The Bank (8/15) (Camp Edition)

[TRick72]

Are you getting reps at 2nd team center?

If not who is ahead of you?

Finally are you finally on scholarship?

 

[CANEMC]

Bain is going to end up a 295 pound Reggie White type inside/outside guy when it’s all said and done. He’s going to be a menace.

Disappointing to not hear Harvey or Chantz mentioned but Mesidor, Kelly and Bain are on another level with Wayne chasing.

Just hoping Moss can grow into an effective P5 DE.

What's Moss weighing now? 220?

 

[DTP]

The Bank (8/15) (Camp Edition)

Heard similar things last year and that did not go well. No you literally didn’t. You heard the kids were having trouble getting open, catching the ball, and if Restrepo went down there’s nobody dependable behind him. Welp.

www.canesinsight.com

Also, if you wanna go the analytics route, Marshall was 12th in the country last year in adjusted defensive FEI rating. Miami was 66th.

They were 15th in F+ Defensive rating. Miami was 57th.

Also, just for some context, if you think this is just made up data, Miami's offense was 94th in F+ and 90th in FEI. So it sure seems like the math checks out to me.

Yup. Marshall's defense was elite or near elite in almost every defensive category last year. Only one team on their schedule averaged over 4 yards per carry or more against them.

Notre Dame averaged 190 yards rushing per game last year at 4.6 yards per carry. Against Marshall they had 130 yards at 3.5 yards per carry

 

[TRick72]

Wouldn’t be Miami without a report of a WR with inconsistent hands

 

[Pentagon Cane]

This is bull**** (nothing personal, just saying). Run defense is scheme and want-to. If you told me we play Wisconsin 12 times, maybe I buy this. But we don’t. Our kids can hold up against this trash juice ACC schedule.

Marshall had the #4 run defense in the country last year by YPG allowed and YPC allowed. They were e-leet against the run. Were they some massive front that couldn’t get pushed around?

They gave up 131 yards on 37 attempts against Notre Dame. 3.51 yards a carry. I think Marshall was slightly undersized up front compared to Notre Dame.

Georgia State ran for over 2500 yards as a team last year. They had 4 different kids that ran for over 450 yards. Against Marshall, they had 42 carries for 62 yards LOL.

Scout what the opposing team likes to do in the run game and fill holes with bodies. I’m not worried in the least bit about the season going in the ******* because we line up 7 in the box and just get washed out by Georgia Tech and UNC and NC State and Louisville. Come on. I wish we had 1 massive space eater inside too. But if the health cooperates, I’m not running and hiding from the run defense.

But, but, but we need a 1T war daddy! As if these dudes grow on trees. There are about a half dozen across the P5. It is about good run fits in Guidry's defense. Guidry's defensive front isn't about a spacer eat. It is about movement and burst.

We need to give our IOL some credit. We have an SEC all conference player at LG and a serious Rimington candidate at C. And a probable freshman All-American at RT.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Wouldn’t be Miami without a report of a WR with inconsistent hands

Bet you that is true in every camp across the P5.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

But, but, but we need a 1T war daddy! As if these dudes grow on trees. There are about a half dozen across the P5. It is about good run fits in Guidry's defense. Guidry's defensive front isn't about a spacer eat. It is about movement and burst.

We need to give our IOL some credit. We have an SEC all conference player at LG and a serious Rimington candidate at C.

Yeah, I would love Jordan Davis on this team. Wouldn't anyone? But I don't think it's necessary to be a good team in the ACC with the rest of the kids we have here.

Also, you mentioned Cohen and Lee, and I agree. But don't forget we also have a ******* bulldozer at RG guard too. I don't think our DL will be facing many interiors better and stronger than Cohen, Lee, and Cooper. Iron sharpens iron. If the interior of the OL wasn't having success, I'd be really shocked. Because I expect them to have a ton of success vs every team we play.

 

[JustAFanHTX]

@JustAFanHTX every time someone says Dawson wasn't the singular play caller at Houston, we should drink a shot

I hope you’re a tequila man

 

[305407cane]

I’m not falling for it for the 20th year in a row.

OC has not been good when he’s been the only play caller.
DC is a upgrade

QB has been good for less than 10 games. If he gets hurt again we have less depth than last year.
RB nothing like relying on Freshmen and RB’s who can’t go 4 games without injury. (But this unit is better than last year)
TE starter in NFL everyone else unproven or coming off injury
WR basically the same unit as last year that can’t get open.
OL is a huge upgrade

DE is better than last year but relying on boys to go up against men OL
DT is trash minus LT who really has 2 years of hit and cold (other teams will run us to death)
LB we are relying on 1 transfer to turn this entire group around
CB is way worse than last year. There have been zero camp reports that point to this group being any good
S the worst depth position on the team.

K another year always Helps here so this should be better
P definitely not better but no clue.

A loss to a bad team early or getting stomped by TAM could have guys watching for that nfl check and we’re right back in the same boat as last year. 8 wins, tops.

This is a take that is decent. But a little mopey. Branson Deen is a good player. You forgot him. Receiver is undoubtedly better. Even if we don’t have a true number one guy.

As far as coordinators go, I think our choices are good and we need to maintain some consistency year to year.

When you have returning players returning to a system you don’t have 5 coaches. You have 20.

 

[canecrazy23]

@D$ - thanks for the update! Anything with the following:
Citizen - injury, when ready?
Gore - 2nd team or 3rd team?
Stafford - Special Teams starter as Frosh?
C. Smith - anything?
C. Moss - 3rd team?
Who's our kickoff guys and punt returners?

Thanks as always...

Did RayRay return punts in HS?

 

[Bender]

I hope you’re a tequila man

I'll bring some German stuff, you'll like it

 

[LuCane]

But, but, but we need a 1T war daddy! As if these dudes grow on trees. There are about a half dozen across the P5. It is about good run fits in Guidry's defense. Guidry's defensive front isn't about a spacer eat. It is about movement and burst.

We need to give our IOL some credit. We have an SEC all conference player at LG and a serious Rimington candidate at C. And a probable freshman All-American at RT.

Don't you dare undersell Anez Cooper, sir. There were moments last season where he flashed the most talent of anyone on the field. What did he do this offseason? Completely re-work his body and conditioning while remaining 6' 5ish" 330ish. May we pull and trap people to absolute death this season. I want to see us do to opponents what FSU did to us in '22.

 

[Jaxcane4]

This whole NT debate is setting up to be the next war debate on here when the season starts. I do hope we have a good run defense and think we will but A&M, FSU, UNC, NC State and Clemson will be the real tests. I see all the stats but at the same time do we think it's going to be any adjustment period to learning this Defense. I saw the year before Guidry first year there they gave up 30, 40 and 50 points almost half the season. Again I like Guidry before i stir the hornets nest just seems like the first season to the second season were night and day as far as points given up and I'm assuming it was because they were learning the defense.

 

[The Sphinx]

I’m not falling for it for the 20th year in a row.

OC has not been good when he’s been the only play caller.
DC is a upgrade

QB has been good for less than 10 games. If he gets hurt again we have less depth than last year.
RB nothing like relying on Freshmen and RB’s who can’t go 4 games without injury. (But this unit is better than last year)
TE starter in NFL everyone else unproven or coming off injury
WR basically the same unit as last year that can’t get open.
OL is a huge upgrade

DE is better than last year but relying on boys to go up against men OL
DT is trash minus LT who really has 2 years of hit and cold (other teams will run us to death)
LB we are relying on 1 transfer to turn this entire group around
CB is way worse than last year. There have been zero camp reports that point to this group being any good
S the worst depth position on the team.

K another year always Helps here so this should be better
P definitely not better but no clue.

A loss to a bad team early or getting stomped by TAM could have guys watching for that nfl check and we’re right back in the same boat as last year. 8 wins, tops.

Disagree with your assessment of the DE, LB and CB units. But I agree this is an 8-4 team unless we are super lucky and everything goes our way this season.

You make it sound like 8-4 is a bad thing. That would show good year over year improvement. Anyone expecting anything more than that needs to put the Kool Aid down.

 

[Cookie917]

To be honest, I‘m not sure we’ll keep him period.

That is a fear for sure.... I commented on it when he had the setback. Kids not playing and stuck in the rehab room may get homesick/lose motivation. Does not appear he is at that point yet. Pretty sure Parrish is a 4th year Jr, Chaney is a 4th yr soph and if we lost both of them to the NFL (or injury or whatever) I would feel better about Trevonte sticking. Then he has Allen who is a RS Fresh, himself as a RS Fresh, Fletcher and CJ as TF.

 

[TheGreatMuta]

Like the energy of the young RBs, I'd like some news about how they are in pass protection because that’s what will keep them on the field.

 

[Memnon]

He was the play caller but its pretty fair to say he hasn’t had much successful without dana, time to prove that narrative wrong. Doesn’t mean he’s a bad play caller or coach its just been what has happened so far in his career

The only place where he was bad was at Kentucky with a HC who hates throwing the Ball.

Dawson has had Five 3,000+ yard passers throughout his tenure with two of them being over 4,000yds (Geno Smith & Clayton Thune). He even turned Clint Trickett into a 3,000yd passer & had Nick Mullens slinging it at Southern Miss.

I can't speak to his ability to recruit & develop a QB, but if you give him an established passer the likes of TVD he should do pretty well with him.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

I hope you’re a tequila man

I'm a beer man

 

[Cookie917]

I’m not saying we’ll have an elite run D but Guidry had a great run D at Marshall. Just go watch the ND game where his undersized defense held up fine against that massive ND OL.

Here’s the facts , we won’t be running a passive , conservative D like last year. We’ll attack and have the numbers advantage a good amount of the time. That alone will help make up for no big space fillers on the DL. We’ll be bringing pressure and much more aggressive. It’s about alignments and confusion around the los.

There’ll be plays we get out of lanes , or blitz away from the run causing long runs but as a whole I think we hold up ok. With our pass rush I would be fine being a middle of the pack run D.

The only reason people are freaked out about the run D is we’ve had multiple scrimmages where the offense ran the ball well. Btw I get the concerns but I also trust LG and his scheme. The d will play downhill.

Also Messidor has not played in either scrimmage... not saying he is entirely responsible for having a good Run D but having arguably your best player on the entire team, let alone the DL that is known as a hard setting edge def helps the run d and does not hurt it.

He changes the look of the entire DL.... Him, Deen, LT and Kelly/Harvey is much much different than Kelly, Deen, LT, Harvey (or sub in Chantz, Bain, Colins, or Wayne at any DE spot).

 

[JG13]

I’m not falling for it for the 20th year in a row.

OC has not been good when he’s been the only play caller.
DC is a upgrade

QB has been good for less than 10 games. If he gets hurt again we have less depth than last year.
RB nothing like relying on Freshmen and RB’s who can’t go 4 games without injury. (But this unit is better than last year)
TE starter in NFL everyone else unproven or coming off injury
WR basically the same unit as last year that can’t get open.
OL is a huge upgrade

DE is better than last year but relying on boys to go up against men OL
DT is trash minus LT who really has 2 years of hit and cold (other teams will run us to death)
LB we are relying on 1 transfer to turn this entire group around
CB is way worse than last year. There have been zero camp reports that point to this group being any good
S the worst depth position on the team.

K another year always Helps here so this should be better
P definitely not better but no clue.

A loss to a bad team early or getting stomped by TAM could have guys watching for that nfl check and we’re right back in the same boat as last year. 8 wins, tops.