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happen with the NOA.

Im not an attorney, so I dont know what the verbage will say. And I do think the NCAA along with most folk hate the U. But from a purely economic/drama perspective the NCAA is better off with a solid U than a roasted U. As much as I hate Fsu, UF, and ND cfb wouldnt be as compelling if they were serving a death penalty, for example.

I think that we have paid 3 post season game bans. That is unprecedented. Not that I have much respect for the NCAA as it is, but to have any additional post season bans would be completely unfair. Could it happen? Sure. Will it happen? Possibly, but any post season bans outside our 3 imo should be challenged.

We have reduced schollies, though it is somewhat tough to say exactly where we are. Because of that Im going to say we get no credit for reduced schollies. Itll be like we just played with less. Hope im wrong, but . . . I dont remember exactly what USC got, but the number 80-ceiling with 3-5 loss a year for two more years seems like the range of what we could expect.

This is all predicated on our true transparency with the NCAA and a judgment that doesnt say we lacked institutional control . . . btw all the crap seems so minor to me, I mean no kids lost all eligibility so could it have been so terrible, really?
 
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Show cause for Hurtt, Hill, and possibly others. 20 schollies over 5 years, removal of wins (who cares), some recruiting limitations (# of official visits deducted, etc)...no more bowl bans.
 
I usually don't weigh in on this stuff but..What does the NCAA really have? The scumbag Shapiro gave like what $1400 total which was all paid back and the guilty kids did the suspensions. The rest is all hearsay. Other schools have done MUCH WORSE things and received little or no penalties. Not saying we skate but, **** it we cooperated with the ******** and did the bowl ban stuff. It has taken so long for them to come up with The NOA I think they are not going to hammer us hard. I may be wrong won't be the first time.
 
Erase the entire period of ACC membership, force us to return to the Big East and remain in purgatory there for 5 years.

or

9 schollies over 3 years, show cause for coaches and 5 years probation.
 
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Yeah I forgot about probation. I actually think probation is a great tool for the NCAA and cooperating schools. Five years seems like a long time. I guess with UNC, USC, OSU, and PSU it just feels like we are at the bottom of the infraction list. I think it is worth discussing whether we or USC committed the bigger crime, but I think the other schools are far "worse" than what we did. The cover up at USC is bad ofcourse. I dont think the tat for sigs OSU deal was all that, until cover up happened. Academic fraud for gawds sake is far worse than some drinks on south beach.

It is going to really be interesting to see what transpires here very soon . . .
 
I think Frank Haith will be garrotted, Clint Hurtt will be castrated, and Aubrey Hill will be punished by being forced to live the rest of his life in Gainesville.
 
9-12 over three years...no more bowl bans

I believe that we can start the scholly reductions right now with the 2013 class
 
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21 over 3 years.
Show Cause for at least 2 former employees
5 years probation
Fine
Recruiting restrictions for two years

And perhaps worse than all that - at least more annoying - the media ****storm/speculation that explodes when the NOA goes public.
 
canecountry3 said:
21 over 3 years.
Show Cause for at least 2 former employees
5 years probation
Fine
Recruiting restrictions for two years

And perhaps worse than all that - at least more annoying - the media ****storm/speculation that explodes when the NOA goes public.
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thats pretty brutal
 
Bigtip said:
canecountry3 said:
21 over 3 years.
Show Cause for at least 2 former employees
5 years probation
Fine
Recruiting restrictions for two years

And perhaps worse than all that - at least more annoying - the media ****storm/speculation that explodes when the NOA goes public.
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thats pretty brutal
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They only things that would affect the football team are the Schollies and recruiting restrictions.

I'll take that to play in a bowl game with this team. Miami has a legitimate shot at 10 or 11 wins this year in the regular season. Might play in something better than the Meineke Car Care Bowl.
 
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20+ schollys lost is a massive hit. we could have players leaving with those kind of sanctions.
 
Ok, don't shoot the messenger, but here is a realistic perspective on what to expect based on precedent as well as latest tenor/approach to infractions cases coming from Indy . . . broken down by general athletic department sanctions, which impact all sports, and then specifically football and men's basketball


General athletic program, to include all sports, though specifically citing violations within the football and men's basketball, as well as possibly women's basketball
-- 5 years probation (way to keep Miami under watch and at risk of dreaded repeat offender status)
-- citation for lack of institutional control (sorry, hard to argue administrators were on top of things, starting with the late Paul Dee)
-- required upgrades to compliance, including reporting/monitoring structure, so that the Pee Wees and Nevins of the world don't go undetected. Also don't be surprised by mention that Miami in the past poorly monitored secondary things such as possible sale and dispersion of jerseys and other items from the equipment department (something which apparently has been recently addressed in-house by staff moves)
-- required semi or annual reports to be filed with the NCAA detailing educational efforts and progress reports - required to be signed off by the university president
-- required educational programs related to compliance/rules for athletic administrators/coaches
-- possible show-cause restrictions for former AD Holcutt, or at least citation for being asleep at the wheel
-- recommendation of more oversight by the president's office of the athletic department



Football
-- Scholarship reduction of 30 over 3 years (Identical to USC. Though Miami cooperated as opposed to SC, there are far more potential violations and thus the infractions committee will also remember Paul Dee's fateful words about a high-profile program needing to police itself)
-- 1 additional post-season ban (Miami has self-imposed 2, but won't get additional credit for taking self out of ACC title game. NCAA won't be impressed by 2011 self-imposing as it was of little potential merit and could be argued saved the school money)
-- Reduction in the number of official on-campus visits over the next 3 years (Paying for past failure to monitor)
-- Show-cause restrictions to include limitations on recruiting, etc. for several current and former coaches - among possible candidates: Barrow, Hurtt, Hill and Stoutland/Pannunzio, though this depends to a degree on the ex-coaches willingness to sing to the NCAA. Will be worth following to see who cooperated.
-- Likely citation for multiple secondary violations, perhaps even a slight slap on the wrist for Golden. Likely not a big deal.
-- Possible vacated wins, titles and erasure to the record book. The NCAA will undoubtly cite the failure of former players to accept its invitation to cooperate with the investigation. The question is how far they deem violations to go back and whether they'll try to make a case that Miami used ineligible players, etc. Again, unless you are a historian this isn't a program killer and who knows what numbers/games the NCAA will come up with.
-- Penalties may be harsher than some might expect as the NCAA won't be able to nail down all the alleged violations, but in the end Miami will be punished for its perceived Miami-ness.



Men's Basketball
-- Scholarship reduction over 3 years - possibly 3 total
-- At least one-year postseason ban
-- Recruiting restrictions, including the number of official on-campus visits
-- Show-cause restrictions against former coaches, Morton and possibly Haith
-- Possible vacated wins
 
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bacane said:
Ok, don't shoot the messenger, but here is a realistic perspective on what to expect based on precedent as well as latest tenor/approach to infractions cases coming from Indy . . . broken down by general athletic department sanctions, which impact all sports, and then specifically football and men's basketball


General athletic program, to include all sports, though specifically citing violations within the football and men's basketball, as well as possibly women's basketball
-- 5 years probation (way to keep Miami under watch and at risk of dreaded repeat offender status)
-- citation for lack of institutional control (sorry, hard to argue administrators were on top of things, starting with the late Paul Dee)
-- required upgrades to compliance, including reporting/monitoring structure, so that the Pee Wees and Nevins of the world don't go undetected. Also don't be surprised by mention that Miami in the past poorly monitored secondary things such as possible sale and dispersion of jerseys and other items from the equipment department (something which apparently has been recently addressed in-house by staff moves)
-- required semi or annual reports to be filed with the NCAA detailing educational efforts and progress reports - required to be signed off by the university president
-- required educational programs related to compliance/rules for athletic administrators/coaches
-- possible show-cause restrictions for former AD Holcutt, or at least citation for being asleep at the wheel
-- recommendation of more oversight by the president's office of the athletic department



Football
-- Scholarship reduction of 30 over 3 years (Identical to USC. Though Miami cooperated as opposed to SC, there are far more potential violations and thus the infractions committee will also remember Paul Dee's fateful words about a high-profile program needing to police itself)
-- 1 additional post-season ban (Miami has self-imposed 2, but won't get additional credit for taking self out of ACC title game. NCAA won't be impressed by 2011 self-imposing as it was of little potential merit and could be argued saved the school money)
-- Reduction in the number of official on-campus visits over the next 3 years (Paying for past failure to monitor)
-- Show-cause restrictions to include limitations on recruiting, etc. for several current and former coaches - among possible candidates: Barrow, Hurtt, Hill and Stoutland/Pannunzio, though this depends to a degree on the ex-coaches willingness to sing to the NCAA. Will be worth following to see who cooperated.
-- Likely citation for multiple secondary violations, perhaps even a slight slap on the wrist for Golden. Likely not a big deal.
-- Possible vacated wins, titles and erasure to the record book. The NCAA will undoubtly cite the failure of former players to accept its invitation to cooperate with the investigation. The question is how far they deem violations to go back and whether they'll try to make a case that Miami used ineligible players, etc. Again, unless you are a historian this isn't a program killer and who knows what numbers/games the NCAA will come up with.
-- Penalties may be harsher than some might expect as the NCAA won't be able to nail down all the alleged violations, but in the end Miami will be punished for its perceived Miami-ness.



Men's Basketball
-- Scholarship reduction over 3 years - possibly 3 total
-- At least one-year postseason ban
-- Recruiting restrictions, including the number of official on-campus visits
-- Show-cause restrictions against former coaches, Morton and possibly Haith
-- Possible vacated wins
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that is murder and we probably would lose our coaching staff. night night
 
Hey, I'm with you and hope I'm way off. Just a worst-case scenario should the Infractions Committee be out for blood. Really, the only big question or issue relates to scholarship numbers. Everything else is pretty manageable.
 
best case
times served on Bowls...

17 schollys over over 3 years

Fine

coaches hammered

Worst case
2 more bowl bands
30 schollys over 3 years
Huge Fine
coaches hammered

I lean in the middle..but something tells me the NCAA will hit us with a bowl ban just to make a point and look for schollys to be at least 15 for 3 years
 
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