The Way I See Things......02/07

[whoisalgolden]

I hate people constantly referring to this as Al's "3rd recruiting class." While technically correct, 15 days and inheriting Shammin's turrible class shouldn't be considered his first class.

 

[Miami82]

We played 3 freshmen and 1 sophomore at DT. Unless they all already peaked then this is a dumb post.

Read the post again then... You missed the key points.

 

[Miami82]

I agree with most of your points but can we at least wait till the DT's are at least sophomores or juniors to declare them jags?

Problem being we needed an upgrade this year. With the same DL, how do you see the D improving?

 

[Miami82]

I listened to Al Golden's interviews and watched his press conference, and yes, there was frustration, but I saw even more anger.
He looked like a guy who was forcing himself to not blow up and yell, "Fucccccckkkkkk all you cooocccckkkksuuuccckkkersss! We are going to win and then all you haters can eat my shiiiitttt!"

You know there is a silver lining to our **** poor defensive statistics....,it's almost a certainty our defense will be better this coming year.
Our offense is going to be dynamic and if our defense just makes one more stop in each half, then 10-2 or 12-0 looks like a probability.

It better, it can only go down 4 spots.......

LOL. true...

Unless the scheme changes we won't see any vast improvement.

 

[rudebuddha]

I agree with most of your points but can we at least wait till the DT's are at least sophomores or juniors to declare them jags?

Problem being we needed an upgrade this year. With the same DL, how do you see the D improving?

It's not the same DL.
Anybody who thinks every d lineman we have will not get better is just biased or naive.
We had a ton of true freshmen. Pierre was a converted DE playing DT for the first time. Porter hasn't really played much due to injuries his whole career. Robinson, who knows what's going on with him.

Every d lineman we currently have will be better. They don't need to set the world on fire, they just need to be able to hold the line.
We are not going to all of a sudden become the Hurricane defense of the 80's and 90's, but we are not going to be the worst defense in college football.
Again even if we are just an average defense statistically watch out.

 

[Biscuits]

Who the **** in here has any clue whether the DTs currently on the roster have peaked or not? Or have talent or not?

Especially regarding the young guys, pardon me if I disregard a bunch of limp-wristed hand-wringing over whether or not they'll be players here based on a freshman campaign or a redshirt year. I'm sure some of you were killing the Olsen Pierre take and considered him a JAG up until later last season. I don't love Uncle Jethro, but Golden has shown the ability to develop DL - both at Temple and here already with Pierre. Clearly he's not happy at missing on Bostwick and Bryant, but that has absolutely nothing to do with our situation next year, and 2014 to boot if the young guys progress.

By 2015, I'm confident Golden and Co will have the issue corrected.

 

[Websters Dicktionary]

I agree with most of your points but can we at least wait till the DT's are at least sophomores or juniors to declare them jags?

Problem being we needed an upgrade this year. With the same DL, how do you see the D improving?

It's not the same DL.
Anybody who thinks every d lineman we have will not get better is just biased or naive.
We had a ton of true freshmen. Pierre was a converted DE playing DT for the first time. Porter hasn't really played much due to injuries his whole career. Robinson, who knows what's going on with him.

Every d lineman we currently have will be better. They don't need to set the world on fire, they just need to be able to hold the line.
We are not going to all of a sudden become the Hurricane defense of the 80's and 90's, but we are not going to be the worst defense in college football.
Again even if we are just an average defense statistically watch out.

we need to move up 55+ spots to get to average

 

[japancane]

We played 3 freshmen and 1 sophomore at DT. Unless they all already peaked then this is a dumb post.

It doesn't matter if they've peaked or not if they don't have enough talent to begin with.

how do you know? Warren Sapp was a TE in his first year.

 

[UCaneDoIt]

I have faith that the DT's can improve.

 

[Miami82]

I agree with most of your points but can we at least wait till the DT's are at least sophomores or juniors to declare them jags?

Problem being we needed an upgrade this year. With the same DL, how do you see the D improving?

It's not the same DL.
Anybody who thinks every d lineman we have will not get better is just biased or naive.
We had a ton of true freshmen. Pierre was a converted DE playing DT for the first time. Porter hasn't really played much due to injuries his whole career. Robinson, who knows what's going on with him.

Every d lineman we currently have will be better. They don't need to set the world on fire, they just need to be able to hold the line.
We are not going to all of a sudden become the Hurricane defense of the 80's and 90's, but we are not going to be the worst defense in college football.
Again even if we are just an average defense statistically watch out.

You are betting that jags are going to become studs overnight... Chick took a step back last year in case you missed that. The added weight didn't do him any favors. Is he going to be a DT or a hybrid? IMO he was better at the 245-255 rushing the edge like he did the year before. The lack of aggressive scheme is hurting these kids as well. If we don't generate a pass rush it will be more of the same.

I'm not knocking your hope, I just need to see something to give me some and after this last year I'm not seeing it. We needed new blood on the DL. That is a fact.

 

[DCH]

Recruiting is an inexact science. With defensive linemen moreso than most spots. Your odds of ending up with a rotation of quality players improve by recruiting bulk numbers at the position. Not taking any, therefore, is not good. Simple as that. You people defending the Ivery's of the world are short sighted and missing the point. He might be good. He might not. No coach, not even Al Golden, is capable of hitting on 100% of d linemen evaluations. If we take 5 guys in a 2 year cycle, the odds of us getting 2-3 good ones is pretty good. And if they are all good even better. But we only have 3, none of which were particularly highly recruited, and iwe are now forced to depend on Golden hitting on everyone, or we will be ****ed down the road. So the ODDS dictate that missing on defensive tackles hurts.

Math is the issue here. Its not a slight at anyone on the roster in particular. So stop getting all ******* ****y because people are pointing out the FACT that missing on defensive tackles hurts.

 

[Miami82]

Who the **** in here has any clue whether the DTs currently on the roster have peaked or not? Or have talent or not?

Especially regarding the young guys, pardon me if I disregard a bunch of limp-wristed hand-wringing over whether or not they'll be players here based on a freshman campaign or a redshirt year. I'm sure some of you were killing the Olsen Pierre take and considered him a JAG up until later last season. I don't love Uncle Jethro, but Golden has shown the ability to develop DL - both at Temple and here already with Pierre. Clearly he's not happy at missing on Bostwick and Bryant, but that has absolutely nothing to do with our situation next year, and 2014 to boot if the young guys progress.

By 2015, I'm confident Golden and Co will have the issue corrected.

LOL, you have been cokerized my friend.

 

[rudebuddha]

I agree with most of your points but can we at least wait till the DT's are at least sophomores or juniors to declare them jags?

Problem being we needed an upgrade this year. With the same DL, how do you see the D improving?

It's not the same DL.
Anybody who thinks every d lineman we have will not get better is just biased or naive.
We had a ton of true freshmen. Pierre was a converted DE playing DT for the first time. Porter hasn't really played much due to injuries his whole career. Robinson, who knows what's going on with him.

Every d lineman we currently have will be better. They don't need to set the world on fire, they just need to be able to hold the line.
We are not going to all of a sudden become the Hurricane defense of the 80's and 90's, but we are not going to be the worst defense in college football.
Again even if we are just an average defense statistically watch out.

we need to move up 55+ spots to get to average

I'm betting we do with the players we have now.
I'm not blind. I wondered all year where the pass rush was, but I also started seeing flashes near the end of the year of what we could be.
You can see the talent in the players we have.
In a normal world we would have redshirted every freshman d lineman last year. You would not have even seen them.
Chick should really be a redshirt sophomore this year.
But Shannon left the cupboard pretty bare and with Forston and Vernon leaving early for the draft it left us thin.

I wrote this yesterday, but I would just put our best players on the field and tell them to attack the ball.

Pierre, Porter and Chick up front. McCord, Kirby, DP, EJ at lb Howard Gunter Jenkins and Bush at DB.
Blitz 5-6-7 every play and see what happens.
Sure would beat playing conservative and getting picked apart by every team we faced last year.

 

[Miami82]

Recruiting is an inexact science. With defensive linemen moreso than most spots. Your odds of ending up with a rotation of quality players improve by recruiting bulk numbers at the position. Not taking any, therefore, is not good. Simple as that. You people defending the Ivery's of the world are short sighted and missing the point. He might be good. He might not. No coach, not even Al Golden, is capable of hitting on 100% of d linemen evaluations. If we take 5 guys in a 2 year cycle, the odds of us getting 2-3 good ones is pretty good. And if they are all good even better. But we only have 3, none of which were particularly highly recruited. So the ODDS dictate that missing on defensive tackles hurts.

Math is the issue here. Its not a slight at anyone on the roster in particular. So stop getting all ******* ****y because people are pointing out the FACT that missing on defensive tackles hurts.

This all day. And we already knew the glaring weakness going into this recruiting year.

 

[Miami82]

I agree with most of your points but can we at least wait till the DT's are at least sophomores or juniors to declare them jags?

Problem being we needed an upgrade this year. With the same DL, how do you see the D improving?

It's not the same DL.
Anybody who thinks every d lineman we have will not get better is just biased or naive.
We had a ton of true freshmen. Pierre was a converted DE playing DT for the first time. Porter hasn't really played much due to injuries his whole career. Robinson, who knows what's going on with him.

Every d lineman we currently have will be better. They don't need to set the world on fire, they just need to be able to hold the line.
We are not going to all of a sudden become the Hurricane defense of the 80's and 90's, but we are not going to be the worst defense in college football.
Again even if we are just an average defense statistically watch out.

we need to move up 55+ spots to get to average

I'm betting we do with the players we have now.
I'm not blind. I wondered all year where the pass rush was, but I also started seeing flashes near the end of the year of what we could be.
You can see the talent in the players we have.
In a normal world we would have redshirted every freshman d lineman last year. You would not have even seen them.
Chick should really be a redshirt sophomore this year.
But Shannon left the cupboard pretty bare and with Forston and Vernon leaving early for the draft it left us thin.

I wrote this yesterday, but I would just put our best players on the field and tell them to attack the ball.

Pierre, Porter and Chick up front. McCord, Kirby, DP, EJ at lb Howard Gunter Jenkins and Bush at DB.
Blitz 5-6-7 every play and see what happens.
Sure would beat playing conservative and getting picked apart by every team we faced last year.

I agree with you, but realistically we will not see that.

 

[rudebuddha]

Problem being we needed an upgrade this year. With the same DL, how do you see the D improving?

It's not the same DL.
Anybody who thinks every d lineman we have will not get better is just biased or naive.
We had a ton of true freshmen. Pierre was a converted DE playing DT for the first time. Porter hasn't really played much due to injuries his whole career. Robinson, who knows what's going on with him.

Every d lineman we currently have will be better. They don't need to set the world on fire, they just need to be able to hold the line.
We are not going to all of a sudden become the Hurricane defense of the 80's and 90's, but we are not going to be the worst defense in college football.
Again even if we are just an average defense statistically watch out.

we need to move up 55+ spots to get to average

I'm betting we do with the players we have now.
I'm not blind. I wondered all year where the pass rush was, but I also started seeing flashes near the end of the year of what we could be.
You can see the talent in the players we have.
In a normal world we would have redshirted every freshman d lineman last year. You would not have even seen them.
Chick should really be a redshirt sophomore this year.
But Shannon left the cupboard pretty bare and with Forston and Vernon leaving early for the draft it left us thin.

I wrote this yesterday, but I would just put our best players on the field and tell them to attack the ball.

Pierre, Porter and Chick up front. McCord, Kirby, DP, EJ at lb Howard Gunter Jenkins and Bush at DB.
Blitz 5-6-7 every play and see what happens.
Sure would beat playing conservative and getting picked apart by every team we faced last year.

I agree with you, but realistically we will not see that.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.
Golden is going to get his best players on the field.
Think of who we have on our front 7.
Pierre, Porter, Chick, Robinson, Moore, Ivery, Briscoe, Hamilton, Green, Perryman, EJ, Blue, Terry, Kirby, McCord, then throw in the newbies like Ufomba and AQM, three heat seeking missiles like Bond and Figueroa and Grace, and then hopefully this terror from Louisiana, Williams.

That's 21 guys and I didn't even count some guys.

Out of that crew we need to find two 7 man goon squads to go out and kill some people.
Most of those guys since the end of last year haven't been on vacation all offseason, they've been in the gym working out to get better.

I think all you naysayers are going to be pleasantly surprised at the damage our so called JAGs inflict this year.

 

[Websters Dicktionary]

Still don't see how we stop the run. I'm guessing 5+ ypc by our opponents again unless that D-Line really changes.

 

[rudebuddha]

Still don't see how we stop the run. I'm guessing 5+ ypc by our opponents again unless that D-Line really changes.

Same way we stopped the run on that goal line stand at GT, by attacking the line of scrimmage.
We need to attack and not be attacked. If we give up a big play so be it as long as it means at least a couple more stops a game.

Let's give these guys a chance before we crucify them. Let them at least grow from boys to men and then judge the finished product.

 

[tsimonitis]

How could anyone claim to know the ceiling of the players on the DL after a handful of games? The top 3 team in YPC allowed 1. Bama 2. BYU 3. UCONN . So the players currently on our roster have a lower ceiling than the DL on UCONN?

 

[Websters Dicktionary]

Still don't see how we stop the run. I'm guessing 5+ ypc by our opponents again unless that D-Line really changes.

Same way we stopped the run on that goal line stand at GT, by attacking the line of scrimmage.
We need to attack and not be attacked. If we give up a big play so be it as long as it means at least a couple more stops a game.

Let's give these guys a chance before we crucify them. Let them at least grow from boys to men and then judge the finished product.

One GL stand against a run only 7-7 team is what you fall back on? I like the optimism bro but our Dline got pushed around last year and we couldn't stop the run. We can hope it gets better all we want, but i will need to see it, not just hope.....

// we gave up 215 a game on the ground and 5 ypc, that is terrible at best