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The REAL hole that we are trying to climb out of!!!!

Please stop acting like Nick stepped into a crappy situation at Alabama. That 2007 roster had 30 four star players and 2 five star players.

Alabama recruiting before Nick

2004 #24 according to Rivals
5 Stars (0)
4 Stars (4)

2005 #18 according to Rivals
5 Stars (0)
4 Stars (6)

2006 #11 according to Rivals
5 Stars (2)
4 Stars (10)

2007 #10 according to Rivals (I will count this simply because half of this class was committed to Shula)
5 Stars (0)
4 Stars (10)

Also Nick was able to step into a clear situation that was actually on the rise in terms of recruiting. Not one coach that you guys have mentioned walked into a already collapsing recruiting situation and on top of that was hit with a 3 YEAR NCAA investigation, just months after taking over, that further hurt the recruiting efforts. I understand that everyone wants this team to win and win now but my God lets be real for a second.

With the clean slate and outrageous budget that Nick has he is able to dominate the recruiting landscape. Miami will never be able to compete with Alabama or any other state school in terms of money. Nick Saban is the highest paid person in the entire state of Alabama, with resources that Golden could only dream of. There is a reason why Miami has traditionally been a stepping stone job and not a lifetime job, the money is and never will be available like other schools.

Nicks last 7 recruiting classes

2008 #1 according to Rivals
2009 #1 according to Rivals
2010 #5 according to Rivals
2011 #1 according to Rivals
2012 #1 according to Rivals
2013 #1 according to Rivals
2014 #1 according to Rivals

If you think he is bringing in these type of recruiting classes because he is a better salesman than you are clearly on drugs. Alabama can afford to fly their coaches to any kids school whenever and how ever many times they need to, to get the job done. Miami does not have that luxury.
 
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Nick Saban now makes more than 12 Division I departments spend

An average salary of $7 million a year through the 2020 season makes him the highest paid coach in college football by a huge margin.

It also puts his pay up there with the top coaches in the NFL.

The figure is also larger than the total expenses of 12 Division I athletics programs including Alabama A&M. Saban's 2012 pay of $5.54 million was, however, already ahead of the Huntsville school's budget of $5.51 million, according to USA Today's database of athletic spending.

It doesn't compete with the $11.1 million Alabama spent on athletics scholarships, according to the U.S. Department of Education analysis of athletic budgets.

For comparison sake, Saban's original contract at Alabama paid an average of $4 million over eight years.

His 2009 extension and raise bumped pay up to an average of $4.7 million a year.

The 2012 extension bumped his pay up to an average of $5.6 million, but the deal announced Friday includes the biggest raise of them all.

For more persective, the $7 million salary is:

-- Higher than the total head coaching salaries of UAB, South Alabama, Troy, Alabama State and Alabama A&M combined ($6.8 million).

-- The same amount budgeted for "The Godfather" (in 1972 dollars)

-- Would have made him the highest paid Major League Baseball player every season until 1995.

-- Almost equals the total Alabama spent on all coaching salaries in 2004-05 ($7.4 million) and would have covered the football pay for all coaches in 2008 ($6.8 million).

-- More than the combined expenses of all sports outside of football and basketball ($6.8 million).


http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/12/nick_saban_now_makes_more_than.html
 
I hope some of yall slurpers are gonna be as understanding when Al gets fired and him and his fam need a place to stay
 
Imo this is Al's make or break year. He's changed the team from entitled scrubs to lots of talent and heart all over the ball. **** trending, he better launch this team. No more excuses, get it done now.
 
waiting for goldenshowers to come in here and say the school doesnt care about football

very good post by the way, no sarcasm
 
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Why is Bama or USC even being mentioned in this thread?

clearly by looking at the tables I posted, the frequency of players from 2008-2010 were not major contributors over their 4 years here. Then add to the fact that almost half of the remaining players from 2008-2010 either never made it to campus, transfered, or were kicked off.

To be more clear-- our main problem is that we lacked talent and a lot of it. It also didn't help that almost half of our classes from 2008-2010 we non-contributors because they either didn't make it in, transfered, or kicked off.

For example: The 2008 class had 33 **** players and only 36% (12 players) were major contributors over their 4/5 year career. Just 4 players alone didn't even make it to campus and 6 transfered!

If AG can have a higher hit % going foward then we'll be in much better shape. I takes time to undo what Randy did. This roster had zero talent, zero depth, and zero accountability.

I would gladly analyze a Bama roster for you guys. I guarantee they have higher percentages and Saban had a nice roster to work with.
 
cane since birth said:
waiting for goldenshowers to come in here and say the school doesnt care about football

very good post by the way, no sarcasm
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Yep. Shalala. The Grinch that stole Miami football. Blew up our on campus stadium and state of the art facilities that lead to all our championships. Hates sports. Sits in her office all day trying to figure out how to **** the fans and community.
 
OBLIVION said:
I think what would add some substance to the topic. Is taking other big programs that went through long droughts for whatever reason and their turn around.

Oklahoma, 4 years leading up to Stoops being hired went 17-27. After going 7-5 his 1st season. Stoops won a NC title his 2nd season and played in 2 others in his 4th and 5th year. Also won 11 or more games a season in that span.

USC, 4 years leading up to Carroll being hired went 25-23. After going 6-6 his 1st season. Carroll went 11-2 his second season and was AP NC his 3rd season. Along with winning it in his 4th and playing for it again in his 5th. 7 straight season of 11 wins and more. After his 1st year.

Those are just 2 programs. That if you look further back than just the 4 years prior to the coaches above arrival. You will see that they have been bad for some time. Now i know it will be hard if not impossible to come up with the recruiting classes. For these 2 examples, because the **** wasn't popping like it is now, but i imagine those teams weren't loaded with talent.

I know that some will try to use the cloud and they didn't have Randy. The Shula/Saban 2007 class wasn't the greatest class either. Check out that class and see how guys panned out in that one. Alabama was put on 5 years probation and 2 year bowl ban in 2002. Shula best class was his last prior to getting fired. Now i didn't go in and look how those guys panned out from the 06 class, but shula wasn't exactly lighting **** up. That is another program that went through some **** prior to Saban taking over.

Maybe if M3N can or will he can use them as an example as to how they went through the Dubose/Franchione/Price/Shula and Ncaa drama to Saban and 3 titles in 4 years.
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Interesting. USC, OU and Bama are three traditional powerhouses that compare to the THE U--USC is the closest because of being smaller private school. USC and OU slipped their NC in while we were in the tank Dennis left. Actually, OU was gifted theirs by getting to play the criminole team we had beaten(does anyone think OU could have taken Dorsey and company--what did they score? 12 points. Bama's drought before Saban goes back to the NC Dennis gave them in the Sugar Bowl. USC's is still paying for Pete's cheating. Ok, Al is not nor is he likely to ever be Saban. But Stoops has not won and NC since the year BEFORE our last one. Do you really think he would still be coaching at Miami? We would have hung him just like Larry who went undefeated two years in a row, played for two NCs and won one.

I am glad you brought these examples up. They make me feel better. Those great programs waited longer than we have between NCs. It makes me more comfortable giving Al this year to show something and maybe even one more--although that would be a reach still. My Lord we were good. We won 4 NCs between OU's last two, one between Bama's and bookended 5 around USC's. Throw in that Bama's early one was against us and we beat OU in the year they won their early one, you can understand the standard we measure success by. Only Saban has measured up to it. Got to think he would have won 5 or 6 in a row with our old teams.
 
Were Saban, Carroll, and Stoops embattled in a 3 year long investigation with the NCAA when they took over their respective programs?
If not, don't bring them up in the thread. Thanks.
 
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All that shh is irrelevant for next season. Point blank. Period. This is Golden's team now. No more bull. None of that has anything.to do with our defense being historically bad. Our offense has been ok under the same conditions with different coordinators. Stop making excuses now. Enough. F national titles. Can he beat a real BCS team. Can he avoid getting blown out by FSU?..good coaches dont get blown out weekly. If your not talking about next season.....shut up. Randy Coker....None of it matters anymore 4th year.......4th
 
Hstokes1447 said:
Please stop acting like Nick stepped into a crappy situation at Alabama. That 2007 roster had 30 four star players and 2 five star players.
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Your stats are already flawed out the gate. he didn't have 30 4* and 2 5*. Michael Ford, Nikita Stover and Lorenzo Washington are all counted twice. Ford never made it in. So there goes three 4* and a 5* right there.

4* Chris Turner was a Juco that never made it in.

4* Chris Keys was dimissed.

4* Alex Stadler was no longer part of the team come Oct 07

4* Marcus Udell transferred to Mid Tenn

4* Chris Lett left the team

4* Michael Ricks went to Stillman

So that is nine 4* and one 5*. Dropping the total down 21 4* and one 5*. Including these guys here and the 3 star and below. You are looking around the area of 30 guys from 04 to 07 that were not part of the 07 team. This isn't even going into the guys that didn't contribute much from these classes. You also forgot to look at the 03 class, because that contained some 5th year seniors. Yet that wouldn't look good because that class was ranked 49th according to Rivals.

Is it the exact same situation, no. I didn't say that either. I said take teams that have been down for long lengths and see how they came to being back where they wanted.

Instead i get the foot stomping " they are not in the same situation. So you can't use them as guidelines" or "why are we even talking about those teams" drama. Trying to add some discussion here. People wonder why you can't have any debates to what is going on. Too much heal digging and agenda driven people.
 
RBhurricane87 said:
What could be said is that in those situations (Oklahoma, USC,...) the talent was there but the coaching wasn't, so once the "coaching" showed up, then you saw success.

In our case, neither the talent nor the coaching was there (2003-2010).

Now we have some talent, all we need is for the coaching to catch up.
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Well that could be said. If anyone has the recruiting rankings to back that statement up.

Oklahoma last double digit win season was 1987 prior to Stoops. They posted a 70-53 record during that span. With an average of 6 wins per season. That is an 11 year span of steady decline and 3 HC.

Our decline is a bit shorter. Only 7 years prior to Golden. We have posted a 53-35 record in that time frame. With an average of 8 wins per season. Now if you include the Golden years. We have a 75-50 record. Which still equals out to 8 wins a season. I understand it is one less season that OU.

Even through what some think is a far worse period. Than any other team has seen. We still have a better win % than the OU team that Stoops took over. Now maybe Golden is our Gary Gibbs. Maybe Gibbs did stack OU with talent. I can't really say because there isn't any recruiting site i have found. That goes back to the 90's. We all can look back in hindsight and say "there was some talent on that roster", but does anyone really know he had a loaded team. **** Stoops was no proven HC guru when he took the job. Like we can say of Saban.
 
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I have to agree. It's not to say that our situation did not have a lot of losses, but it's not like we are the only team to ever have problems like this. If you ran this test for all of the major programs in college football you might be surprised at what you find. The cloud was a huge negative for us, but it didn't kill our recruiting. It hurt us from getting top players, but we still recruited pretty well. Well enough to not be the laughing stock of defense.
 
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Everybody should agree that the talent inherited by Golden was dog crap. No reasonable person can expect significantly more wins with that lot. However, the talent has improved immensely. The results should follow accordingly. By results I am referring to performance on both sides of the ball. If not, time for Golden to hit the road.

For the record, I have not given up on Golden and am rooting for him to succeed. He's too smart not to realize where the talent gaps are on the roster and where the coaches are failing. This year should be telling.
 
talent is overrated when you are lacking in certain areas...
maybe we had 4 star DBs but with no front 7 they sucked too...
until we have 11 guys getting it and working at a team with leaders in each area

Chick up front
DP with the Backers
Deon or Dallas with the DBs

This year will be different...
 
moshated305 said:
Saban had Bama relevant again in his second year. They curbed stomped UGA during their "black out" and rode that momentum to a BCS appearance. Again, I have yet to see that type of "hope" under Golden. I am not talking about a season, just one game is all I am asking for against a top level team. We have improved in some areas but we have been embarrassed in big games largely becsuse his defense can't stop anyone.

Also, USC was a mess as well. They were awful in the 80s and 90s. What Carroll did there was remarkable. They lost 13 straight to ND and 8 straight to UCLA during that time period. Imagine Miami going through those type of losing streaks against UF and FSU. My point here is Miami's issues aren't weighted heavier than what other struggling powers have seen. Yes the cloud hurt but how is Penn State able to stay afloat facing some the worse sanctions CFB has ever seen?
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USC is a better comparison being a private school. State schools can almost always recover faster.
Carroll did a great job but being a former NFL HC was a big benefit.

I'm not convinced AG is a great coach, but we would have been hard pressed to find someone to gets through "the cloud".
Now I'm praying that he and D'O are better hat the last 1 years.
 
Wewillnotgopeacefully said:
Cane Dynasty said:
Admin doesn't give a fvck about football. That's why it's so hard to get these kids in.
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What the f*** are you, and the fool giving you the thumbs up, reading?
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What are we reading?...............Between the lines......btich...we are reading between the lines. Grow up child.

I would call you a dumb fvck but obviously you are much too obtuse to even grasp an elemental insult such as that. So I will not call you that.

Read between the lines...why do so many guys get signed and not admitted to UM....why do so many guys get kicked out of UM for schit that at an SEC/FSU/USC/OSU school would be laughable?

I would love to be able to call you out for the ******* dumb fvcker that you are.
 
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