The Way I See Things....11/26

xballer52

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Thoughts On The Season

Generally, I think the Canes finished about where most fans thought they would. I wouldn't have guessed that we would be Coastal Division Champs; however, the fact that we finished in a 3 way tie for the division title says poor about the pathetic state of ACC football than it does about our program. (More on that later)
The Good: Duke Johnson. I was concerned prior to the season about his ability to remain healthy. He doesn't have the build of an Alabama back, and was not sure he could sustain significant playing time as a freshman. He far exceeded my expectations, and I think most Canes fans will concede that he will be our next All-American. Although the offense consitently put up significant yardage and points, some of that was due to how terrible our defense was. The quick scoring drives our defense alotted in most games accounted for us having an additional 3-4 possession per game. Under most circumstances, teams should not have 15 possession a game; however, due to the terrible defenses in the ACC, ours included, the offenses had many more opportunities to gain yards. For those who might argue that it's not neccessarily bad defenses, but good offenses, look at what the ACC's best did against SEC teams last week. The vaunted offenses of GT, Clemson, and FSU, looked terrible!!

Stephen Morris has his limitations. He has a huge arm; however, he often struggles with the easy throws, and does not have good pocket presence. He does some of the same things Jacory Harris does when facing pressure; he tends to scramble into it, as opposed to stepping up in the pocket or side-stepping it, hence we often ended up with Morris taking sacks that weren't neccessary. One thing Morris does well, is throw the deep ball. There were very few times he overthrew the receiver, and often times placed the ball far enough to the outside to ensure that help couldn't get there from the safety. I would like to see Morris improve on his accuracy on the quick throws on the outside to the receivers. There were many times the balls were thrown at the receivers feet or a couple of feet above their heads. Those passes should NEVER be incomplete, and because timing is critical, should be placed with precision, eliminating wasted movement by the WR's to catch the ball, and giving time for the defenders to react.

The BAD: This one is easy. THE ENTIRE DEFENSE. Let me start with the D-Line. There is NOT one player on our starting D-Line that could start for ANY program in the top 10. Our D-Line, save McCord, lacks athleticism, explosion, and quickness. McCord is very quick off the line; however, he should have redshirted this year, and needs another year or two in the weight program before he can be an effective every down player. I'm most pessimistic about this position, because I don't see any fix in the near future. This is not a position where a kid from HS can come in and make a difference right away. Even most JUCO kids need a year to adjust from mediocre level football to big time college football. Basically next year, we are going to get shredded AGAIN, because we will have a slightly more experienced and stronger line, but not any more athletic or capable of making game changing plays. There were some games, where with exception to Chikilo, who at times made hustle plays, I didn't a single name called of ANYONE our our DL crediting them with a tackle. If you are expecting dramatic improvement on our defense next year because we will be more experienced. That is FOOL'S GOLD. Experience doesn't allow for a player who couldn't fight his way through seran wrap one year all of a sudden be able to run through brick walls. In my opinion, the problem with the DL is not neccesarily coaching or scheme, but rather poor recruiting. Look at what FSU and UF has recruited at DT the last 3-4 years and look what we have. Yes, in most cases, STARS MATTER.


Here it comes.....
For those who think that with our two year self imposed bowl ban, that the worst is behind us. Here's a word of advice, expect the worst and hope for the best. The general consensus and expectations seem to be that we will be hit with scholarship reductionn of about 20+- scholarships over the course of a few years. Hurricane fans, this will decimate our program, and erase any progress we've made towards rebuilding the program. A DI program can NOT be competitive with 63 scholarship players on a roster. To be competitive would require for the coaches to hit on EVERY SINGLE RECRUIT, and even then, there would be NO DEPTH. Reports are that UM is being very cooperative with the NCAA and conducting what amounts to a "joint investigation". All this means, is that UM will bend over and take it what ever the NCAA gives them right up the A$$, and UM will not fight it. I will guarantee you that IF serious scholarship reductions occur, Al Golden will not be around to rebuild the program from even greater depths than he found it.

What needs to Happen
Miami needs to LEAVE THE ACC N.O.W.!!! The only hope for the program, is if Miami can negotiate with the Big 10 or SEC to join there conference. Yes, Miami screwed themselves by voting to increase the penalty for leaving the ACC to 50 MILLION dollars; which was done to prevent FSU and Clemson from leaving; however, the ACC conference is already one of the worst, if not THE WORST BCS conferencein college football, and the more irrelavant the conference becomes, the more irrelevant the programs within the conference become. The more irrelevant the football programs become, the less revenue that is produced. The less revenue produced, the greater the gap between the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, and the ACC. What needs to happen is for Miami leave. Miami needs to join a conference that is nationally relevant, and a conference that attracts larger TV revenue and whose fans travel better. Miami can not keep attracting 30,000 fans to their home games and expect to survive. By joining one of the larger football power house conferences, Miami's attendance would increase by 10,000 fans a game on average. Yes, I understand our sorry A$$ stadium would be filled with fans from the visiting team; however, they would be filled with PAYING fans, instead of empty seats.

It Pays
Gene Chizik got fired after just a few years at Auburn. Proof that a QB makes all the difference in college football. Without Cam Newton, they are a .500 team the year they win the National Championship. Yes, Cam Newton was paid!!!! So what??? That's par for the course in the SEC........everyone's a winner. Auburn wins a National Championship and makes TONS of money. The SEC can continue to claim dominance, and ESPN continues to make huge amounts of money from their SEC contract.

Recruiting
Give me 4 stud interior DL and call it a day. Self impose all freaking 20 scholarships this year. JUST GIVE ME SOME **** DL!!!!
 
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Nice post, as always.

As for this tidbit:

Here it comes.....
For those who think that with our two year self imposed bowl ban, that the worst is behind us. Here's a word of advice, expect the worst and hope for the best. The general consensus and expectations seem to be that we will be hit with scholarship reductionn of about 20+- scholarships over the course of a few years. Hurricane fans, this will decimate our program, and erase any progress we've made towards rebuilding the program. A DI program can NOT be competitive with 63 scholarship players on a roster. To be competitive would require for the coaches to hit on EVERY SINGLE RECRUIT, and even then, there would be NO DEPTH.

I completely disagree. Yes, the onus will be on the coaches to cut out any dead weight and hit on their evaluations, but isn't that what they have to do anyway if we expect to compete at an elite level? Also, I haven't done the math, but are you sure we'd be at 63 scholarship players? That would certainly hurt, but I guess I'd have to get your definition of "decimate."
 
dude...No. How the **** did you get 63? And you want us to leave the ACC?

For basketball we're in the best conference in America, and that will only become stronger. We will never be a dominant program, the ACC is great for us because of the revenue.

We're in great position football wise in the ACC. Considering they just re-upped the contract with the Orange Bowl, guarantees us a marquee opponent instead of a fledgling big east team.
 
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Lu,
Every team in the country as "dead weight"....I guess I would define this term as players who never see SIGNIFICANT action on the field. If you look back at even our BEST recruiting classes, only about half of the players one could say received meaningful playing time or were significant contributors. The other half either transfered, were relegated to special teams duty, or were career back-ups. With 83 scholarship players, there is enough room for error to miss on certain percentage of evaluations, account for injuries, etc.....with 65, there is NO ROOM for ERROR, and in such an unprecise science as recruiting, not even Nick Saban could succeed with significant scholarship reductions. It is NOT possible.
 
919,
Duke's Head Basketball Coach recently said he is concerned about the long term viability of the ACC. If he is concerned about the future of the ACC in regards to basketball, then I can guarantee you that EVERY COACH and AD in the ACC is concerned; or should be!! Additionally, if FSU and Clemson were to bolt from the ACC to the SEC as previously rumored, how well position do you think the ACC would be in terms of negotiating significant revenue producting contracts? You think BC, Pitt, NC State, Virginia, Wake Forest, and Duke have any national significance?
 
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We will NEVER join the SEC....they don't want us, and we don't want them. SEC is made up of all large state schools with mostly questionable academics, not what we want to be associated with. Big 10 would be more realistic, geography aside.
 
The D Line is a huge concern. It's a huge concern because, as xballer mentioned, it's a position with no "quick fix" from incoming freshman. If you are depending on freshmen D lineman to play right away the chances are you have an awful D Line...which we do.

Golden and company need to absolute SCOUR every corner of JUCO earth and try to uncover some upperclassmen hidden talent. What we do in regards to JUCO D Lineman recruiting over this year and the next will directly determine whether or not Duke Johnson's generation will have any chance whatsoever to compete for a championship during his college tenure.

Make no mistake about it...the situation at D line is an even bigger mess than what most of us think...and most on this board already think it's bad.
 
Thoughts On The Season

There were some games, where with exception to Chikilo, who at times made hustle plays, I didn't a single name called of ANYONE our our DL crediting them with a tackle.

Shayon Green led the team in tackles so you must not have paid very much attention.
 
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X,

I emailed some friends from this site something similar recently. I'm not sure if Miami can, will, or even wants to leave the ACC. What the ACC needs to do instead is recruit and hire tier-one coaches. Loosen up those purse strings and bring aboard top-shelf coaches. If they do that, the wins will follow. They have the money, and most of these schools sit on or near more fertile recruiting grounds than most of the country. That's a more realistic option, and one that the commish of the ACC needs to really impress upon all of the ACC schools.
 
Thoughts On The Season

There were some games, where with exception to Chikilo, who at times made hustle plays, I didn't a single name called of ANYONE our our DL crediting them with a tackle.

Shayon Green led the team in tackles so you must not have paid very much attention.

TFL. How many?

Seemed like most of his were five yards downfield.

67 Tackles

http://www.statmilk.com/NCAAF/Team/415/?
 
Lu,
Every team in the country as "dead weight"....I guess I would define this term as players who never see SIGNIFICANT action on the field. If you look back at even our BEST recruiting classes, only about half of the players one could say received meaningful playing time or were significant contributors. The other half either transfered, were relegated to special teams duty, or were career back-ups. With 83 scholarship players, there is enough room for error to miss on certain percentage of evaluations, account for injuries, etc.....with 65, there is NO ROOM for ERROR, and in such an unprecise science as recruiting, not even Nick Saban could succeed with significant scholarship reductions. It is NOT possible.
Dude were not losing 20 scholarship a year...Your math is off...
Maybe 20 scholarship over 3-4 year at worst...
not 20 a year..lol
But good post..
 
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X,

I emailed some friends from this site something similar recently. I'm not sure if Miami can, will, or even wants to leave the ACC. What the ACC needs to do instead is recruit and hire tier-one coaches. Loosen up those purse strings and bring aboard top-shelf coaches. If they do that, the wins will follow. They have the money, and most of these schools sit on or near more fertile recruiting grounds than most of the country. That's a more realistic option, and one that the commish of the ACC needs to really impress upon all of the ACC schools.

+REP......I posted this in another thread but it's relevant.

The only difference between the ACC and SEC is coaching and I mean that from a head coach, assistant coach, strength coach and total program perspective. Every year the ACC is right up there with SEC when it comes to NFL talent. There is absolutely no reason the ACC has to be this putrid. Improve the ACC coaching staffs and you'll see the conference turn around in a hurry.
 
Lu,
Every team in the country as "dead weight"....I guess I would define this term as players who never see SIGNIFICANT action on the field. If you look back at even our BEST recruiting classes, only about half of the players one could say received meaningful playing time or were significant contributors. The other half either transfered, were relegated to special teams duty, or were career back-ups. With 83 scholarship players, there is enough room for error to miss on certain percentage of evaluations, account for injuries, etc.....with 65, there is NO ROOM for ERROR, and in such an unprecise science as recruiting, not even Nick Saban could succeed with significant scholarship reductions. It is NOT possible.
Dude were not losing 20 scholarship a year...Your math is off...
Maybe 20 scholarship over 3-4 year at worst...
not 20 a year..lol
But good post..

Your math is way off..like 1CN said those scholarship losses would be spread over a number of years such as 5 for 4 years (20 total) so we would have to sign 5 less in the upcoming class which Golden is already preparing and stay at 80 total for the following 3 years.
 
Why would 20 schollie reductions bring us to 63 kids? PSU got 40 schollie reductions, and was allowed a max cap of 65, not 45, IIRC.

ETA: Also, your comment about schollie impacts being felt after the year or two after sanctions hit is precisely why we should be frontloading as many kids as we can RIGHT NOW and making our roster YOUNGER and hopefully more talented by jetttisoning all JAG upperclassmen and replacing them with FR that will be around in 3, 4 or 5 years when the roster impacts will be most severe.

This is why this whole notion of only taking 15 kids this year is mindboggling to me. The only way this makes sense is if we are self-imposing this year and that taking 10 less schollies than our 25 max will count towards our schollie penalties.
 
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X,

I emailed some friends from this site something similar recently. I'm not sure if Miami can, will, or even wants to leave the ACC. What the ACC needs to do instead is recruit and hire tier-one coaches. Loosen up those purse strings and bring aboard top-shelf coaches. If they do that, the wins will follow. They have the money, and most of these schools sit on or near more fertile recruiting grounds than most of the country. That's a more realistic option, and one that the commish of the ACC needs to really impress upon all of the ACC schools.

+REP......I posted this in another thread but it's relevant.

The only difference between the ACC and SEC is coaching and I mean that from a head coach, assistant coach, strength coach and total program perspective. Every year the ACC is right up there with SEC when it comes to NFL talent. There is absolutely no reason the ACC has to be this putrid. Improve the ACC coaching staffs and you'll see the conference turn around in a hurry.


Both of you have put the cart before the horse. There's a reason the Floridas, Alabamas and Ohio States can acquire the Meyers and Sabans of the world, money, and a lot it (20 to 25 mil) comes from their belonging to a bigtime conference. As an ACC member we receive 16 mil and are without a big tv deal like the one UF has with Sun. So without further adieu there is no competing with the sec for coaching talent via dollars, and facilities, because they've got the ACC trumped.

By the way the discrepancy will be much larger in 5 years as other conferences have laid out a better plan (own networks and proper expansion) than the ACC, which still prioritizes hoops which is a dead stick owned by the NCAA.

As someone stated in the WEZ's conference realignment thread, we are a football school and need to be aligned with like-minded sport departments, plain and simple.
 
LIke others have posted you don't understand how scholarship reductions work. If we are at 63 then we would have gotten unprecedented type sanctions.
 
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