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The Athletic: FSU, Miami and their long — and unsuccessful — courtship with the SEC

TheOriginalCane said:
1. The Gaytor
2. Geography
3. Overall strength

As someone who was enrolled at UM when we played our final "annual" rivalry games with The Gaytor, this means more to me than it means to a 20 year old Miami fan. I get it.

Geography would be nice, from an ease-of-travel standpoint. More games that are drive-able vs. fly-able.

The conference is strong. Very strong across football, basketball, and baseball.



I remember being in the Big East when our CLOSEST opponent was VaTech. It was hard to build emotional rivalries with teams so far away, and you'd have a chance to do that "the most" being in the SEC (and that's not a swipe at the Big 10, it's just reality).
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Solid. **** em! I’d prefer the B1G, and then knock the SEC off their perch… but joining them and winning it is fine too.
 
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JeddTheFisch said:
Joining the SEC would have been superior in every aspect to the contrived nonsense of the Big Least.
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Don't you remember how our basketball program was going to excel because we joined?

Constantine Popa was our key to success.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
1. The Gaytor
2. Geography
3. Overall strength

As someone who was enrolled at UM when we played our final "annual" rivalry games with The Gaytor, this means more to me than it means to a 20 year old Miami fan. I get it.

Geography would be nice, from an ease-of-travel standpoint. More games that are drive-able vs. fly-able.

The conference is strong. Very strong across football, basketball, and baseball.



I remember being in the Big East when our CLOSEST opponent was VaTech. It was hard to build emotional rivalries with teams so far away, and you'd have a chance to do that "the most" being in the SEC (and that's not a swipe at the Big 10, it's just reality).
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Our fans consistently gloss over one of the biggest reasons we struggle to fill the stadium (not tickets, but asses in seats): other than FSU (we play Clemson here too rarely), NO ONE BRINGS ANY AWAY FANS.
 
Hurracanes said:
Do not underestimate the pushback Florida did on not allowing Miami nor FSU to enter the SEC. **** em.

Thankfully, we don’t need neither of them.
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Funny enough that article says UF was actually the main driving force to get Miami and FSU into the SEC Pre-70s.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
1. The Gaytor
2. Geography
3. Overall strength

As someone who was enrolled at UM when we played our final "annual" rivalry games with The Gaytor, this means more to me than it means to a 20 year old Miami fan. I get it.

Geography would be nice, from an ease-of-travel standpoint. More games that are drive-able vs. fly-able.

The conference is strong. Very strong across football, basketball, and baseball.



I remember being in the Big East when our CLOSEST opponent was VaTech. It was hard to build emotional rivalries with teams so far away, and you'd have a chance to do that "the most" being in the SEC (and that's not a swipe at the Big 10, it's just reality).
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Amen on this.

You can hate the SEC – like it seems most of us here do — and still prefer it as a landing spot
 
JeddTheFisch said:
Our fans consistently gloss over one of the biggest reasons we struggle to fill the stadium (not tickets, but asses in seats): other than FSU (we play Clemson here too rarely), NO ONE BRINGS ANY AWAY FANS.
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VaTech has historically travelled well. But beyond that...

And keep in mind, I've had season tix on the away side for YEARS (Sections 117-119). I know who comes to Hard Rock and who doesn't.
 
calinative umstudent said:
Funny enough that article says UF was actually the main driving force to get Miami and FSU into the SEC Pre-70s.
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And from what Manny and others have written, UF wasn't in a position to block either FSU or UM in 1990, either, since the Noles and Canes were choices No. 1 and 1A for the 12th spot
 
calinative umstudent said:
Funny enough that article says UF was actually the main driving force to get Miami and FSU into the SEC Pre-70s.
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You may not (yet) be old enough to know this, but memories tend to change after 50 years.

"Main driving force"? Yet it didn't happen. Yeah, Florida might have said a few nice words, knowing full well the votes weren't there. But given all the OTHER stuff The Gaytor did to **** over UM and F$U over the years, I wouldn't put a lot of stock in that "main driving force"...
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
VaTech has historically travelled well. But beyond that...

And keep in mind, I've had season tix on the away side for YEARS (Sections 117-119). I know who comes to Hard Rock and who doesn't.
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Now 253

We bought up many of VT's tickets in 2017 based on the crowd.

Before that I remember them traveling well until 2013 or so. After that they've lost some interest.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I like both the SEC and Big 10.

Ideally, the SEC would take both Miami and F$U, and I'd be thrilled, but I think that's fairly unlikely.

I think UM and F$U to the Big 10 is the best I can hope for.
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FSU + Clemson seem like SEC locks.

Holding out hope ESPN helps us with Sankey and anyone else involved in making those decisions.

A B1G with Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, USC, Notre Dame, Oregon and Washington would be a helluva consolation prize

Just looking forward to the ACC jailbreak -- hopefully sooner than later
 
Hold My Beer said:
FSU + Clemson seem like SEC locks.

Holding out hope ESPN helps us with Sankey and anyone else involved in making those decisions.

A B1G with Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, USC, Notre Dame, Oregon and Washington would be a helluva consolation prize

Just looking forward to the ACC jailbreak -- hopefully sooner than later
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"SIXTEEN YEARS IN ****!"

Oh, I thought you said AC/DC Jailbreak...


 
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FuriousStyles said:
Oh… so in 1989 the SEC had the opportunity to add the team who just won the Natty… their second in two years by the way and their response was “Nahhh… let’s go with Arky and SCar”???

Got it. Makes total sense….

Maybe I’m just wired different but the idea of us begging or appearing to do so with conferences or recruits doesn’t sit right with me.

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In the past agree, but in today's environment we better start politely asking to join the B10 or we're going to get screwed ultimately. The SEC just isn't in the cards and the ACC has done nothing to add quality member schools
 
TheOriginalCane said:
You may not (yet) be old enough to know this, but memories tend to change after 50 years.

"Main driving force"? Yet it didn't happen. Yeah, Florida might have said a few nice words, knowing full well the votes weren't there. But given all the OTHER stuff The Gaytor did to **** over UM and F$U over the years, I wouldn't put a lot of stock in that "main driving force"...
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Well technically 74 years ago. Florida (lead the push), Kentucky, Georgia, Tennessee, and Vanderbilt supported Miami joining in 1949.
www.newspapers.com

Article clipped from The Miami News

Clipping found in The Miami News published in Miami, Florida on 12/10/1949.
www.newspapers.com www.newspapers.com

I'm not saying that has any bearing on what happened in the 90s to today. I'm saying it's funny that it happened.
 
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Let's win the corstal first b4 we go to another conference
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TheOriginalCane said:
1. The Gaytor
2. Geography
3. Overall strength

As someone who was enrolled at UM when we played our final "annual" rivalry games with The Gaytor, this means more to me than it means to a 20 year old Miami fan. I get it.

Geography would be nice, from an ease-of-travel standpoint. More games that are drive-able vs. fly-able.

The conference is strong. Very strong across football, basketball, and baseball.



I remember being in the Big East when our CLOSEST opponent was VaTech. It was hard to build emotional rivalries with teams so far away, and you'd have a chance to do that "the most" being in the SEC (and that's not a swipe at the Big 10, it's just reality).
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#1 I entirely agree with. Would be great to play the Gators regularly again. But the BiG has the largest media markets and better academic institutions (and it's not even close). I also believe national coverage will ultimately trump the value of geographic proximity. So in the long run they're the stronger conference, as well. JMHO.

It would definitely be much harder for the schedulers and for players in Sports that have 2 games or more a week, like basketball, though.
 
calinative umstudent said:
Well technically 74 years ago. Florida (lead the push), Kentucky, Georgia, Tennessee, and Vanderbilt supported Miami joining in 1949.
www.newspapers.com

Article clipped from The Miami News

Clipping found in The Miami News published in Miami, Florida on 12/10/1949.
www.newspapers.com www.newspapers.com

I'm not saying that has any bearing on what happened in the 90s to today. I'm saying it's funny that it happened.
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Still looking for hills to die on...

Look, the University of Florida has intentionally tried to **** over Miami and F$U for decades. That's a fact.

And you overlooked the inherent contradiction in the article anyhow.

---The guy didn't hear what UiF and UK said..
---But UiF and UK "made strong cases"...
---Except, "specific arguments for or against Miami never reached the floor"...

So...sure...Florida tried to get the SEC to talk about expansion.

It's like when someone pretends they are actually going to fight someone when another person is physically restraining them. It's all for show.

But, sure, a few SEC schools wanted to discuss expansion. And does anyone know why this was even POSSIBLY a discussion point just after WWII? Because just BEFORE WWII (1940), Sewanee had LEFT the SEC. So the 13-team SEC was down to 12-teams, which is where they stayed until GaTech and Tulane dropped out in the 1960s.
 
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