Team defense

[obcanes]

I keep hearing how we are ranked 108th in defense, but according to these two sites, our team defense (scoring) was ranked in the 70s-80s.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/1043/p2
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaadef

I see no reason why the defense can't shave 1 TD per game (23ppg) and get to the 30's next year. That's where Ohio state was at this year.

Score 1 TD per game more and move from 48th in scoring, to the teens. ( http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/1028 )

 

[Big Sky Cane]

http://www.statmilk.com/NCAAF/Team/415/?

This one says 120th in total defense.

You are referencing scoring defense. Two different animals.

 

[Chicken_N_Roffles]

We're 120th in Total Defense...a.k.a how many yards per game we gave up. Despite what Dorito's retarded *** wants to say, it is very important.

 

[Shogungts]

We're 120th in Total Defense...a.k.a how many yards per game we gave up. Despite what Dorito's retarded *** wants to say, it is very important.

I would argue that scoring defense is more important, but it's not like "70s-80s" is anything to be excited about. And the OP acts like shaving 7 points per game is something easy to do; if it was, you wouldn't be able to move from 70s-80s to 30s. I think the defense improves next year, but I still can't see anyway they are above 50s-60s at best (scoring or total) and even that is probably generous.

 

[Chicken_N_Roffles]

We're 120th in Total Defense...a.k.a how many yards per game we gave up. Despite what Dorito's retarded *** wants to say, it is very important.

I would argue that scoring defense is more important, but it's not like "70s-80s" is anything to be excited about. And the OP acts like shaving 7 points per game is something easy to do; if it was, you wouldn't be able to move from 70s-80s to 30s. I think the defense improves next year, but I still can't see anyway they are above 50s-60s at best (scoring or total) and even that is probably generous.

Obviously, the score is the ultimate decider in who wins. But to say that's the only thing that matters is stupid. If you're giving up that many yards, that means there's gonna be more opportunities for the opposing offense to score. It means your defense is on the field way too much and getting worn down quickly. And conversely, it means you're offense is probably getting ****** field position all day long, making it harder for them to score.

 

[Shogungts]

We're 120th in Total Defense...a.k.a how many yards per game we gave up. Despite what Dorito's retarded *** wants to say, it is very important.

I would argue that scoring defense is more important, but it's not like "70s-80s" is anything to be excited about. And the OP acts like shaving 7 points per game is something easy to do; if it was, you wouldn't be able to move from 70s-80s to 30s. I think the defense improves next year, but I still can't see anyway they are above 50s-60s at best (scoring or total) and even that is probably generous.

Obviously, the score is the ultimate decider in who wins. But to say that's the only thing that matters is stupid. If you're giving up that many yards, that means there's gonna be more opportunities for the opposing offense to score. It means your defense is on the field way too much and getting worn down quickly. And conversely, it means you're offense is probably getting ****ty field position all day long, making it harder for them to score.

I'm not defending how ****** our defense was, but like most things, it's not totally black and white; the offense can certainly play a role as well. Both scoring too fast or giving the ball back to the other team quickly can lead to inflated defensive stats (especially yards, but potentially scoring as well). Now, while I dont think the defense was very good by any means, the style of offense we played this year didn't do them any favors. Supporting discussion on this was discussed by both Golden and on this board (Lucane, among others). By all means, the defense was terrible, but I do believe the numbers (yard wise anyway) were somewhat inflated by our style of offense.

 

[Chicken_N_Roffles]

We're 120th in Total Defense...a.k.a how many yards per game we gave up. Despite what Dorito's retarded *** wants to say, it is very important.

I would argue that scoring defense is more important, but it's not like "70s-80s" is anything to be excited about. And the OP acts like shaving 7 points per game is something easy to do; if it was, you wouldn't be able to move from 70s-80s to 30s. I think the defense improves next year, but I still can't see anyway they are above 50s-60s at best (scoring or total) and even that is probably generous.

Obviously, the score is the ultimate decider in who wins. But to say that's the only thing that matters is stupid. If you're giving up that many yards, that means there's gonna be more opportunities for the opposing offense to score. It means your defense is on the field way too much and getting worn down quickly. And conversely, it means you're offense is probably getting ****ty field position all day long, making it harder for them to score.

I'm not defending how ****** our defense was, but like most things, it's not totally black and white; the offense can certainly play a role as well. Both scoring too fast or giving the ball back to the other team quickly can lead to inflated defensive stats (especially yards, but potentially scoring as well). Now, while I dont think the defense was very good by any means, the style of offense we played this year didn't do them any favors. Supporting discussion on this was discussed by both Golden and on this board (Lucane, among others). By all means, the defense was terrible, but I do believe the numbers (yard wise anyway) were somewhat inflated by our style of offense.

Style of offense didn't also make us the 97th ranked defense in yards/play, which is probably the best indicator. We just flat out suck.

 

[NorthFlaCane]

The defense can improve tremendously next year. We're returning 10 starters, 1 JUCO All American, 6 redshirt freshman, and a bevy of recruits. It will be the first time that many of the players on defense have participated in spring football (McCord, Ivery, Moore, Blue, Terry, Jenkins, Bush, Howard, Dortch, Crawford). We'll be a deeper team, relying on fewer true freshman.

The key to all of this is Curtis Porter coming back and staying healthy. If he does that, we can put a respectable defensive line around him, our defense will improve tremendously.

 

[canecountry3]

Miami's D is going to be better than last year. People seem to forget that 2012 was the first year of significant playing time for basically everyone except Perryman, McGee, and Chickillo, and Gaines.

 

[AzureCane]

total defense and scoring defense are very different animals, but i dont think that either one tells the whole story. for me, scoring defense is more important because we can give up yards by the bucket, but if we dont allow points, those yards allowed dont mean much. either way, i still think we need help on defense though

 

[AzureCane]

Miami's D is going to be better than last year. People seem to forget that 2012 was the first year of significant playing time for basically everyone except Perryman, McGee, and Chickillo, and Gaines.

i agree. i think 2014 is actually gonna be our year on defense, we will have alot of experience on defense.

 

[caneforever]

I hope chick comes into next season as a guy with something to prove. If he steps up his game, a healthy Porter, maturity of the returners, and sprinkle in a recruit or two, we could easily have a much improved defense across all statistical categories,

 

[iLIKEDADE!]

I'm amazed in how some guys are still defending this cluster**** of a coach in D'Onofrio

 

[gongorad]

does it really matter? we were still torched all season...

 

[umhurricano]

Think about how often we got teams to third down and then let them get a first. Scoring defense was better than total defense because our third down zone was more effective in a compressed field.

I like the OP's point, which is that with a small amount of improvement our D looks much better (two touchdowns less over the course of the season and we are a 9-3 team). I am even more focused on those third downs. A lot of ifs, but if CP stays healthy, one other D tackle steps up (and given the way Golden seems to get at least one player at every position to come out of the woodwork each year, I have faith it will happen), and we get one end that can rush (or hybrid LB/DE), we cut the third down conversion dramatically, which will help our D tremendously.

We are very close to an elite secondary with the talent we have. Same goes for linebackers. Each group being better helps the other groups. Al has proven that he can take areas of weakness (people were worried about our oline and receivers last year), and turn them around if given an offseason and recruiting class. He will do the same with the Dline.

 

[rayray]

the defense should be better but i wouldn't have that high of hopes. there's just a dearth of talent on that side of the ball. we play too many players that would never get on the field for teams with top 15 defenses.

 

[AzureCane]

I'm amazed in how some guys are still defending this cluster**** of a coach in D'Onofrio

two years ago when he had a defense comprised largely of experienced upperclassmen and we had a top 25 defense, were you bashing him and saying he was a "cluster**** of a coach"??

 

[JHallCanes]

We're 120th in Total Defense...a.k.a how many yards per game we gave up. Despite what Dorito's retarded *** wants to say, it is very important.

Yeah you can start making arguments when you are talking top 20 or teams lurking in there somewhere. But when it's 120....you don't have **** to stand on.

 

[AzureCane]

We're 120th in Total Defense...a.k.a how many yards per game we gave up. Despite what Dorito's retarded *** wants to say, it is very important.

Yeah you can start making arguments when you are talking top 20 or teams lurking in there somewhere. But when it's 120....you don't have **** to stand on.

rankings by themselves dont mean anything, you need to look deeper to see what is behind those rankings. defensive stats are no different than recruiting rankings. in 2008 randy shannon had a top rated recruiting class, but that meant nothing because he was unable to get anything out of them. we had a defense that was ranked in the bottom 5% this past year, but why did that happen? it happened because we were forced to rely on young kids that were undersized and inexperienced. those are two things that are typically not a recipe for defensive success. when you have that many young kids and are playing true frosh DEs that weigh 235 pounds, having vince lombardi as your DC wouldnt make a difference. last year was basically a throw away year on defense that was ugly then but will be good for the future

 

[JHallCanes]

We're 120th in Total Defense...a.k.a how many yards per game we gave up. Despite what Dorito's retarded *** wants to say, it is very important.

Yeah you can start making arguments when you are talking top 20 or teams lurking in there somewhere. But when it's 120....you don't have **** to stand on.

rankings by themselves dont mean anything, you need to look deeper to see what is behind those rankings. defensive stats are no different than recruiting rankings. in 2008 randy shannon had a top rated recruiting class, but that meant nothing because he was unable to get anything out of them. we had a defense that was ranked in the bottom 5% this past year, but why did that happen? it happened because we were forced to rely on young kids that were undersized and inexperienced. those are two things that are typically not a recipe for defensive success. when you have that many young kids and are playing true frosh DEs that weigh 235 pounds, having vince lombardi as your DC wouldnt make a difference. last year was basically a throw away year on defense that was ugly then but will be good for the future

I'm not a D hater. I basically plugged my ears and covered my eyes when we were on defense last year.

That said. 120.....yeah 120 matters. 120 matters A LOT going into next season.