The Run Game

[Coach Macho]

I think they went ace back mainly to stay away from the strength of the Florida d, the front 7. Bringing hagens in just brings more people in the box.

And you think bringing in more TE's doesn't do the same thing?

Correct me, but doesn't another TE spread the LOS out, whereas using a lead blocker typically is for running within the traditional OL boundary? Unless you run a sweep with an FB, you're just delaying the point of contact against an elite unit like Florida has, which works against you when they're already in the backfield.

I would like to know why Miami doesn't run more misdirection with Duke.

Spread the LOS out, how? Like the DE's will line-up wider?

Whether you go 21 personnel or 12 personnel, you're most likely gonna get an extra defender in the box from the defense.

 

[Coach Macho]

You guys keep coming up with theories as to why the running game struggled after having early success but I already told yall. (in another thread)

UF changed what they were doing up-front. They started slanting/angling. They started blitzing more. They started stemming. (switching their alignments right before the snap)

What we saw from UF was a combination of good coaching and the best DL talent in the nation.



For anybody complaining about the O-line play in the UF game...I would love for you to tell me how the Miami OL should've handled this situation.

 

[The Franchise]

You guys keep coming up with theories as to why the running game struggled after having early success but I already told yall. (in another thread)

UF changed what they were doing up-front. They started slanting/angling. They started blitzing more. They started stemming. (switching their alignments right before the snap)

What we saw from UF was a combination of good coaching and the best DL talent in the nation.



For anybody complaining about the O-line play in the UF game...I would love for you to tell me how the Miami OL should've handled this situation.

If they're slanting and angling that hard, I'd try to push them out of their gaps and gash them that way. Use their momentum against them to open gaps by letting them run themselves out of the play. I don't think zone-blocking lends itself to that sort of approach though.

 

[dg151]

You guys keep coming up with theories as to why the running game struggled after having early success but I already told yall. (in another thread)

UF changed what they were doing up-front. They started slanting/angling. They started blitzing more. They started stemming. (switching their alignments right before the snap)

What we saw from UF was a combination of good coaching and the best DL talent in the nation.



For anybody complaining about the O-line play in the UF game...I would love for you to tell me how the Miami OL should've handled this situation.

If they're slanting and angling that hard, I'd try to push them out of their gaps and gash them that way. Use their momentum against them to open gaps by letting them run themselves out of the play. I don't think zone-blocking lends itself to that sort of approach though.

That is literally the point of zone blocking.

 

[The Franchise]

You guys keep coming up with theories as to why the running game struggled after having early success but I already told yall. (in another thread)

UF changed what they were doing up-front. They started slanting/angling. They started blitzing more. They started stemming. (switching their alignments right before the snap)

What we saw from UF was a combination of good coaching and the best DL talent in the nation.



For anybody complaining about the O-line play in the UF game...I would love for you to tell me how the Miami OL should've handled this situation.

If they're slanting and angling that hard, I'd try to push them out of their gaps and gash them that way. Use their momentum against them to open gaps by letting them run themselves out of the play. I don't think zone-blocking lends itself to that sort of approach though.

That is literally the point of zone blocking.

Not so sure our guys are quick enough to get to a guy like Easley if he's slanting and we're trying to block an area instead of getting a man on a man and just riding him out of the gap with his own momentum.

 

[dg151]

Easley destroys everyone no matter what he's doing and what the OL does.

 

[IndayArtHauz]

I think they went ace back mainly to stay away from the strength of the Florida d, the front 7. Bringing hagens in just brings more people in the box.

And you think bringing in more TE's doesn't do the same thing?

Correct me, but doesn't another TE spread the LOS out, whereas using a lead blocker typically is for running within the traditional OL boundary? Unless you run a sweep with an FB, you're just delaying the point of contact against an elite unit like Florida has, which works against you when they're already in the backfield.

I would like to know why Miami doesn't run more misdirection with Duke.

Spread the LOS out, how? Like the DE's will line-up wider?

Whether you go 21 personnel or 12 personnel, you're most likely gonna get an extra defender in the box from the defense.

Exactly, but if you have the pick of who's engaging the additional defender, do you want an FB or the TE? Within the context of Saturday's opponent. I'm honestly asking.

I've felt we don't use an extra back enough to block, on the whole. I'm just not sure that would've helped anything on Saturday.

 

[Coach Macho]

I think they went ace back mainly to stay away from the strength of the Florida d, the front 7. Bringing hagens in just brings more people in the box.

And you think bringing in more TE's doesn't do the same thing?

Correct me, but doesn't another TE spread the LOS out, whereas using a lead blocker typically is for running within the traditional OL boundary? Unless you run a sweep with an FB, you're just delaying the point of contact against an elite unit like Florida has, which works against you when they're already in the backfield.

I would like to know why Miami doesn't run more misdirection with Duke.

Spread the LOS out, how? Like the DE's will line-up wider?

Whether you go 21 personnel or 12 personnel, you're most likely gonna get an extra defender in the box from the defense.

Exactly, but if you have the pick of who's engaging the additional defender, do you want an FB or the TE? Within the context of Saturday's opponent. I'm honestly asking.

I've felt we don't use an extra back enough to block, on the whole. I'm just not sure that would've helped anything on Saturday.

That would depend on the play call. I honestly don't even know. LOL

 

[Coach Macho]

You guys keep coming up with theories as to why the running game struggled after having early success but I already told yall. (in another thread)

UF changed what they were doing up-front. They started slanting/angling. They started blitzing more. They started stemming. (switching their alignments right before the snap)

What we saw from UF was a combination of good coaching and the best DL talent in the nation.



For anybody complaining about the O-line play in the UF game...I would love for you to tell me how the Miami OL should've handled this situation.

If they're slanting and angling that hard, I'd try to push them out of their gaps and gash them that way. Use their momentum against them to open gaps by letting them run themselves out of the play. I don't think zone-blocking lends itself to that sort of approach though.

That is literally the point of zone blocking.

Indeed, but when you're dealing with a guy like Easley it's difficult. You try to lock on him and push him out of the play and he's gonna rip across your face and leave you.

 

[The Franchise]

Easley destroys everyone no matter what he's doing and what the OL does.

A dominant DT can cause more havoc than any other player on D. I said it before, but look at the impact one guy (Suh) had on Nebraska's D. They were a dominant unit with him, and they haven't stopped anyone without him.

 

[moshated305]

Our OL aren't good run blockers. Period. They were just as bad at it last season. None of them are maulers (except Linder) and none of them perform well in space except for Felizcumpleanos.

I think Linder is overrated. The line as a whole is overrated. I think even with their size they are a finesse group that pass blocks better than run block. I don't think we have any maulers.

 

[miamifan007]

Duke Johnson is the perfect running back for the zone blocking scheme....

but i'm not really convinced that UM's O-line isnt "athletic" enough to zone block..... Jeff Stoutland had a lot of success w/ his zone blocking schemes and he had big *** O-lineman like at Alabama last year, and even while at UM w/ under developed offensive lineman.

Brandon Washington, Harland Gunn, and even Henderson all were some big "nonathletic" O-lineman during Stoutlands time at UM.


i honestly am starting to think Art Kehoe is more responsible for this teams flaws at run blocking

This.

 

[Dynasty]

Duke Johnson is the perfect running back for the zone blocking scheme....

but i'm not really convinced that UM's O-line isnt "athletic" enough to zone block..... Jeff Stoutland had a lot of success w/ his zone blocking schemes and he had big *** O-lineman like at Alabama last year, and even while at UM w/ under developed offensive lineman.

Brandon Washington, Harland Gunn, and even Henderson all were some big "nonathletic" O-lineman during Stoutlands time at UM.


i honestly am starting to think Art Kehoe is more responsible for this teams flaws at run blocking

This.

I don't know. Kehoe has been running zone blocking concepts dating back to the Erickson days. He also popularized the power G blocking scheme used during the Davis and Coker era.

As it pertains to the zone blocking scheme, I'm not a fan of pulling the backside guard. It just seems to me that when we pull the backside guard the play gets blown up in the backfield. The gator choked it off with penetration and so did the owl. I'm of the opinion we should just straight zone with the down five or six, and let Duke look for a seam or cutback lane.

 

[Pixelated bukake]

If anyone is overrated, it's not Linder. Kid is a beast and always grades out well.

 

[guccinikes]

we as fans like to see our most athletic and electrifying player do his thing in space, not getting blown up when he gets the ball...btw a gator told me neutral site they win lol lol lol so its not all bad this week

 

[mwcane31]

If anyone is overrated, it's not Linder. Kid is a beast and always grades out well.

If anyone is overrated it is Hagens! If he was a good blocker he'd be in there more! He just gets in the way and plays patty-cake with the defender.

There's a reason you hardly see him in Duke's freshmen highlight video.

 

[Marcelo2988]

"Think players not plays." - Al Golden

 

[Coach Macho]

We have problems at Center and occasionally TE. Guys like Linder, Feliciano or Henderson are not the problem.

 

[rok]

It's still not too late to move Linder to center. McDermott is serviceable but we can do better.

Flowers-Felizcumpleanos-Linder-Bunche-Seantrel

 

[SFbayCane]

Good discussion, everyone. Thanks.


My random thoughts:


* Moar two back sets.

* 4-6 touches a game for Big Mo.

* Get an O line coach who has value in the market place.

* My concerns about about coach Coley's offense remain.

* Ufelony's front seven is probably the best in college football. Tough to put tooooo much on our O in that game.