The NCAA HAS commited extortion

[deleted1562]

dont personally attack me because you do not like what I say, perhaps you can respond with some intelligent, substantive response?

It has everything to do with the NCAA's investigation because it is the NCAA's investigation. If the NCAA had substantial proof to corroborate its claims then it wouldn't need the ex-players to speak up (assuming they actually did anything in the first place), so the rights that the ex-players have (in this case, to keep their mouths shut) are extremely important to the investigation and therefore the school.

This is all speculation though, and I'm not a lawyer, and no major media outlet (as far as I can tell) aside from some tweets and the Miami Herald have actually mentioned the existence of this ultimatum .

I can't imagine, if word gets out this is true, that the media doesn't demolish the NCAA for vastly overstepping their bounds.

 

[Picksix]

dont personally attack me because you do not like what I say, perhaps you can respond with some intelligent, substantive response?

 

[Scoot Scoot]

Well that got out of hand rather quickly. Just trying to be helpful.

 

[Tano]

dont personally attack me because you do not like what I say, perhaps you can respond with some intelligent, substantive response?

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I believe this gentleman has gone through a divorce or med mal case.

Shot in the dark.

 

[JHallCanes]

All fun and games till the lawyers show up

 

[weownfsu]

The NCAA did not commit extortion lol

 

[BigCaneAl]

I'm not following why players would have to sue. Wouldn't they just need to report this to law enforcement and then have the states attorney look at the case to see if criminal charges should be brought against the NCAA and the gator ***** for extortion?

Also, how can you not see malice? They are implying that they will impose more severe sanctions on the University if the players do not cooperate. While it is not directed at the specific player, there would still appear to be malice. It's like me threatening to harm someone you care about in order to secure cooperation. Sounds exactly like extortion.

 

[Tano]

I'm not following why players would have to sue. Wouldn't they just need to report this to law enforcement and then have the states attorney look at the case to see if criminal charges should be brought against the NCAA and the gator ***** for extortion?

Also, how can you not see malice? They are implying that they will impose more severe sanctions on the University if the players do not cooperate. While it is not directed at the specific player, there would still appear to be malice. It's like me threatening to harm someone you care about in order to secure cooperation. Sounds exactly like extortion.

Oh boy.

 

[BigCaneAl]

I'm not following why players would have to sue. Wouldn't they just need to report this to law enforcement and then have the states attorney look at the case to see if criminal charges should be brought against the NCAA and the gator ***** for extortion?

Also, how can you not see malice? They are implying that they will impose more severe sanctions on the University if the players do not cooperate. While it is not directed at the specific player, there would still appear to be malice. It's like me threatening to harm someone you care about in order to secure cooperation. Sounds exactly like extortion.

Oh boy.

Umm, thanks for the input.

 

[bg534]

Sounds like extortion to me. Whether there is a legal precedent to attack the NCAA with I don't know. But this is a form of extortion, whether the law recognizes it as such or not.

 

[Tano]

I'm not following why players would have to sue. Wouldn't they just need to report this to law enforcement and then have the states attorney look at the case to see if criminal charges should be brought against the NCAA and the gator ***** for extortion?

Also, how can you not see malice? They are implying that they will impose more severe sanctions on the University if the players do not cooperate. While it is not directed at the specific player, there would still appear to be malice. It's like me threatening to harm someone you care about in order to secure cooperation. Sounds exactly like extortion.

Oh boy.

Umm, thanks for the input.

Read any other post I've made in this thread, k thx.

 

[AlexCane]

Folks, there isn't extortion or blackmail here. I don't know where that got started, but it's silly.

 

[Dingaan1828]

Ya know, I was living in Lisbon in 1938. My family was living in Berlin, when one day I got a telegram from Gestapo HQ in Berlin. They said certain allegations had been made about me, and they wanted me to come to Berlin and answer the charges. They said that if I didn't, things would go hard on my family.

True story.

 

[weownfsu]

I'm not following why players would have to sue. Wouldn't they just need to report this to law enforcement and then have the states attorney look at the case to see if criminal charges should be brought against the NCAA and the gator ***** for extortion?

Also, how can you not see malice? They are implying that they will impose more severe sanctions on the University if the players do not cooperate. While it is not directed at the specific player, there would still appear to be malice. It's like me threatening to harm someone you care about in order to secure cooperation. Sounds exactly like extortion.

Oh boy.

Umm, thanks for the input.

You have lawyers explaining to you why this isn't extortion but you just keep ignoring it. It's okay, you and the other people who want this to be extortion (lmao) can keep convincing yourselves you're right if it makes you feel better.

 

[weownfsu]

I believe malicious intent is fairly easy to establish, however, generally a claim of extortion cannot be predicated on a threat to do an act which a person has a lawful right to do. In other words, this may not be extortion because the NCAA jerks have the right to deem the silence as an admission.

This is just one of the many ways the NCAA is garbage...they are blatantly and transparently claiming UM is guilty until proven innocent based primarily on the testimony of a vindictive swindler. The Herald has taken the right tone and needs to dig a little deeper and point the spotlight back at the NCAA rather than the U. I am not surprised by the NCAA--I think they applied similar tactics in their investigation of Reggie Bush--but it is appalling nonetheless that the former players are being strong-armed into testifying and potentially further incriminating themselves and the U.

It's a Canes thing, you wouldn't understand! Get the **** out of Miami you stinkin NCAA!

:|

No.

 

[Canesfan1899]

If this is how the NCAA is going to play it, Donna should pick up the phone and call the justice department and say "I know a billion dollar company that has no competition and blocks competition from entering the market that should be investigated for anti-trust violations."

Love this idea. We have more than complied with their investigation, now they try this and we give it right back to them.

 

[scrantoncane]

Very thoughtful insight throughout the thread, Tano. Solid work.

 

[Tano]

Look, the bottom line is that the NCAA doesn't abide by a "innocent until proven guilty" standard. This isn't a criminal case. If their regular practice and procedure for determining what goes into a Notice of Allegations is to take silence as an admission, then they'll do it ten times out of ten and let the chips fall where they may at the hearing with any circumstantial or corroborating evidence they have. In court, judges sometimes are allowed to weight a witness' silence or refusal to answer questions against him (note I am only saying that they can give weight to it). SO too may the hearing officials consider our former players' silence, but what they are not going to do is take silence as an admission of guilt, so this whole thing is moot in the end....The lawyers drafting the Notice of Allegations can take whatever the **** position they want. It's not going to mean **** if they can't prove it in the hearing, and they're going to get laughed out of the proceedings if their evidence is "Player X's refusal to cooperate in giving testimony." That's not evidence.

This isn't even a big deal. Chances are those things were going to be in the Notice of Allegations anyway, with or without the player testimony. But again, there's no malice here. It's more than likely in the regular scope of the NCAA infractions committee to include all allegations not responded to adequately in the Notice of Allegations, just to be thorough. What did you all expect them to do, just drop it on the spot and not pursue it? It'd be akin to a state attorney dropping a case during discovery because a witness suddenly went missing. That **** doesn't happen. It'll go to trial and if the state attorney can't prove his/her case without the witness, then the defendant skates. Same scenario here. THey can kick and scream all they want about how they'll take it as an admission of guilt, but that won't fly with the infractions committee at hearing anyway. If I'm a former player I casually throw up two middle fingers in the general vicinity of the NCAA and go about my business.

 

[sabrose]

I believe that if this comes to mediation this letter will help UM .Its embarassing to the NCAA. AS far as the extortion end of this if one looks at the Fla Statute it doesnt stipulate the setting of the action just its nature. If implying to damage some ones reputation based on the word of a con artist if they dont talk to you doesnt fit that statute -what does? There is harm implied here. Thats malkicious.

 

[DREW!]

Look, the bottom line is that the NCAA doesn't abide by a "innocent until proven guilty" standard. This isn't a criminal case. If their regular practice and procedure for determining what goes into a Notice of Allegations is to take silence as an admission, then they'll do it ten times out of ten and let the chips fall where they may at the hearing with any circumstantial or corroborating evidence they have. In court, judges sometimes are allowed to weight a witness' silence or refusal to answer questions against him (note I am only saying that they can give weight to it). SO too may the hearing officials consider our former players' silence, but what they are not going to do is take silence as an admission of guilt, so this whole thing is moot in the end....The lawyers drafting the Notice of Allegations can take whatever the **** position they want. It's not going to mean **** if they can't prove it in the hearing, and they're going to get laughed out of the proceedings if their evidence is "Player X's refusal to cooperate in giving testimony." That's not evidence.

This isn't even a big deal. Chances are those things were going to be in the Notice of Allegations anyway, with or without the player testimony. But again, there's no malice here. It's more than likely in the regular scope of the NCAA infractions committee to include all allegations not responded to adequately in the Notice of Allegations, just to be thorough. What did you all expect them to do, just drop it on the spot and not pursue it? It'd be akin to a state attorney dropping a case during discovery because a witness suddenly went missing. That **** doesn't happen. It'll go to trial and if the state attorney can't prove his/her case without the witness, then the defendant skates. Same scenario here. THey can kick and scream all they want about how they'll take it as an admission of guilt, but that won't fly with the infractions committee at hearing anyway. If I'm a former player I casually throw up two middle fingers in the general vicinity of the NCAA and go about my business.

Exactly!!

That is the end game. We all need to back away from the ledge for a minute.