Take 2… (another Mario isn't the guy thread, with some Lane isn't it either sprinkled in)

[My2Sense]

Few years ago I called the hiring of Manny political ode to the community of SFLA insiders. As a alum I Knew right after the UF game he’d fizzle. Signs were apparent.


Now here we are. To quickly summarize:

If Miami wants to be MIAMI, hiring Cristobal will offer nothing more than turning Miami in a bling out version of UGA during Richt years. (Specifically 2003-2011).

You’ll have some great prospects roll through and a few games per season and during postseason that scream we are back but we’ll never reach that pinnacle and it’ll end in Mario either bolting prematurely (like he always has in his past) or being forced out due to it going stale.

Only example we needed to see regarding Mario being the guy is the fact that in two classes he has had GENERATIONAL players at QB/DE (two most important positions on the field) in Herbert & Kayvon along with a elite guy in Justin Flowe and Oregon has wet the bed losing by 30+ when it came time to push the money to the middle and go to the bank (being the CFB). And he didn’t wet the bed in the Sec or even a Clemson pumped ACC but rather a watered down and dry Pac-12 that is suffering with USC being basically a Westcoast version of us and no Clemson around.

Cristobal understands our past at least: And that’s wonderful but he won’t be the guy to deliver what we want. He never has in his past, and he never will. Herbert was held back by his offensive coaching and I also think Thidobeaux/Oregon was this year as well.

Regarding Lane, his past also speaks to what he seeks, a quick bridge back to the NFL. He won’t hang around long enough to see through the VAST reclamation Miami needs. Though I do trust his ABILITY to maximize our QB versus Mario. I have no doubt TVD would become a top 10 pick with Lane and be maxed out. But I also believe his past shows he will neglect all the little needed aspects of football to win big and Miami will also be nothing more than a high flying Off/team that is violate and gets spanked by the tougher/disciplined forces of FSU/Clem in years we shouldn’t.


I don’t know who we should pursue or whether the guy we need even exists. I think the answer is not easy nor is the path. We literally are attempting a HALFCOURT shot to send the game into OT or hoping someone fouls on the closeout.

What exactly is your point OP? That you "told us so" 3 years ago? And are chiming in again to say the 2 most discussed candidates for the job are not slam dunks? And your solution is.... Nothing?!?!?

I run a small business and I welcome fair and constructive criticism. I look forward to hearing how we can improve. But my one and only condition: if you're gonna bring forth a situation that can be improved, then you must offer a viable solution or alternative. Otherwise, don't wet my bed.

You just wet the entire CIS bed with your juvenile peacocking and brought zero to the conversation.

Don't ever do that to anyone in any capacity of your life ever again.

You've got a problem with Mario or Lane? Fair. Offer a viable alternative. Put up or shut up.

But people like you prefer to show up in 3 years and say, "I told you so..."

 

[TpaBayFlyFisher]

I agree that there are no guaranteed NC HC’s available. So, the choice is pick a lesser known guy who might turn into Jimmy Johnson or hire an established guy who may have a non-playoff ceiling. Our last three hires have been betting on the come. I am tired of rolling craps. So, I would prefer Mario but be happy with Lane too. Both could win the Coastal and perhaps the ACC. Lane would for sure leave if the NFL called. So, give me Mario with two high quality coordinators. Perhaps he grows into something more than we expected. But, almost certainly he will make Football seasons fun again.

 

[Go Canes!!]

Still not sure. Need one or two more threads about it to decide.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

I feel like Mario at Miami would be what Harbaugh has been at Michigan. He has them competitive every year, but they’re a boring team to watch and he can’t get them over the hump. Lane has the higher ceiling, IMO.

 

[Fox305]

So fold the program, OP?!?!

Or should we keep Manny??

Where is your sense of adventure. Come on?!?! You’re on a college football board. At least offer up your ideal candidate.

Idk how u make these claims and then have no coach who can do what u say lol. Mario and Lane absolulty can win here

Not a chance either gets us to a Playoff appearance. Not a single chance. But there would be a year MAYBE 2 where we hit the cusp only to disappointed.

I’ll edit and offer my two BEST choices:

Tony Elliot CLEM OC

Luke Fickell HC CINN (not a chance he comes here.)

 

[Fox305]

So fold the program, OP?!?!

Or should we keep Manny??

Where is your sense of adventure. Come on?!?! You’re on a college football board. At least offer up your ideal candidate.

Tony Eliott/Luke Fickell

Zero chance we snag either.

 

[Fox305]

Not here to say Mario is the guy. But please explain the narrative that Mario always jumps ship. He got fired from FIU. He left Miami probably because he saw Golden was a fraud, but more so he jumped at a chance to coach under Saban. He got a promotion in going to Oregon as an OC. Just like every other Bama coach with head coach aspirations, they leave because they know Saban is going nowhere. And yes sure enough he gets the HC position at Oregon a year later. So if he leaves for Miami he is leaving for his dream job. Which every other coach does, including Meyer, if they have the chance. So please stop with this narrative that he is always jumping around. That moniker belongs to Lane. If Mario is not the guy, fine. But please bring a more accurate argument.

What exactly is your point OP? That you "told us so" 3 years ago? And are chiming in again to say the 2 most discussed candidates for the job are not slam dunks? And your solution is.... Nothing?!?!?

I run a small business and I welcome fair and constructive criticism. I look forward to hearing how we can improve. But my one and only condition: if you're gonna bring forth a situation that can be improved, then you must offer a viable solution or alternative. Otherwise, don't wet my bed.

You just wet the entire CIS bed with your juvenile peacocking and brought zero to the conversation.

Don't ever do that to anyone in any capacity of your life ever again.

You've got a problem with Mario or Lane? Fair. Offer a viable alternative. Put up or shut up.

But people like you prefer to show up in 3 years and say, "I told you so..."

My argument is accurate. Cristobal is almost just as much a mercenary as Lane. Just not as flamboyant or high profiles. He left here, he got bounced from FIU, He left BAMA, and now with vast underachieving he being considered to leave Oregon before his pre established talent waters out. My point was neither of these guys are LIKELY the answer. And the idea that once the fan base is bullish on a guy like Mario while completely ignoring the man has currently failed with generational talent in a historic great but DOWN conference with those pieces speaks to the lunacy that takes place in our base. It simply makes us look foolish in the long run with egg on the face. Cristobal has showed absolutely ZERO he is capable of building back up Miami to even what richt had us 2016-2018. He simply has shown that if recruiting advances/revenue are in place, he can tease you with 9-10 win season but get exposed by elite coaching in the key matchups.

His past also shows that if the advantages aren’t there, he likely will flame out completely. (FIU). Diaz could have won 9 games with Herbert with Oregon revenue. He did so last year with King.

Two coaches I later mentioned:

Clem OC TONY ELLIOT

CINN HC LUKE FICKELL (not a chance he comes) would be guys I’d try to sway. But we play politics in Miami. I absolutely want a outside coach with a bullish mentality to win at all cost and a BOT/AD who understands the real U to guide them. Anything else and is basically a hopeless cycle.

 

[Fox305]

I agree that there are no guaranteed NC HC’s available. So, the choice is pick a lesser known guy who might turn into Jimmy Johnson or hire an established guy who may have a non-playoff ceiling. Our last three hires have been betting on the come. I am tired of rolling craps. So, I would prefer Mario but be happy with Lane too. Both could win the Coastal and perhaps the ACC. Lane would for sure leave if the NFL called. So, give me Mario with two high quality coordinators. Perhaps he grows into something more than we expected. But, almost certainly he will make Football seasons fun again.

If Cristobal hypothetically in year 2 or 3 replicated what Richt did in 2017 with Rosier( CFB playoff on the line but led to eventually loss and NY6 bowl), Cristobal would look to immediately bolt if greener grass called. I PROMISE you. It’s in his history. Leopard don’t change spots. He not a long haul guy. Otherwise, no chance he’d be thinking of leaving Oregon with disappointing endings he has had. AND with what he knows happened with Taggart.

 

[Fox305]

Easiest thing in the world to do is be contrarian and point out negatives without having any answers or solutions.

My candidates:

Tony Elliot CLEM OC

Luke Fickell Cinn HC (no chance he comes)

But truthfully I’m telling you: we got so far behind with CLOWNS running the show and hiring bums that we need a miracle to return.

 

[insaneinthecane]

Lmao dude wrote this synopsis and then didn’t offer better option or who he thought we should hire

I don't necessarily agree with his thoughts on Mario but he most definitely offered up who he would like us to hire.

Two candidates Id risk it on:

Clem OC Tony Elliot

Cinn HC Luke Fickell (not a chance he comes here.)

 

[Mr. Dynasty1]

I don't necessarily agree with his thoughts on Mario but he most definitely offered up who he would like us to hire.

Two candidates Id risk it on:

Clem OC Tony Elliot

Cinn HC Luke Fickell (not a chance he comes here.)

You do see that he edited his post right?

 

[insaneinthecane]

You do see that he edited his post right?

No. I didn't see that.

 

[Negro-Wan Kanobi]

This is a hilarious bump.

@Fox305

Your post is grade A trash.

 

[Empirical Cane]

I agree that there are no guaranteed NC HC’s available. So, the choice is pick a lesser known guy who might turn into Jimmy Johnson or hire an established guy who may have a non-playoff ceiling. Our last three hires have been betting on the come. I am tired of rolling craps. So, I would prefer Mario but be happy with Lane too. Both could win the Coastal and perhaps the ACC. Lane would for sure leave if the NFL called. So, give me Mario with two high quality coordinators. Perhaps he grows into something more than we expected. But, almost certainly he will make Football seasons fun again.

With NIL bringing long-standing practices into the open, even Saban is no longer a Natty guarantee coach.

Using NIL strategically is going to be an interesting "equalizer".

 

[mr.h]

We’ll see soon enough in regards to his hires and recruiting…listen, it only cost $8,000,000.

 

[TheEye]

The OP didn’t know Diaz would bust until AFTER the UF game? Dude was late to the party. Shannon 2.0 was called BEFORE he was hired, my man.

Mario is an upgrade. Also, if OP is saying Miami will look like UGA between ‘03-11, bring it! Multiple double digit seasons, conference titles and bowl wins will only give more momentum to the next coach.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Few years ago I called the hiring of Manny political ode to the community of SFLA insiders. As a alum I Knew right after the UF game he’d fizzle. Signs were apparent.


Now here we are. To quickly summarize:

If Miami wants to be MIAMI, hiring Cristobal will offer nothing more than turning Miami into a bling out version of UGA during Richt years. (Specifically 2003-2011).

You’ll have some great prospects roll through and a few games per season and during postseason that scream we are back but we’ll never reach that pinnacle and it’ll end in Mario either bolting prematurely (like he always has in his past) or being forced out due to it going stale.

Only example we needed to see regarding Mario being the guy is the fact that in two classes he has had GENERATIONAL players at QB/DE (two most important positions on the field) in Herbert & Kayvon along with a elite guy in Justin Flowe and Oregon has wet the bed losing by 30+ when it came time to push the money to the middle and go to the bank (being the CFB). And he didn’t wet the bed in the Sec or even a Clemson pumped ACC but rather a watered down and dry Pac-12 that is suffering with USC being basically a Westcoast version of us and no Clemson around.

Cristobal understands our past at least: And that’s wonderful but he won’t be the guy to deliver what we want. He never has in his past, and he never will. Herbert was held back by his offensive coaching and I also think Thidobeaux/Oregon was this year as well.

Regarding Lane, his past also speaks to what he seeks, a quick bridge back to the NFL. He won’t hang around long enough to see through the VAST reclamation Miami needs. Though I do trust his ABILITY to maximize our QB versus Mario. I have no doubt TVD would become a top 10 pick with Lane and be maxed out. But I also believe his past shows he will neglect all the little needed aspects of football to win big and Miami will also be nothing more than a high flying Off/team that is violate and gets spanked by the tougher/disciplined forces of FSU/Clem in years we shouldn’t.


I don’t know who we should pursue or whether the guy we need even exists. I think the answer is not easy nor is the path. We literally are attempting a HALFCOURT shot to send the game into OT or hoping someone fouls on the closeout.

Two candidates Id risk it on:

Clem OC Tony Elliot

Cinn HC Luke Fickell (not a chance he comes here.)

Sheeeeeeeesh

Agree on Lane though would of been horrid for recruiting

 

[dycane]

In a few days, the shine is going to wear off Fickell a bit. Bama is going to run a train on that team.

 

[RVACane]

You do see that he edited his post right?

No. I didn't see that.

Here are the original versions of the 3 posts he edited. There was an in between version for 2 of them but whatever. Not sure he did anything of substance but I haven’t read it really.

 

[E1k]

I know this is old and your opinion is your opinion but....u said all that and said you'd go after Tony Elliott???? Looollll dawg