The Way I See Things....11/26

I find the entire original post depressing as he'll. Sheesh........

Oh - and we aren't leaving the ACC. Donna will go down with the ship so it's a waste of time to discuss options (of which we have very few). It's laughable to read about our going to the Big 10 or the SEC - newsflash = in our dreams!!!!! They don't want.
 
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scholarship reductionn of about 20+- scholarships over the course of a few years. Hurricane fans, this will decimate our program, and erase any progress we've made towards rebuilding the program. A DI program can NOT be competitive with 63 scholarship players on a roster.

This. We are fin. Thanks, Shalala
 
X,

I emailed some friends from this site something similar recently. I'm not sure if Miami can, will, or even wants to leave the ACC. What the ACC needs to do instead is recruit and hire tier-one coaches. Loosen up those purse strings and bring aboard top-shelf coaches. If they do that, the wins will follow. They have the money, and most of these schools sit on or near more fertile recruiting grounds than most of the country. That's a more realistic option, and one that the commish of the ACC needs to really impress upon all of the ACC schools.

+REP......I posted this in another thread but it's relevant.

The only difference between the ACC and SEC is coaching and I mean that from a head coach, assistant coach, strength coach and total program perspective. Every year the ACC is right up there with SEC when it comes to NFL talent. There is absolutely no reason the ACC has to be this putrid. Improve the ACC coaching staffs and you'll see the conference turn around in a hurry.


Both of you have put the cart before the horse. There's a reason the Floridas, Alabamas and Ohio States can acquire the Meyers and Sabans of the world, money, and a lot it (20 to 25 mil) comes from their belonging to a bigtime conference. As an ACC member we receive 16 mil and are without a big tv deal like the one UF has with Sun. So without further adieu there is no competing with the sec for coaching talent via dollars, and facilities, because they've got the ACC trumped.

By the way the discrepancy will be much larger in 5 years as other conferences have laid out a better plan (own networks and proper expansion) than the ACC, which still prioritizes hoops which is a dead stick owned by the NCAA.

As someone stated in the WEZ's conference realignment thread, we are a football school and need to be aligned with like-minded sport departments, plain and simple.

I see your point, and this is one of those circular, chicken or egg first-type, arguments. The argument could be made that these schools would be wise to build a better product and then watch the deals come in once the conference started becoming more of a power player.

The truth of the matter is that we're a fish out of water in both of the conferences you mentioned.
 
Always enjoy your post, but they have been depressing for the last couple of yrs. the worst is behind us
 
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Completely disagree on "decimated" and the fact the ACC is dead for all time. We're not leaving the ACC.

Also we've been playing at 79 scholarship players this year and it wouldn't surprise me if that's already been factored into the "sanctions".
 
While xballers numbers may be a off lets not pretend like USC style sanctions won't decimate this program. 25 over 3 years and by the end of it we will be lucky to field a .500 team. Right now we have a small window to compete for a championship. 2014 is the year and if guys like Duke stay we got a chance in 2015. If we do compete my guess is Golden bounces to another job and were left with a new guy trying to rebuild us.

You don't lose 20 plus kids out of your program every year and replace them with 15-17 kids and expect to be ok. With just average attrition your left with little depth and a few mis evals you can be left with little talent at certain spots.

Lets hope the NCAA is merciful and hits us with 15 for 3. With good evals and a little luck we can get by with that.
 
Pretty pessimistic post. I'm a bit more optimistic on things than you are I guess. I've thought from the beginning that the sanctions wouldn't be as bad as others felt they would. We are not getting 20 scholarship losses per season lol. At worst I think we get what USC got which is 30 scholarship losses over 3 years. I still think we'll get more in the neighborhood of 18-24 over 3 years. No more bowl bans as well. Al Golden isn't going anywhere either. And yea our defense will be much better next year. Cheer up sunshine
 
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we wouldnt be at 63 per year.

we would worst case be at 75 per year (that would be 10 lost per year). that is still a massive hit and will have an impact on teh success of the program

I'm still thinking/hoping around 5 per year
 
Completely disagree on "decimated" and the fact the ACC is dead for all time. We're not leaving the ACC.

Also we've been playing at 79 scholarship players this year and it wouldn't surprise me if that's already been factored into the "sanctions".

I wonder if we will get credit for that especially considering the length of this investigation. we have effectively already been on probation for 1-2 years
 
Nice post, but a couple assumptions or factual errors.



Although the offense consitently put up significant yardage and points, some of that was due to how terrible our defense was. The quick scoring drives our defense alotted in most games accounted for us having an additional 3-4 possession per game.


Actually, it was the opposite, we ran 818 offense plays this year, despite our brisk pace offensively. That's tied for second worst in the ACC and towards the bottom nationally. This was due, in large part, to lengthy touchdown drives given up by our defense. In only two of our ten games this year did we win time of possession...that's yet another statement to how porous our defense was. It's also a statement as to how surprisingly good our offense was, that we were as successful as we were, despite having less opportunity.


Stephen Morris has his limitations. He has a huge arm; however, he often struggles with the easy throws, and does not have good pocket presence. He does some of the same things Jacory Harris does when facing pressure; he tends to scramble into it, as opposed to stepping up in the pocket or side-stepping it, hence we often ended up with Morris taking sacks that weren't neccessary.


Agree to disagree. I think Morris has decent pocket presence, despite our offensive line being underwhelming this year. It seems that several times a game Morris would scramble but, instead of just tucking and running, he would keep his eyes downfield and spot an open man. His footwork in the pocket needs work however (Fisch admitted as much) and contributes greatly to him occasionally struggling with his accuracy.

There were some games, where with exception to Chikilo, who at times made hustle plays, I didn't a single name called of ANYONE our our DL crediting them with a tackle.


As noted earlier, Shayon Green was our leading tackler this year. Yes, this has much to do with all of our LBs missing some game time, but, considering how porous our defense was this year, you'd almost think that a safety would garner the lead in tackles. Looking at our defense statistically, you'll see all sorts of odd things.


The general consensus and expectations seem to be that we will be hit with scholarship reductionn of about 20+- scholarships over the course of a few years.


Annndddd that would be the death penalty. I've seen nowhere that says that the death penalty is even an option, with the exception of a few interview with the hack (that being Charles Robinson). No, while 20 scholarships is a possibility, it will be something on the order of 20 over 4 or 5. Which would bring us down to 80 scholarships a year, a far cry from the idea of being reduced into the 60s.


Miami needs to LEAVE THE ACC N.O.W.!!! The only hope for the program, is if Miami can negotiate with the Big 10 or SEC to join there conference.


It is an interesting thought, that the program, struggling as it has been, would be as much in a position to negotiate as lots of our fanbase seems to wish it. The Big 10 would have to completely depart it's model for expanding into 'contiguous' states only, something that they've seemed to be unwilling to do. The SEC seems to little interested in expanding into states where it already has a footprint. Also, know that there are logistical problems for conferences expanding past that 14 team mark, ones that would only be solved by the so called 'pod' system. Regardless, no conference (besides the old WAC, which has since crumbled http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Athletic_Conference#Second_wave_of_expansion_and_turbulence) has yet been willing to push past that 16 team mark. Once one does, I would imagine the others will. Which would open up at least 6 spots or so. Would Miami be one of those 6 teams? Certainly possible. However, I think the most important thing for the program right now is to show a good product on the field. Then we'll be in a position we want to be in, come what may.
per the norm elf is spot on.
 
Stopped reading after saying our bad defense accounted for additional possessions. You do realize that 3 and out results in us getting the ball back quicker than a "quick scoring drive" right?
 
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Someone is going to have to explain to me how being at 78-80 players will decimate the program. We played with that this year + more than 50 freshmen and sophomores + a QB trying to figure things out + almost complete dead weight in our upperclassmen + looming sanctions and distractions. Sure, it was a down year for ACC teams, but we were a couple decisions from a 9-3 season and headed to the ACC Championship game either way.

If we want to get extreme, through many of the Coker and Shannon years - even some successful ones - I felt like we were actually playing with 65. Will there be more pressure on the coaches? Of course. But some of that is mitigated with their recruiting approach. They tend to offer local kids and kids they've seen at camps. It's a far cry from what we experienced over the last 10 years. This year is a great example. We'll take 15-16 kids. After following recruiting for about 15 years, I can say the error rate of a class like this, based on the types of guys I've seen live, is probably in the same range as some of our "best" classes.

I've been pessimistic in the past when it's appropriate, but place me in the "cautiously optimistic" camp now. Unless the NCAA absolutely obliterates us, I think we're going to enjoy ourselves and this original post (thread) will be the type of signal we look back at as a "bottom."
 
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Please straighten me out regarding the numbers. Let's say we lose 20 scholarships over 4 years, which is 5 a year. After year one, theoretically we would go from 83 scholarship players to 78 correct? Year #2 we would lose an additional 5, bringing us down to 73.................if this pattern continues, after 4 years, wouldn't we be at our max of lost scholarships and only have 63 scholarship players on the roster?

If I am wrong, someone please explain to me where I've gone wrong. I just don't see how after losing 20 scholarships we would continue to play with 70 something scholarship players.
 
Well, I think ppl are not doing the math correct here. Now if we lose 5 per year for four years that equals 20 so after the fourth year we would in fact be at about 65 scholarship players on the roster. Otherwise it is really only a 5 ship reduction. I do however think this staff has the ability to overcome this. With good player development and good sound recruiting. Also I think this defense is much better than we are giving it credit for. I mean in the last game watch how badly the safeties got burned by the play action, that is not on the coach, its on the players. And said players will only get better with time. I think our starting safeties will be Jenkins and Bush by next fall without a doubt. I think the Utough will help bring along some of these young DT, and DE and we will see some improvement there too. I think that with a healthy DP, a less crazy EJ we have the best two OLB inn the conference. How many games did we even play where these two were on the field together and healthy? I think that between Gaines and Paul we are ok at MLB. I think Chick needs to either gain a burst or lose the weight necessary to have a burst, and we need McCord, Hamilton, Hoilett to step up. This team is VERY close to being great as quickly as next year!
 
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Thoughts On The Season

Generally, I think the Canes finished about where most fans thought they would. I wouldn't have guessed that we would be Coastal Division Champs; however, the fact that we finished in a 3 way tie for the division title says poor about the pathetic state of ACC football than it does about our program. (More on that later)
The Good: Duke Johnson. I was concerned prior to the season about his ability to remain healthy. He doesn't have the build of an Alabama back, and was not sure he could sustain significant playing time as a freshman. He far exceeded my expectations, and I think most Canes fans will concede that he will be our next All-American. Although the offense consitently put up significant yardage and points, some of that was due to how terrible our defense was. The quick scoring drives our defense alotted in most games accounted for us having an additional 3-4 possession per game. Under most circumstances, teams should not have 15 possession a game; however, due to the terrible defenses in the ACC, ours included, the offenses had many more opportunities to gain yards. For those who might argue that it's not neccessarily bad defenses, but good offenses, look at what the ACC's best did against SEC teams last week. The vaunted offenses of GT, Clemson, and FSU, looked terrible!!

Stephen Morris has his limitations. He has a huge arm; however, he often struggles with the easy throws, and does not have good pocket presence. He does some of the same things Jacory Harris does when facing pressure; he tends to scramble into it, as opposed to stepping up in the pocket or side-stepping it, hence we often ended up with Morris taking sacks that weren't neccessary. One thing Morris does well, is throw the deep ball. There were very few times he overthrew the receiver, and often times placed the ball far enough to the outside to ensure that help couldn't get there from the safety. I would like to see Morris improve on his accuracy on the quick throws on the outside to the receivers. There were many times the balls were thrown at the receivers feet or a couple of feet above their heads. Those passes should NEVER be incomplete, and because timing is critical, should be placed with precision, eliminating wasted movement by the WR's to catch the ball, and giving time for the defenders to react.

The BAD: This one is easy. THE ENTIRE DEFENSE. Let me start with the D-Line. There is NOT one player on our starting D-Line that could start for ANY program in the top 10. Our D-Line, save McCord, lacks athleticism, explosion, and quickness. McCord is very quick off the line; however, he should have redshirted this year, and needs another year or two in the weight program before he can be an effective every down player. I'm most pessimistic about this position, because I don't see any fix in the near future. This is not a position where a kid from HS can come in and make a difference right away. Even most JUCO kids need a year to adjust from mediocre level football to big time college football. Basically next year, we are going to get shredded AGAIN, because we will have a slightly more experienced and stronger line, but not any more athletic or capable of making game changing plays. There were some games, where with exception to Chikilo, who at times made hustle plays, I didn't a single name called of ANYONE our our DL crediting them with a tackle. If you are expecting dramatic improvement on our defense next year because we will be more experienced. That is FOOL'S GOLD. Experience doesn't allow for a player who couldn't fight his way through seran wrap one year all of a sudden be able to run through brick walls. In my opinion, the problem with the DL is not neccesarily coaching or scheme, but rather poor recruiting. Look at what FSU and UF has recruited at DT the last 3-4 years and look what we have. Yes, in most cases, STARS MATTER.


Here it comes.....
For those who think that with our two year self imposed bowl ban, that the worst is behind us. Here's a word of advice, expect the worst and hope for the best. The general consensus and expectations seem to be that we will be hit with scholarship reductionn of about 20+- scholarships over the course of a few years. Hurricane fans, this will decimate our program, and erase any progress we've made towards rebuilding the program. A DI program can NOT be competitive with 63 scholarship players on a roster. To be competitive would require for the coaches to hit on EVERY SINGLE RECRUIT, and even then, there would be NO DEPTH. Reports are that UM is being very cooperative with the NCAA and conducting what amounts to a "joint investigation". All this means, is that UM will bend over and take it what ever the NCAA gives them right up the A$$, and UM will not fight it. I will guarantee you that IF serious scholarship reductions occur, Al Golden will not be around to rebuild the program from even greater depths than he found it.

What needs to Happen
Miami needs to LEAVE THE ACC N.O.W.!!! The only hope for the program, is if Miami can negotiate with the Big 10 or SEC to join there conference. Yes, Miami screwed themselves by voting to increase the penalty for leaving the ACC to 50 MILLION dollars; which was done to prevent FSU and Clemson from leaving; however, the ACC conference is already one of the worst, if not THE WORST BCS conferencein college football, and the more irrelavant the conference becomes, the more irrelevant the programs within the conference become. The more irrelevant the football programs become, the less revenue that is produced. The less revenue produced, the greater the gap between the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, and the ACC. What needs to happen is for Miami leave. Miami needs to join a conference that is nationally relevant, and a conference that attracts larger TV revenue and whose fans travel better. Miami can not keep attracting 30,000 fans to their home games and expect to survive. By joining one of the larger football power house conferences, Miami's attendance would increase by 10,000 fans a game on average. Yes, I understand our sorry A$$ stadium would be filled with fans from the visiting team; however, they would be filled with PAYING fans, instead of empty seats.

It Pays
Gene Chizik got fired after just a few years at Auburn. Proof that a QB makes all the difference in college football. Without Cam Newton, they are a .500 team the year they win the National Championship. Yes, Cam Newton was paid!!!! So what??? That's par for the course in the SEC........everyone's a winner. Auburn wins a National Championship and makes TONS of money. The SEC can continue to claim dominance, and ESPN continues to make huge amounts of money from their SEC contract.

Recruiting
Give me 4 stud interior DL and call it a day. Self impose all freaking 20 scholarships this year. JUST GIVE ME SOME **** DL!!!!

Typical the glass is half empty guy..nothing to see here... IF marcus Fortson and Olivier Vernon stayed and a healthy CP we would have a dam near NFL defensive line.. Fsu just lost 4 games last year... The talent is not the issue we have had top recruting classes the past 10 years. Your just frustrated man and making excuses. We have at lest 3 nfl O Linemen. We recruit great our corches have just sucked. Buy a clue or ill hit you with a candlestick
 
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We are not a football school, unfortunately. Yes, we love football but that doesn't make the school itself a football school. Football schools invest in their programs. UofM has a football history; however we are not dedicated to football the way SEC or BIG12 schools are. There is a large gap there between ourselves and even schools such as TCU and Baylor. That is a reality we must face and a reality we cannot ignore. The ACC is a good fit for Miami at the moment. UofM would be in deep trouble if it were forced into a move to the BIG12.

Our sports department is likeminded with ACC type schools, not the Texas, Oklahoma, WVU, Oklahoma State, FSU, Clemson, TCU, Baylor, etc.

Along the line of sanctions. Anything in the 20 or more scholarship reductions will be a very painful hit to the program. To say otherwise is simply being an overly brave supporter. There is nothing in history that would support it. As the member mentioned you cannot overcome scholarship reductions of that magnitude.
 
X,

I emailed some friends from this site something similar recently. I'm not sure if Miami can, will, or even wants to leave the ACC. What the ACC needs to do instead is recruit and hire tier-one coaches. Loosen up those purse strings and bring aboard top-shelf coaches. If they do that, the wins will follow. They have the money, and most of these schools sit on or near more fertile recruiting grounds than most of the country. That's a more realistic option, and one that the commish of the ACC needs to really impress upon all of the ACC schools.

+REP......I posted this in another thread but it's relevant.

The only difference between the ACC and SEC is coaching and I mean that from a head coach, assistant coach, strength coach and total program perspective. Every year the ACC is right up there with SEC when it comes to NFL talent. There is absolutely no reason the ACC has to be this putrid. Improve the ACC coaching staffs and you'll see the conference turn around in a hurry.


Both of you have put the cart before the horse. There's a reason the Floridas, Alabamas and Ohio States can acquire the Meyers and Sabans of the world, money, and a lot it (20 to 25 mil) comes from their belonging to a bigtime conference. As an ACC member we receive 16 mil and are without a big tv deal like the one UF has with Sun. So without further adieu there is no competing with the sec for coaching talent via dollars, and facilities, because they've got the ACC trumped.

By the way the discrepancy will be much larger in 5 years as other conferences have laid out a better plan (own networks and proper expansion) than the ACC, which still prioritizes hoops which is a dead stick owned by the NCAA.

As someone stated in the WEZ's conference realignment thread, we are a football school and need to be aligned with like-minded sport departments, plain and simple.

No one said you have to compete with the SEC for coaches. I said you have to "make the right hire", meaning hire good coaches. You don't have to pay top dollar to good coaches....maybe to keep them, but not to get them. These administrators in the ACC have epic failed with their hires for years and until that changes then the ACC will be business as usual.
 
So when you are hit with scholarship reductions, is it a cap situation or just 5 less than what you could give out normally? Because if it's the latter, you'd still be giving out 17/18 a year with normal roster turnover even taking a reduction.
 
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