Talent level on defense

[DiegoCane]

Sure it's not the most talented group. But guys are being put in a position to fail. Most defensive coaches try to play to the strengths of their players, ours do the opposite. Are we really expecting Perryman to cover a WR 1 on 1 in space and succeed? Some of the matchup a ****** offense like VTech exploited were a joke, you had to laugh at how bad it was

No team, including VT last night, runs anything that complex against us. FSU was competing simple routes with no one around for 15 yards. Wake was doing the same.

Agreed. It's simple stuff for opposing offenses. We are so predictable, offense don't have to adjust at all. They know how to exploit us before the game and bury us for 60 minutes with simple concepts. No idea how 2 defensive coaches, Golden and D, think our scheme is a good way to attack offenses.

 

[KANE]

Talent is an issue vs. the likes of the f$u's of the world, but we have enough Defensive talent to beat Vtech. Either our DC is a moron, that has problems explaining his "d" to the players, or our players are a bunch of morons and can't fully understand his "defense"! Talent is not letting WRs run wide **** open ALL NIGHT!!! Talent is not letting the same rb get open in the flats on the same **** play, in the same situation over and over and over! That's an INTELLIGENCE ISSUE! So who's the dumbass? Players or doNOfrio? Its a helluva lot easier to get rid of ONE coach than it is to get rid of about 18 players. The question is do Al pull the trigger?

 

[jdmorgan76]

Sure it's not the most talented group. But guys are being put in a position to fail. Most defensive coaches try to play to the strengths of their players, ours do the opposite. Are we really expecting Perryman to cover a WR 1 on 1 in space and succeed? Some of the matchup a ****** offense like VTech exploited were a joke, you had to laugh at how bad it was

No team, including VT last night, runs anything that complex against us. FSU was competing simple routes with no one around for 15 yards. Wake was doing the same.

Agreed. It's simple stuff for opposing offenses. We are so predictable, offense don't have to adjust at all. They know how to exploit us before the game and bury us for 60 minutes with simple concepts. No idea how 2 defensive coaches, Golden and D, think our scheme is a good way to attack offenses.

That's just it, they don't attack opposing offenses, they just allow the other team to dictate all game long, hoping for an unforced error.....

 

[Coach Macho]

Something I noticed during the game that made me SMH...

VT killed us with play-action roll-outs. The QB would PA and the Fullback/H-Back would run to the flats. A simple dump off pass to the wide open H-back in the flats would go for atleast 15 yards. VT killed us with this a number of times.

We ran that same exact play a couple times as well but VT killed it. They tackled Walford as soon as he caught the ball.

Same exact offensive play. Two totally different defenses.

 

[LVCanesfan]

I've been watching that shallow cross be WIDE open since the NC game. That's not talent, its the design of the defense. Its been going on longer, but that's when I noticed it

Exactly. Not even trying to fix it. I mean, you know exactly what the offense is going to do, why not change things up to stop it. I am getting very tired seeing every offense we face do the same things over and over and scoring. I think 95% of us on this board see it and could change the defense to stop it. ****, if I was getting paid Coach D's salary, I would be finding a way to do so. I don't care if it's Golden's Defense or not.

 

[ssj4cane]

We don't have the talent to be an elite defense. I think most people can agree to that but we do have the talent to be more competitive than 500 yards a game vs conference opponents. I wanted to believe it was all talent last year. I wanted to believe it was FSU and their superiority talent wise. Then Va Tech sticks it in and breaks it off for 550 yards and 42 points. Average *** WRs and RBs with a mistake prone inaccurate qb hit me with a giant dose of reality.

 

[Distructobot3000]

Please stop. Do we really need to overwhelm crap teams like WF, UNC, VT, ect. with talent in order to cover simple crossing routes over the middle, check-down/swing passes to the rb, mis-direction passes to the opposing team's TE's and rb's in the flats and not have the guy receiving the pass be able to turn up-field and encounter a defender for a good 10-15 yards on a consistent basis?

My God, dating back to this staff's 1st game here vs Maryland these same problems have persisted. I'm sick and tired of getting gashed by **** offenses on the most basic of plays every **** week and being flabbergasted that the same **** **** is being run by our next week's opponent with the same absurd success. Team's with far less talent than us have caused far more disruption on defense when playing against common opponents. If it is a requirement that Coach D's scheme needs better talent than the opposition in order to be successful then what does that say about him as a D coordinator? To me it says that on a level playing field Coach D is overmatched Big Time vs the other team's O-coordinator and needs a handicap in order to have success. The kid's on this team deserve better than that and, as fans, there is nothing wrong with expecting more than that....

 

[ssj4cane]

Something I noticed during the game that made me SMH...

VT killed us with play-action roll-outs. The QB would PA and the Fullback/H-Back would run to the flats. A simple dump off pass to the wide open H-back in the flats would go for atleast 15 yards. VT killed us with this a number of times.

We ran that same exact play a couple times as well but VT killed it. They tackled Walford as soon as he caught the ball.


Same exact offensive play. Two totally different defenses.

Swap DCs and scheme and its a comfortable double digit win at least for the good guys. I truly believe that.

 

[BrianF]

Something I noticed during the game that made me SMH...

VT killed us with play-action roll-outs. The QB would PA and the Fullback/H-Back would run to the flats. A simple dump off pass to the wide open H-back in the flats would go for atleast 15 yards. VT killed us with this a number of times.

We ran that same exact play a couple times as well but VT killed it. They tackled Walford as soon as he caught the ball.

Same exact offensive play. Two totally different defenses.

They also killed us with 3rd down crossing routes. Where our defense is in zone, players are trying to get pressure, but get there too late and there is a wide open man every time.

It the scheme, we need to play man on those types of plays and play the right players to stay in man coverage.

 

[OMG618]

Something I noticed during the game that made me SMH...

VT killed us with play-action roll-outs. The QB would PA and the Fullback/H-Back would run to the flats. A simple dump off pass to the wide open H-back in the flats would go for atleast 15 yards. VT killed us with this a number of times.

We ran that same exact play a couple times as well but VT killed it. They tackled Walford as soon as he caught the ball.

Same exact offensive play. Two totally different defenses.

This is true, the PA Boot was open time and time again, but is that scheme or the OLB/SS continuing to bite on the run?

 

[Coach Macho]

Something I noticed during the game that made me SMH...

VT killed us with play-action roll-outs. The QB would PA and the Fullback/H-Back would run to the flats. A simple dump off pass to the wide open H-back in the flats would go for atleast 15 yards. VT killed us with this a number of times.

We ran that same exact play a couple times as well but VT killed it. They tackled Walford as soon as he caught the ball.

Same exact offensive play. Two totally different defenses.

This is true, the PA Boot was open time and time again, but is that scheme or the OLB/SS continuing to bite on the run?

I can't say, but VT's defense didn't bite.

 

[OMG618]

Something I noticed during the game that made me SMH...

VT killed us with play-action roll-outs. The QB would PA and the Fullback/H-Back would run to the flats. A simple dump off pass to the wide open H-back in the flats would go for atleast 15 yards. VT killed us with this a number of times.

We ran that same exact play a couple times as well but VT killed it. They tackled Walford as soon as he caught the ball.

Same exact offensive play. Two totally different defenses.

This is true, the PA Boot was open time and time again, but is that scheme or the OLB/SS continuing to bite on the run?

I can't say, but VT's defense didn't bite.

Why would they? We had -2 (?) yards rushing in the first half and were down two to three scores in the 2nd.

 

[Coach Macho]

Something I noticed during the game that made me SMH...

VT killed us with play-action roll-outs. The QB would PA and the Fullback/H-Back would run to the flats. A simple dump off pass to the wide open H-back in the flats would go for atleast 15 yards. VT killed us with this a number of times.

We ran that same exact play a couple times as well but VT killed it. They tackled Walford as soon as he caught the ball.

Same exact offensive play. Two totally different defenses.

This is true, the PA Boot was open time and time again, but is that scheme or the OLB/SS continuing to bite on the run?

I can't say, but VT's defense didn't bite.

Why would they? We had -2 (?) yards rushing in the first half and were down two to three scores in the 2nd.

Doesn't matter. That's not how a defender thinks as a play is developing.

LB's aren't saying "they only have 2 yards rushing so I'm not gonna bite on this play-action."

You have keys and you read your keys regardless of how many yards an offense has. The difference here is that VT's defense is well-coached and are in the right spots.

 

[Notsince1985]

The talent is not great on defense, but it doesn't matter. The scheme sucks, plain and simple. A better scheme would probably mask the crap that is Highsmith, Gaines and some others, but we have the worst defensive scheme out there so it makes our mediocre talent look 10X worse (and it's not good to begin with).

 

[Pennmed Canefan]

The talent is quite bad but as I said elsewhere the biggest problem is execution. And if you can't get a veteran to execute, there's no reason to think that a younger more talented guy will. We can't defend VT as well as Duke can. We don't have worse talent than Duke, but our guys clearly have no idea what they are doing on defense. You get the feeling the coaches are always chasing bad execution instead of backing up and asking the fundamental question of why guys aren't executing.

 

[TexasCane90]

Fire Dorito. Golden needs to cut the crap with him cause dude flat out sucks. Cut the crap about talent we have good jimmies and joes but we put them in horrible spots

 

[OMG618]

Something I noticed during the game that made me SMH...

VT killed us with play-action roll-outs. The QB would PA and the Fullback/H-Back would run to the flats. A simple dump off pass to the wide open H-back in the flats would go for atleast 15 yards. VT killed us with this a number of times.

We ran that same exact play a couple times as well but VT killed it. They tackled Walford as soon as he caught the ball.

Same exact offensive play. Two totally different defenses.

This is true, the PA Boot was open time and time again, but is that scheme or the OLB/SS continuing to bite on the run?

I can't say, but VT's defense didn't bite.

Why would they? We had -2 (?) yards rushing in the first half and were down two to three scores in the 2nd.

Doesn't matter. That's not how a defender thinks as a play is developing.

LB's aren't saying "they only have 2 yards rushing so I'm not gonna bite on this play-action."

You have keys and you read your keys regardless of how many yards an offense has. The difference here is that VT's defense is well-coached and are in the right spots.

My point was to illustrate the OLB doesn't need to be in hero-mode, nor does a SS in the box, since his front-4 has things under control. Conversely those issues do plague us and may be the reason the OLB seems to be consistently out of position but I don't know for sure.

At first we started on scheme, then you stated the players are poorly coached as well. So in your opinion it's both?

 

[CanesAreAble]

The talent is quite bad but as I said elsewhere the biggest problem is execution. And if you can't get a veteran to execute, there's no reason to think that a younger more talented guy will. We can't defend VT as well as Duke can. We don't have worse talent than Duke, but our guys clearly have no idea what they are doing on defense. You get the feeling the coaches are always chasing bad execution instead of backing up and asking the fundamental question of why guys aren't executing.

Agree.

Execution is the biggest problem. Part of that is talent, and part of that is teaching.

Why aren't our guys grasping such simple concepts? I don't know the answer. The puzzling thing is Golden and D'Onofrio were able to get players at Temple to play smarter than this. And I reject the premise that South Florida players are too dumb to understand the defense.

 

[OMG618]

The talent is not great on defense, but it doesn't matter. The scheme sucks, plain and simple. A better scheme would probably mask the crap that is Highsmith, Gaines and some others, but we have the worst defensive scheme out there so it makes our mediocre talent look 10X worse (and it's not good to begin with).

That's just it, I don't think so especially with a below average front. Posters keep on hating on Chick, Gaines, Armbrister, Cornelius...etc but those guys are, in a nutshell, our front 7. How is defense not going to get exposed without the ability to attack with the players closest to the LOS?

And for shyts and giggles let's make that defense, after forcing two punts to start the game, play on a short field after 3 quick-change turnovers. Not a good recipe.

 

[Bpayne32]

It's not Doritos fault we bite on play action every time
It's not Doritos fault when we go man to man our guys manage to leave a receiver wide open
It's not his fault when we sent 5 and 6 we never got to the quarterback !!!!!
It's called lack of talent and execution