The Work 10-9

[The Franchise]

Fire every assistant and keep Folden. It's everyone else's fault we suck.

Next time you get a bad meal at a restaurant, call for the heads of the busboys and waitresses and dishwasher. Can't be the chef's fault.

 

[k9cane]

Usually, firing assistants means that you're putting a band-aid on a greater cancer.

Has there ever been a time when a head coach fires someone to save his own job, that ultimately did save his position?

 

[The Franchise]

Has there ever been a time when a head coach fires someone to save his own job, that ultimately did save his position?

I can't remember scapegoating ever working. But I can rattle off a 30 times when it didn't work.

 

[k9cane]

Has there ever been a time when a head coach fires someone to save his own job, that ultimately did save his position?

I can't remember scapegoating ever working. But I can rattle off a 30 times when it didn't work.

Yeah, exactly, it's one thing when a coach gets rid of assistants because they are really doing a sub-par job( lots of really good coaches shake up their staffs for lack of performance) but when you do it just to save your own ***, well, thats usually an act of desperation that falls short.

Coker did it prior to the 2006 season and fell flat on his face.

 

[am1640]

Usually, firing assistants means that you're putting a band-aid on a greater cancer.

Has there ever been a time when a head coach fires someone to save his own job, that ultimately did save his position?

it happened at UM 16 years ago, but it appears to be the exception and not the rule.

 

[fincane]

Usually, firing assistants means that you're putting a band-aid on a greater cancer.

Has there ever been a time when a head coach fires someone to save his own job, that ultimately did save his position?

it happened at UM 16 years ago, but it appears to be the exception and not the rule.

Butch and Bill Miller. One of the historians here said Butch was open to changes on the defense so he and Miller changed the front's alignment that year. Resulted in better run defense but hurt the pass defense or something. Schiano came in the next year with a defense that was a different from what Davis liked to run in year's past.

 

[am1640]

Usually, firing assistants means that you're putting a band-aid on a greater cancer.

Has there ever been a time when a head coach fires someone to save his own job, that ultimately did save his position?

it happened at UM 16 years ago, but it appears to be the exception and not the rule.

Butch and Bill Miller. One of the historians here said Butch was open to changes on the defense so he and Miller changed the front's alignment that year. Resulted in better run defense but hurt the pass defense or something. Schiano came in the next year with a defense that was a different from what Davis liked to run in year's past.

Oh yeah it was me and that's the difference between Butch and his bff and Golden and his. Butch and Bill actually tried to tinker with the Over defense that they both were accustomed to running (even if it was just a haphazardly way of doing it) , Golden and Donofio haven't they just insist on putting square pegs in circle holes. So changing DC won't be a change in scheme or philosophy just someone who Golden thinks might be able to get the kids to execute it better. If Golden and Dono had continued with the Duke defensive scheme and the defense was just getting bombed over left and right as the reason for failure, maybe there would have been a small inkling of hope that a new DC would be able to come in and change the scheme to one that works better with the kids. However we all know that's not happening so this is all just a waste of time and money.

 

[itsacanething]

Good stuff.

I entirely disagree with anyone saying this isn't yet a complete collapse. Folden has not beaten a single good team in his time here. Not a single one. Anybody saying that is not yet a complete collapse is likely braindead and needing life support to breathe.

I am still amazed at the people at this board that are not realistic. We just aren't capable of tossing golden out with yesterday's trash like some of you think. To use a golden term against him it's a process. A process that is unique to our situation. He isn't going anywhere after this season. He will have another year. That's the reality that people on this board simply ignore.

 

[weownfsu]

Good stuff.

I entirely disagree with anyone saying this isn't yet a complete collapse. Folden has not beaten a single good team in his time here. Not a single one. Anybody saying that is not yet a complete collapse is likely braindead and needing life support to breathe.

I am still amazed at the people at this board that are not realistic. We just aren't capable of tossing golden out with yesterday's trash like some of you think. To use a golden term against him it's a process. A process that is unique to our situation. He isn't going anywhere after this season. He will have another year. That's the reality that people on this board simply ignore.

No, it's the "reality" that has been made up by a bunch of blow hards who ignore history.

 

[The Franchise]

Good stuff.

I entirely disagree with anyone saying this isn't yet a complete collapse. Folden has not beaten a single good team in his time here. Not a single one. Anybody saying that is not yet a complete collapse is likely braindead and needing life support to breathe.

I am still amazed at the people at this board that are not realistic. We just aren't capable of tossing golden out with yesterday's trash like some of you think. To use a golden term against him it's a process. A process that is unique to our situation. He isn't going anywhere after this season. He will have another year. That's the reality that people on this board simply ignore.

Same conclusory bozo rap we heard when Coker and Shannon got fired.

 

[bransuperpower]

A lot of kids actually like Golden. But I think it's time for change

 

[Crazy4thecanes]

Maybe we aren't seeing the forest through the trees. There are so many moving parts here and it's been like a revolving door @ the Hecht. Kirby hired him, there was an interim AD, and now we have Mr University if Maine who has proven only good at fundraising and capital campaigns. How much sway does he even have to effect change? MY guess is not much.

And Donna has a rep for horrible hires all over the U system. Not just football (even though that's all most of you care about). Seriously, the U has other cancers growing. She hasn't done the next Prez any favors.

Our only hope is the BOT's which is a ****** spot to be in. Of course - once we lose to VT, FSU, UVA, and potentially Pitt - maybe everybody will be forced to save face. The question is......do we really want Blake making that call??

 

[k9cane]

Usually, firing assistants means that you're putting a band-aid on a greater cancer.

Has there ever been a time when a head coach fires someone to save his own job, that ultimately did save his position?

it happened at UM 16 years ago, but it appears to be the exception and not the rule.

Butch and Bill Miller. One of the historians here said Butch was open to changes on the defense so he and Miller changed the front's alignment that year. Resulted in better run defense but hurt the pass defense or something. Schiano came in the next year with a defense that was a different from what Davis liked to run in year's past.

Oh yeah it was me and that's the difference between Butch and his bff and Golden and his. Butch and Bill actually tried to tinker with the Over defense that they both were accustomed to running (even if it was just a haphazardly way of doing it) , Golden and Donofio haven't they just insist on putting square pegs in circle holes. So changing DC won't be a change in scheme or philosophy just someone who Golden thinks might be able to get the kids to execute it better. If Golden and Dono had continued with the Duke defensive scheme and the defense was just getting bombed over left and right as the reason for failure, maybe there would have been a small inkling of hope that a new DC would be able to come in and change the scheme to one that works better with the kids. However we all know that's not happening so this is all just a waste of time and money.

But guys, was Butch Davis really on any hot seat after the 98 season? I remember things looking up after the UCLA upset and beating NCState in the bowl game. Davis' seat certainly wasn't feeling warm like Golden's is now.

JMO, but those are two different circumstances

 

[Heals85]

Usually, firing assistants means that you're putting a band-aid on a greater cancer.

Has there ever been a time when a head coach fires someone to save his own job, that ultimately did save his position?

it happened at UM 16 years ago, but it appears to be the exception and not the rule.

Butch and Bill Miller. One of the historians here said Butch was open to changes on the defense so he and Miller changed the front's alignment that year. Resulted in better run defense but hurt the pass defense or something. Schiano came in the next year with a defense that was a different from what Davis liked to run in year's past.

Oh yeah it was me and that's the difference between Butch and his bff and Golden and his. Butch and Bill actually tried to tinker with the Over defense that they both were accustomed to running (even if it was just a haphazardly way of doing it) , Golden and Donofio haven't they just insist on putting square pegs in circle holes. So changing DC won't be a change in scheme or philosophy just someone who Golden thinks might be able to get the kids to execute it better. If Golden and Dono had continued with the Duke defensive scheme and the defense was just getting bombed over left and right as the reason for failure, maybe there would have been a small inkling of hope that a new DC would be able to come in and change the scheme to one that works better with the kids. However we all know that's not happening so this is all just a waste of time and money.

But guys, was Butch Davis really on any hot seat after the 98 season? I remember things looking up after the UCLA upset and beating NCState in the bowl game. Davis' seat certainly wasn't feeling warm like Golden's is now.

JMO, but those are two different circumstances

You right two very different circumstances but it further shows the stark contrast between a quality coach like Davis and fat *** Folden. He wasnt even in a hot seat and facing severe crippling sanctions but knew changes needed to be made and did so before being forced to do so.

 

[The Franchise]

Usually, firing assistants means that you're putting a band-aid on a greater cancer.

Has there ever been a time when a head coach fires someone to save his own job, that ultimately did save his position?

it happened at UM 16 years ago, but it appears to be the exception and not the rule.

Butch and Bill Miller. One of the historians here said Butch was open to changes on the defense so he and Miller changed the front's alignment that year. Resulted in better run defense but hurt the pass defense or something. Schiano came in the next year with a defense that was a different from what Davis liked to run in year's past.

Oh yeah it was me and that's the difference between Butch and his bff and Golden and his. Butch and Bill actually tried to tinker with the Over defense that they both were accustomed to running (even if it was just a haphazardly way of doing it) , Golden and Donofio haven't they just insist on putting square pegs in circle holes. So changing DC won't be a change in scheme or philosophy just someone who Golden thinks might be able to get the kids to execute it better. If Golden and Dono had continued with the Duke defensive scheme and the defense was just getting bombed over left and right as the reason for failure, maybe there would have been a small inkling of hope that a new DC would be able to come in and change the scheme to one that works better with the kids. However we all know that's not happening so this is all just a waste of time and money.

But guys, was Butch Davis really on any hot seat after the 98 season? I remember things looking up after the UCLA upset and beating NCState in the bowl game. Davis' seat certainly wasn't feeling warm like Golden's is now.

JMO, but those are two different circumstances

Wasn't even close to the same situation Folden is in right now. Expectations were high at UM back then, but Davis was still on solid ground.

 

[itsacanething]

Good stuff.

I entirely disagree with anyone saying this isn't yet a complete collapse. Folden has not beaten a single good team in his time here. Not a single one. Anybody saying that is not yet a complete collapse is likely braindead and needing life support to breathe.

I am still amazed at the people at this board that are not realistic. We just aren't capable of tossing golden out with yesterday's trash like some of you think. To use a golden term against him it's a process. A process that is unique to our situation. He isn't going anywhere after this season. He will have another year. That's the reality that people on this board simply ignore.

Same conclusory bozo rap we heard when Coker and Shannon got fired.

Every situation has its own facts and circumstances. Clearly the teams performance under golden is poor but the circumstances are different and it's the circumstances that will give him another year. Hey I am not happy with what I see but realistically i don't see a change being made. It's my opinion. I don't have any information. It's just my read on the situation. And in my opinion anyone that thinks a change is coming or talks as if it is coming this season is unrealistic or lacks perspective. Wanting a change is different than thinking one is going to occur at the time one wants that change.

 

[weownfsu]

Usually, firing assistants means that you're putting a band-aid on a greater cancer.

Has there ever been a time when a head coach fires someone to save his own job, that ultimately did save his position?

it happened at UM 16 years ago, but it appears to be the exception and not the rule.

Butch and Bill Miller. One of the historians here said Butch was open to changes on the defense so he and Miller changed the front's alignment that year. Resulted in better run defense but hurt the pass defense or something. Schiano came in the next year with a defense that was a different from what Davis liked to run in year's past.

Butch didn't fire Bill Mlller to save his own job at all. He had already had a bigger win than Golden has had in his entire career.

 

[AntwanJ306]

Butch didn't fire Bill Mlller to save his own job at all. He had already had a bigger win than Golden has had in his entire career.

Truth. Butch was fine. He fired Miller because he wanted a better defense, period.

 

[Dwinstitles]

A lot of kids actually like Golden. But I think it's time for change

They loved randy

 

[Gatorhater]

The people who think this is not already a complete collapse must be descendants of the people who didn't get the message that it was over after the first A-bomb dropped on Japan and we need to use a second. Idiots. The time for Al to make staff changes were the Bowl game last year.