prowess. In one offseason we added three guys with serious recruiting ties in the state of FL (Coley, Brown, Scott). I just hope they can teach/develop as well as they can recruit. Like you said, Coley's body of work is hardly one to scoff at, with the exception of some inexperience as a play caller. Unless he's the world's worst play caller I think this should be our best offense since 2009.
 
CanesAreAble said:
rokulika said:
The concern with Coley as an actual coach is probably valid. He's obviously a monster recruiter, and that's nice, but we really don't know about his acumen as a play caller and QB coach. Aside from Kehoe, the offensive staff appears to be comprised of young guys who can recruit but who have a lot to prove from a coaching standpoint. The pieces are in place for this offense to be very good so it really shouldn't take anything monumental from a neophyte coaching staff that's just getting to know each other.
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The thing that gives me comfort about Coley is that he was in charge of gameplanning at FSU. Even though he's only called plays at FIU (and perhaps in high school), he has a strong foundation in scheming. He's also got a nice résumé (Saban hired him twice).
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Able, having great players can mask a lot of play-calling defienicies. ( just look at Coker)
 
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SFbayCane said:
My biggest concern about the offense is coach Coley. Im interested to see if he can manage this team.

One of my big criticisms of offensive coordinators in general is that they tend to respond to success with cuteness. If we run a play with success will he go back to it or will he get cute and try to use the momentum on some gimmicky plays. I really dont have any knowledge of the guy but he has big shoes to fill. Jedd Fisch was one of the better OC's we've had here and certainly the best in the past decade.
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Fisch was à smart Guy but he tended to overthink things and get Cute With the offense especially in the red zone. Coley seems like à hardnose football coach, i think he Will succéed here.
 
O line will have to be so much better than we have seen Friday or in a decade or so.

If we can't push good D lines off the ball and run, we are in beeg trouble.
 
k9cane said:
CanesAreAble said:
rokulika said:
The concern with Coley as an actual coach is probably valid. He's obviously a monster recruiter, and that's nice, but we really don't know about his acumen as a play caller and QB coach. Aside from Kehoe, the offensive staff appears to be comprised of young guys who can recruit but who have a lot to prove from a coaching standpoint. The pieces are in place for this offense to be very good so it really shouldn't take anything monumental from a neophyte coaching staff that's just getting to know each other.
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Able, having great players can mask a lot of play-calling defienicies. ( just look at Coker)
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We don't have as many great players as compared to other teams now. In fact, LOTS of teams are light years ahead of us at many positions and in depth.
 
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LuCane said:
CanesAreAble said:
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Early returns are a little unsettling, but we'll know where we stand after the Florida game.
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To me, it's still about #1 and #6.
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#1 is never going to change. Morris is what he is....a big armed QB who consistently goes through moments of inconsistency. He's as likely to overthrow a 5 yard slant as he is to throw a 40 yard strike into a tight window for a long TD. The biggest thing with him is limiting the amount of times he makes the wrong decision and throws into double coverage...but to me accuracy is one of those things a QB has very early on, and the ones that don't spend their entire careers chasing it.

#6 is the complete unknown. I saw some things I really didn't like last week (like pulling guards on short yardage situations - took me back to the Larry Coker days) but overall it's hard to draw any conclusions from a game against such an inferior opponent the week before one of the biggest games of the season against our most heated rival.

The biggest things for me that I want to see from Coley are plays which attack the middle of the field. Everything doesn't need to be a bomb or a 5 yard stop....I want to see a lot more 15 yard digs and some slant plays. Uf plays a ton of man to man so I definitely want to see drags and crossing plays as well. Anything that causes natural rub offs and picks.
 
LuCane said:
CanesAreAble said:
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Early returns are a little unsettling, but we'll know where we stand after the Florida game.
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To me, it's still about #1 and #6.
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More than ever, brotha.

Golden said he got together with the offensive coaches and they're going to make some changes to help the offensive line. Don't know exactly what that means, but I expect that some of our problems on offense will get cleaned up.
 
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At this point I think it is still a feeling out process. Coley is getting comfortable and so is Morris is too.
 
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Biscuits said:
I'm not worried about the offense. Not yet.
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Me either, first we have a bye week, then we get a glorified practice against Savannah State. Finally we get USF and they are pretty bad too.

Bye
Savannah State
@ USF
GT
@ UNC
Wake Forest
@ FSU (next offensive test)
 
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Through 2 games...the middle of the field has been practically ignored.

No slants. No intermediate digs. No drag routes. No seam routes.

I'm willing to give Coley more time but the middle of the field needs to be utilized A LOT.

And also....my kingdom for more screen passes to Duke.
 
Haven't seen anything that makes me excited yet in the passing game.

The passing game seems to be very bland. Like you guys already mentioned, we're not using the middle of the field at all. I haven't seen any **** route combos.

Against FAU, Morris tried to hit Dorsett deep and he was double-covered. Well if you go watch that play you'll notice that we were running 2-man routes. Nobody else on Dorsett's side of the ball went out for a pass so naturally the CB is gonna keep sinking cause nothing else has threatened his zone. That's simple Cover-2-Read (pattern matching) principals. You're gonna get double-coverage there almost every time.

The TD to Dorsett in the UF game was a nice call only cause UF was playing (hard) Cover-2. One Safety had to pick-up the vertical of #1 and the other Safety had to cover the vertical of #2 (Dorsett), which is obviously a great match-up for us.

Other than that play, I don't think I've seen us run any route combos to exploit zone. Now, Whipple had some **** route combos. That dude knew how to get guys open.


I'll give it some time though. *popcorn*
 
Let's see how we look heading into the Gt game or even after that game...we do know one thing Al's not going to stand for a bad offense after last year and basically everyone back
 
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