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Take 2… (another Mario isn't the guy thread, with some Lane isn't it either sprinkled in)

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Damiencane86 said:
Much easier to say we're gonna fail with Mario/Lane and not offer an alternative candidate vs sacking up and making an actual suggestion with any conviction
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OP at the bar - “see those 2 hot girls at the bar? I am going to take them both home and… well, I don’t know….. I can’t imagine what I will do.”
 
PIPO said:
OP at the bar - “see those 2 hot girls at the bar? I am going to take them both home and… well, I don’t know….. I can’t imagine what I will do.”
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OP, " neither of those two hot chicks is good enough for us to even approach " Me, " well whose good enough then " ? OP then walks away without saying a word
 
for those who think Mark Stoops is the best candidate: what has he done and why has he been at Kentucky for a decade? I'm seriously curious.
 
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Nobody's perfect but Manny has zero areas where he's done well. His portal "abilities" are a direct effect of his recruiting failures.

Cherry picking the flaws, real or alleged, of potential candidates seems like a cry for attention. Either Mario, Lane or Stoops are exponentially better options than the ****show we've witnessed over the last 15 years and especially during Mannys tenure. I'm all for letting the new AD figuring this out and trusting this is a step in the right direction.
 
RedPill Stepdad said:
for those who think Mark Stoops is the best candidate: what has he done and why has he been at Kentucky for a decade? I'm seriously curious.
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He's the opposite of Lane/Oregon. His teams are disciplined, and he maximizes talent. He turned them around from a 80-100 ranked defense to back to back top 15 defenses. Outside of generational coach there's not much more he could possibly do at UK. Stoops with a good OC is probably our best foundational rebuild type hire. It's not flashy but it's prudent. I don't think it will be hard to convince an OC to come and play with TVD and SFL talent.
 
Waiting to hear which coach we might possibly hire that would have no cherry picked flaws. Will not hold my breath until I hear though
 
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CFLCane said:
He's the opposite of Lane/Oregon. His teams are disciplined, and he maximizes talent. He turned them around from a 80-100 ranked defense to back to back top 15 defenses. Outside of generational coach there's not much more he could possibly do at UK. Stoops with a good OC is probably our best foundational rebuild type hire. It's not flashy but it's prudent. I don't think it will be hard to convince an OC to come and play with TVD and SFL talent.
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so if he's as good as you think why has he been at Kentucky for a decade?
 
RedPill Stepdad said:
so if he's as good as you think why has he been at Kentucky for a decade?
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Well that's better than getting fired by FIU or getting fired on the Tarmac @ USC. The other two are opportunists. Kiffin is a loaner likely on his way back to the NFL and Christobal is trying to get himself bought out and start a members only country club.
 
CFLCane said:
Well that's better than getting fired by FIU or getting fired on the Tarmac @ USC. The other two are opportunists. Kiffin is a loaner likely on his way back to the NFL and Christobal is trying to get himself bought out and start a members only country club.
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the only time coaches aren't "opportunists" is when they don't have any better opportunities.

if it's more about you not liking the other two than it is you liking Stoops then say that.
 
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RedPill Stepdad said:
the only time coaches aren't "opportunists" is when they don't have any better opportunities.

if it's more about you not liking the other two than it is you liking Stoops then say that.
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meh. College football coaching is a carousel of failures. Only a handful win championships. I'd be happy with all 3 i just have a slight preference for stoops.
 
PIPO said:
OP at the bar - “see those 2 hot girls at the bar? I am going to take them both home and… well, I don’t know….. I can’t imagine what I will do.”
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Fox305 said:
Few years ago I called the hiring of Manny political ode to the community of SFLA insiders. As a alum I Knew right after the UF game he’d fizzle. Signs were apparent.


Now here we are. To quickly summarize:

If Miami wants to be MIAMI, hiring Cristobal will offer nothing more than turning Miami in a bling out version of UGA during Richt years. (Specifically 2003-2011).

You’ll have some great prospects roll through and a few games per season and during postseason that scream we are back but we’ll never reach that pinnacle and it’ll end in Mario either bolting prematurely (like he always has in his past) or being forced out due to it going stale.

Only example we needed to see regarding Mario being the guy is the fact that in two classes he has had GENERATIONAL players at QB/DE (two most important positions on the field) in Herbert & Kayvon along with a elite guy in Justin Flowe and Oregon has wet the bed losing by 30+ when it came time to push the money to the middle and go to the bank (being the CFB). And he didn’t wet the bed in the Sec or even a Clemson pumped ACC but rather a watered down and dry Pac-12 that is suffering with USC being basically a Westcoast version of us and no Clemson around.

Cristobal understands our past at least: And that’s wonderful but he won’t be the guy to deliver what we want. He never has in his past, and he never will. Herbert was held back by his offensive coaching and I also think Thidobeaux/Oregon was this year as well.

Regarding Lane, his past also speaks to what he seeks, a quick bridge back to the NFL. He won’t hang around long enough to see through the VAST reclamation Miami needs. Though I do trust his ABILITY to maximize our QB versus Mario. I have no doubt TVD would become a top 10 pick with Lane and be maxed out. But I also believe his past shows he will neglect all the little needed aspects of football to win big and Miami will also be nothing more than a high flying Off/team that is violate and gets spanked by the tougher/disciplined forces of FSU/Clem in years we shouldn’t.


I don’t know who we should pursue or whether the guy we need even exists. I think the answer is not easy nor is the path. We literally are attempting a HALFCOURT shot to send the game into OT or hoping someone fouls on the closeout.
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Mario may turn out to be a great hire. One thing we agree on is that taking Mario from Oregon is not the flex people are making it out yo be. Flex would hiring Baylor AD for big money IF he can convince Matt Rhule and Joe Brady to come back to the college game. Mario biggest plus is he can improve our biggest weakness. Oline recruiting.
 
Not here to say Mario is the guy. But please explain the narrative that Mario always jumps ship. He got fired from FIU. He left Miami probably because he saw Golden was a fraud, but more so he jumped at a chance to coach under Saban. He got a promotion in going to Oregon as an OC. Just like every other Bama coach with head coach aspirations, they leave because they know Saban is going nowhere. And yes sure enough he gets the HC position at Oregon a year later. So if he leaves for Miami he is leaving for his dream job. Which every other coach does, including Meyer, if they have the chance. So please stop with this narrative that he is always jumping around. That moniker belongs to Lane. If Mario is not the guy, fine. But please bring a more accurate argument.
 
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Fox305 said:
Few years ago I called the hiring of Manny political ode to the community of SFLA insiders. As a alum I Knew right after the UF game he’d fizzle. Signs were apparent.


Now here we are. To quickly summarize:

If Miami wants to be MIAMI, hiring Cristobal will offer nothing more than turning Miami in a bling out version of UGA during Richt years. (Specifically 2003-2011).

You’ll have some great prospects roll through and a few games per season and during postseason that scream we are back but we’ll never reach that pinnacle and it’ll end in Mario either bolting prematurely (like he always has in his past) or being forced out due to it going stale.

Only example we needed to see regarding Mario being the guy is the fact that in two classes he has had GENERATIONAL players at QB/DE (two most important positions on the field) in Herbert & Kayvon along with a elite guy in Justin Flowe and Oregon has wet the bed losing by 30+ when it came time to push the money to the middle and go to the bank (being the CFB). And he didn’t wet the bed in the Sec or even a Clemson pumped ACC but rather a watered down and dry Pac-12 that is suffering with USC being basically a Westcoast version of us and no Clemson around.

Cristobal understands our past at least: And that’s wonderful but he won’t be the guy to deliver what we want. He never has in his past, and he never will. Herbert was held back by his offensive coaching and I also think Thidobeaux/Oregon was this year as well.

Regarding Lane, his past also speaks to what he seeks, a quick bridge back to the NFL. He won’t hang around long enough to see through the VAST reclamation Miami needs. Though I do trust his ABILITY to maximize our QB versus Mario. I have no doubt TVD would become a top 10 pick with Lane and be maxed out. But I also believe his past shows he will neglect all the little needed aspects of football to win big and Miami will also be nothing more than a high flying Off/team that is violate and gets spanked by the tougher/disciplined forces of FSU/Clem in years we shouldn’t.


I don’t know who we should pursue or whether the guy we need even exists. I think the answer is not easy nor is the path. We literally are attempting a HALFCOURT shot to send the game into OT or hoping someone fouls on the closeout.
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So basically you have no answers and this is all just jawjacking?
 
Listen, we need someone with a vision who has been there and done that. We need a coach that has a goal in mind. I don’t care if he’s here for 3 to 8 years as long as he’s dominating, developing the players, and we’re winning a lot more than we’re losing.
 
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