The biggest problem on defense

[CanesAreAble]

IMO the defensive line is the most important unit on an entire football team. If you're weak there, you're probably not a good football team. Looking at our d-line roster:

2009 class

Luther Robinson (3-star): Mildly recruited DT. Been a career JAG. Finally passed the off-season conditioning test. Under normal circumstances, he gives your top-flight DTs a breather. He's not starting.
Curtis Porter (3-star): Shows flashes of ability at DT, but he's been snakebit by random injuries/ailments.
Shayon Green (2-star): Injuries and added bulk to play DE have robbed him of any quickness he had.


2010 class

Kelvin Cain (2-star): Plan D guy that Shannon recruited. He's bulked up from LB, and doesn't have any burst.


2011 class

Anthony Chickillo (5-star): Very solid DE, but not a superstar.
Jalen Grimble (5-star): Undersized DT. Many people pegged him as an overrated project in high school. Played against poor competition in Arizona. SC told him to kick rocks.
Ricardo Williams (3-star): Undersized DE. Needs time to bulk up.
Olsen Pierre (3-star): Lightly recruited DT. Committed to Golden at Temple, then followed him to Miami. Needs time to bulk up. Ideally he wouldn't be playing until year three, let alone STARTING.
Darius Smith (0-star): A JUCO DT that nobody else wanted. Golden had a month to put the class together, and needed bodies.
Corey King (0-star): Late signee at DT that nobody else wanted. Class-filler.


2012 class

Tyriq McCord (4-star) DE
Jelani Hamilton (4-star) DE
Dwayne Hoilett (3-star) DE
Jake O'Donnell (3-star) DE
Earl Moore (3-star) DT
Jacoby Briscoe (3-star) DT
Dequan Ivery (3-star) DT

There are some promising players in this class, but a team shouldn't be counting on true freshmen d-linemen to be anything more than spot contributors. Ideally they'd all redshirt. McCord, Hamilton, and Moore have all been forced to take a lot of snaps.

Our two-deep at DT:

Darius Smith
Olsen Pierre
Luther Robinson
Corey King

That's the core of the most important unit on the defense right there. How do you build a defense around that?

There is some promise in the 2011 and 2012 classes, but they're still young, weak, and inexperienced. It's simply going to take time.

For the people saying talent isn't the main issue, just take a look at the those 2009 and 2010 classes. Our upperclassmen are Porter, Robinson, Green, Cain, and Smith. And that's supposed to be the foundation of the defensive line. That is MAC-level talent right there. Real talk. Tell me that's an exaggeration. Our upperclassmen are a guy who's played like 5 games, a career JAG who finally passed the off-season conditioning, an overweight JUCO that had virtually no offers, and two 2-star converted LBs. That is NOT Miami talent!

You can scheme it however you want. When you're THAT bad up front, it don't matter.

We don't have the horses.

 

[Pennmed Canefan]

I agree with you in that our personnel is not very good. However, I don't think that it is much worse than 2007 for instance. I'd pose this question--why did Butch Davis fire Bill Miller?

The bottom line with Coach D is that at some point here we've got to see some improvement. Personally I wasn't expecting anything great out of this defense or this team. But as we get later and later in the season, at some point we need to see SOMETHING to suggest that next year might be different. We've got to see the quarterback actually hold the ball out of confusion for once. We've got to see somebody jump a route. We've got to see the passing windows squeezed. We've got to see somebody penetrate a run play and disrupt. If we don't see this by game 12, then why will first game next year be different? A lot of these guys have been in this system for a year. Is another summer going to be THAT meaningful? If we don't at some point do SOMETHING to suggest that we're getting better then it's basically 1998 Bill Miller.

 

[UM2020]

To compete at a NC level you have to have quality and depth on defense. We have to get to the point where we can redshirt kids and give them a year to grow. We don't have that right now and some of what we do have just isn't very good. Golden had to fill holes in his first recruiting class.

 

[1CN]

IMO the defensive line is the most important unit on an entire football team. If you're weak there, you're probably not a good football team. Looking at our d-line roster:

2009 class

Luther Robinson (3-star): Mildly recruited DT. Been a career JAG. Finally passed the off-season conditioning test. Under normal circumstances, he gives your top-flight DTs a breather. He's not starting.
Play at a back-up level

Curtis Porter (3-star): Shows flashes of ability at DT, but he's been snakebit by random injuries/ailments.
Who is this?

Shayon Green (2-star): Injuries and added bulk to play DE have robbed him of any quickness he had.
A starter b/c we've no one else!

2010 class

Kelvin Cain (2-star): Plan D guy that Shannon recruited. He's bulked up from LB, and doesn't have any burst.
(Not UM material, the truth hurts)

2011 class

Anthony Chickillo (5-star): Very solid DE, but not a superstar.
I like to see AC on WDE and drop about 5-10 pounds
Jalen Grimble (5-star): Undersized DT. Many people pegged him as an overrated project in high school. Played against poor competition in Arizona. SC told him to kick rocks.
He's a DE not DT not very good at either

Ricardo Williams (3-star): Undersized DE. Needs time to bulk up.
His time at U is almost up
Olsen Pierre (3-star): Lightly recruited DT. Committed to Golden at Temple, then followed him to Miami. Needs time to bulk up. Ideally he wouldn't be playing until year three, let alone STARTING.
very hard worker but he's a DE/DL not DT

Darius Smith (0-star): A JUCO DT that nobody else wanted. Golden had a month to put the class together, and needed bodies.
No talent,The plug plays like he 's on skates
Corey King (0-star): Late signee at DT that nobody else wanted. Class-filler.
plays hard question ceiling


2012 class

Tyriq McCord (4-star) DE
Jelani Hamilton (4-star) DE
Dwayne Hoilett (3-star) DE
Jake O'Donnell (3-star) DE
Earl Moore (3-star) DT
Jacoby Briscoe (3-star) DT
Dequan Ivery (3-star) DT

There are some promising players in this class, but a team shouldn't be counting on true freshmen d-linemen to be anything more than spot contributors. Ideally they'd all redshirt. McCord, Hamilton, and Moore have all been forced to take a lot of snaps.

Our two-deep at DT:

Darius Smith
Olsen Pierre
Luther Robinson
Corey King

:ibisroflmao:

That's the core of the most important unit on the defense right there. How do you build a defense around that?

There is some promise in the 2011 and 2012 classes, but they're still young, weak, and inexperienced. It's simply going to take time.

For the people saying talent isn't the main issue, just take a look at the those 2009 and 2010 classes. Our upperclassmen are Porter, Robinson, Green, Cain, and Smith. And that's supposed to be the foundation of the defensive line. That is MAC-level talent right there. Real talk. Tell me that's an exaggeration. Our upperclassmen are a guy who's played like 5 games, a career JAG who finally passed the off-season conditioning, an overweight JUCO that had virtually no offers, and two 2-star converted LBs. That is NOT Miami talent!

You can scheme it however you want. When you're THAT bad up front, it don't matter.

We don't have the horses.

This going to be a long week
UNC up nexts

 

[PensacolaCane]

Can't tell if we would have done anything to confuse the QB in the second half considering they did not pass the ball a single time.

I had never seen such a UM defense so unable to stop the run and I have been following for 40 years. In fact, I don't think I have seen any team with such a poor run defense. Players are young and not the most talented but I have seen better play with worse.

I agree with you in that our personnel is not very good. However, I don't think that it is much worse than 2007 for instance. I'd pose this question--why did Butch Davis fire Bill Miller?

The bottom line with Coach D is that at some point here we've got to see some improvement. Personally I wasn't expecting anything great out of this defense or this team. But as we get later and later in the season, at some point we need to see SOMETHING to suggest that next year might be different. We've got to see the quarterback actually hold the ball out of confusion for once. We've got to see somebody jump a route. We've got to see the passing windows squeezed. We've got to see somebody penetrate a run play and disrupt. If we don't see this by game 12, then why will first game next year be different? A lot of these guys have been in this system for a year. Is another summer going to be THAT meaningful? If we don't at some point do SOMETHING to suggest that we're getting better then it's basically 1998 Bill Miller.

 

[Cityboy4life82]

Now let me give you guys a dose of reality. Our struggles have nothing to do with talent. We can not use that excuse with so many potential NFL bound players. Yes young players make mistakes but you are not finishing 113 in total defense just because you are young. There is some bad coaching involved.

 

[PensacolaCane]

Now let me give you guys a dose of reality. Our struggles have nothing to do with talent. We can not use that excuse with so many potential NFL bound players. Yes young players make mistakes but you are not finishing 113 in total defense just because you are young. There is some bad coaching involved.

And who are these NFL bound players on our defense? Darius Smith?

No upperclassmen are assured of even being a free agent. At this time, much too early to make any assumptions about the freshmen.

 

[561Cane]

Combination of both. Miami's D has always been about the DT's. Today, we just don't have the talent at the position, and if we do, they are true freshmen. That said, the DC and DL coach need to figure out a way to bring more pressure. I don't think I've ever seen a UM team with no pass rush whatsoever....

Now let me give you guys a dose of reality. Our struggles have nothing to do with talent. We can not use that excuse with so many potential NFL bound players. Yes young players make mistakes but you are not finishing 113 in total defense just because you are young. There is some bad coaching involved.

 

[1CN]

Daruis Smith is not a very good football Player
Mcgee is late rounder
VT keep it moving
Robinson back-up at best

There is No upperclassmen NFL talent period....

True be told Coach and talent is the problem
MArk No D has a job to do
Right now he suck at it .

 

[NVA CANE]

IMO the defensive line is the most important unit on an entire football team. If you're weak there, you're probably not a good football team. Looking at our d-line roster:

2009 class

Luther Robinson (3-star): Mildly recruited DT. Been a career JAG. Finally passed the off-season conditioning test. Under normal circumstances, he gives your top-flight DTs a breather. He's not starting.
Curtis Porter (3-star): Shows flashes of ability at DT, but he's been snakebit by random injuries/ailments.
Shayon Green (2-star): Injuries and added bulk to play DE have robbed him of any quickness he had.


2010 class

Kelvin Cain (2-star): Plan D guy that Shannon recruited. He's bulked up from LB, and doesn't have any burst.


2011 class

Anthony Chickillo (5-star): Very solid DE, but not a superstar.
Jalen Grimble (5-star): Undersized DT. Many people pegged him as an overrated project in high school. Played against poor competition in Arizona. SC told him to kick rocks.
Ricardo Williams (3-star): Undersized DE. Needs time to bulk up.
Olsen Pierre (3-star): Lightly recruited DT. Committed to Golden at Temple, then followed him to Miami. Needs time to bulk up. Ideally he wouldn't be playing until year three, let alone STARTING.
Darius Smith (0-star): A JUCO DT that nobody else wanted. Golden had a month to put the class together, and needed bodies.
Corey King (0-star): Late signee at DT that nobody else wanted. Class-filler.


2012 class

Tyriq McCord (4-star) DE
Jelani Hamilton (4-star) DE
Dwayne Hoilett (3-star) DE
Jake O'Donnell (3-star) DE
Earl Moore (3-star) DT
Jacoby Briscoe (3-star) DT
Dequan Ivery (3-star) DT

There are some promising players in this class, but a team shouldn't be counting on true freshmen d-linemen to be anything more than spot contributors. Ideally they'd all redshirt. McCord, Hamilton, and Moore have all been forced to take a lot of snaps.

Our two-deep at DT:

Darius Smith
Olsen Pierre
Luther Robinson
Corey King

That's the core of the most important unit on the defense right there. How do you build a defense around that?

There is some promise in the 2011 and 2012 classes, but they're still young, weak, and inexperienced. It's simply going to take time.

For the people saying talent isn't the main issue, just take a look at the those 2009 and 2010 classes. Our upperclassmen are Porter, Robinson, Green, Cain, and Smith. And that's supposed to be the foundation of the defensive line. That is MAC-level talent right there. Real talk. Tell me that's an exaggeration. Our upperclassmen are a guy who's played like 5 games, a career JAG who finally passed the off-season conditioning, an overweight JUCO that had virtually no offers, and two 2-star converted LBs. That is NOT Miami talent!

You can scheme it however you want. When you're THAT bad up front, it don't matter.

We don't have the horses.

SMGDH. That talent is terrible.

Our defense last year improved from when the season started to when it ended. And significantly improved. We were close in every game last year. There is a reason why our defense has fallen off a cliff. No players or depth.

 

[razrcane]

IMO the defensive line is the most important unit on an entire football team. If you're weak there, you're probably not a good football team. Looking at our d-line roster:

2009 class

Luther Robinson (3-star): Mildly recruited DT. Been a career JAG. Finally passed the off-season conditioning test. Under normal circumstances, he gives your top-flight DTs a breather. He's not starting.
Curtis Porter (3-star): Shows flashes of ability at DT, but he's been snakebit by random injuries/ailments.
Shayon Green (2-star): Injuries and added bulk to play DE have robbed him of any quickness he had.


2010 class

Kelvin Cain (2-star): Plan D guy that Shannon recruited. He's bulked up from LB, and doesn't have any burst.


2011 class

Anthony Chickillo (5-star): Very solid DE, but not a superstar.
Jalen Grimble (5-star): Undersized DT. Many people pegged him as an overrated project in high school. Played against poor competition in Arizona. SC told him to kick rocks.
Ricardo Williams (3-star): Undersized DE. Needs time to bulk up.
Olsen Pierre (3-star): Lightly recruited DT. Committed to Golden at Temple, then followed him to Miami. Needs time to bulk up. Ideally he wouldn't be playing until year three, let alone STARTING.
Darius Smith (0-star): A JUCO DT that nobody else wanted. Golden had a month to put the class together, and needed bodies.
Corey King (0-star): Late signee at DT that nobody else wanted. Class-filler.


2012 class

Tyriq McCord (4-star) DE
Jelani Hamilton (4-star) DE
Dwayne Hoilett (3-star) DE
Jake O'Donnell (3-star) DE
Earl Moore (3-star) DT
Jacoby Briscoe (3-star) DT
Dequan Ivery (3-star) DT

There are some promising players in this class, but a team shouldn't be counting on true freshmen d-linemen to be anything more than spot contributors. Ideally they'd all redshirt. McCord, Hamilton, and Moore have all been forced to take a lot of snaps.

Our two-deep at DT:

Darius Smith
Olsen Pierre
Luther Robinson
Corey King

That's the core of the most important unit on the defense right there. How do you build a defense around that?

There is some promise in the 2011 and 2012 classes, but they're still young, weak, and inexperienced. It's simply going to take time.

For the people saying talent isn't the main issue, just take a look at the those 2009 and 2010 classes. Our upperclassmen are Porter, Robinson, Green, Cain, and Smith. And that's supposed to be the foundation of the defensive line. That is MAC-level talent right there. Real talk. Tell me that's an exaggeration. Our upperclassmen are a guy who's played like 5 games, a career JAG who finally passed the off-season conditioning, an overweight JUCO that had virtually no offers, and two 2-star converted LBs. That is NOT Miami talent!

You can scheme it however you want. When you're THAT bad up front, it don't matter.

We don't have the horses.

SMGDH. That talent is terrible.

Our defense last year improved from when the season started to when it ended. And significantly improved. We were close in every game last year. There is a reason why our defense has fallen off a cliff. No players or depth.

Smh

 

[frostycane]

That improvement came when all the Srs and Jr DL got back from suspension and injury, and a couple of freshman stepped up and also played well. So far this yr our older guys are the worst guys on this defense. I totally agree with the OP. This is the second game we have been POUNDED by an older stronger DL. Our Lbs made some plays just most were 3-5 yards later. For that many running plays to happen you should see some DL with a lot of tackles, how many did we have. I saw Hamilton make a tackle 12 yard off the LOS! But the kid is a freshman and it was the other side of the ball. If you run right at this defense with a better than average OL you will crush our soul! Again, I though DP, EJ, GP played a good game just not much to be done when your DL is getting pushed into you 3 yards off the LOS.

 

[Soul Cane]

I agree with you in that our personnel is not very good. However, I don't think that it is much worse than 2007 for instance. I'd pose this question--why did Butch Davis fire Bill Miller?

The bottom line with Coach D is that at some point here we've got to see some improvement. Personally I wasn't expecting anything great out of this defense or this team. But as we get later and later in the season, at some point we need to see SOMETHING to suggest that next year might be different. We've got to see the quarterback actually hold the ball out of confusion for once. We've got to see somebody jump a route. We've got to see the passing windows squeezed. We've got to see somebody penetrate a run play and disrupt. If we don't see this by game 12, then why will first game next year be different? A lot of these guys have been in this system for a year. Is another summer going to be THAT meaningful? If we don't at some point do SOMETHING to suggest that we're getting better then it's basically 1998 Bill Miller.

I agree with you on Coach D. And right now we're at a lower point on D than in 1998 w/ Bill Miller.

But I think the DL is significantly worse than it was in 2007. We haven't had a worse DL here since 1970.

 

[Dees Brown]

So what has change from last year to this year? Last this defense for the most was solid.

 

[ssj4cane]

We can't pressure anybody. Were probably gonna end the season with under 15 sacks as a team. It's not like where getting to the qb and not getting him to the ground either. We can't even sniff the guy most of the game.

 

[Saltycane]

We have boys at D Line, they need to sit and beef up and ideally they wouldn't see the field until their jr years.

 

[DemCanes]

Now let me give you guys a dose of reality. Our struggles have nothing to do with talent. We can not use that excuse with so many potential NFL bound players. Yes young players make mistakes but you are not finishing 113 in total defense just because you are young. There is some bad coaching involved.

Just look at UM's pre-snap alignments. When you're giving a team 7-10 yards because your defensive ends are pinched too far inside giving up outside contain, that's coaching. When your Dlinemen are are coming off the ball standing straight up, that's coaching. There is a lot of bad coaching involved.

 

[gongorad]

UNC back licking their chops. If they were smart, they'd bench renner and put in their mobile QB against us

 

[CanesAreAble]

I agree with you in that our personnel is not very good. However, I don't think that it is much worse than 2007 for instance. I'd pose this question--why did Butch Davis fire Bill Miller?

The bottom line with Coach D is that at some point here we've got to see some improvement. Personally I wasn't expecting anything great out of this defense or this team. But as we get later and later in the season, at some point we need to see SOMETHING to suggest that next year might be different. We've got to see the quarterback actually hold the ball out of confusion for once. We've got to see somebody jump a route. We've got to see the passing windows squeezed. We've got to see somebody penetrate a run play and disrupt. If we don't see this by game 12, then why will first game next year be different? A lot of these guys have been in this system for a year. Is another summer going to be THAT meaningful? If we don't at some point do SOMETHING to suggest that we're getting better then it's basically 1998 Bill Miller.

Hopefully we see improvement as the season goes on, but when simple dives up the gut net 3-6 yards before first contact EVERY SINGLE TIME, there's not a ton you can do. I underestimated the loss of Micanor Regis. He wan't a star by any means, but he was at least a BCS-conference level talent who ended up on an NFL practice squad. The guys we have now can't even play to a draw. It's some of the worst stuff I've ever seen.

 

[caneworld]

Don't care what talent we are missing compared to last few years blah, blah, blah.... we still have more talent than to be ranked 120th in the nation of D.