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First - my Dad would not let me use this phrase in his house
- And he was a UM professor, so not exactly a ball buster - but he very much thought this was a weak mindset

Second - Money talks
- The SEC and Big Ten teams will get more teams into the playoffs bc they are better conferences
- Every year - NOPE
- But generally speaking - year in and year out - they are better conferences than the ACC
- I judge that based on the money they make on TV deals vs the rest of the conference

Third - who are you adding is also an indication of the strength of your conference
- SEC picked up Texas & Oklahoma + BIG 10 Picked up Oregon, Wash & USC + We picked up Cal, Stanford & SMU (and they arent even taking TV Money)
- Guys and Gals --------come on - not even close

Finally - come to grips with reality and avoid the life is not fair complaining
- More times than not ACC will have softer schedules than Big Ten & SEC
- The trade off is we have less of a cushion on L's

Write the check

Go Canes
 
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ncncanes said:
First - my Dad would not let me use this phrase in his house
- And he was a UM professor, so not exactly a ball buster - but he very much thought this was a weak mindset

Second - Money talks
- The SEC and Big Ten teams will get more teams into the playoffs bc they are better conferences
- Every year - NOPE
- But generally speaking - year in and year out - they are better conferences than the ACC
- I judge that based on the money they make on TV deals vs the rest of the conference

Third - who are you adding is also an indication of the strength of your conference
- SEC picked up Texas & Oklahoma + BIG 10 Picked up Oregon, Wash & USC + We picked up Cal, Stanford & SMU (and they arent even taking TV Money)
- Guys and Gals --------come on - not even close

Finally - come to grips with reality and avoid the life is not fair complaining
- More times than not ACC will have softer schedules than Big Ten & SEC
- The trade off is we have less of a cushion on L's

Write the check

Go Canes
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I agree. That's why I'm not hoping on this "we got screwed" foolishness. You're the University of Miami, if you don't take it, it will ALWAYS be given to someone else. You had it in your hands and pis*ed it away. That's no one's fault but your own. Handle business and we have no controversy. A failure in preparation and coaching.
 
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ncncanes said:
First - my Dad would not let me use this phrase in his house
- And he was a UM professor, so not exactly a ball buster - but he very much thought this was a weak mindset

Second - Money talks
- The SEC and Big Ten teams will get more teams into the playoffs bc they are better conferences
- Every year - NOPE
- But generally speaking - year in and year out - they are better conferences than the ACC
- I judge that based on the money they make on TV deals vs the rest of the conference

Third - who are you adding is also an indication of the strength of your conference
- SEC picked up Texas & Oklahoma + BIG 10 Picked up Oregon, Wash & USC + We picked up Cal, Stanford & SMU (and they arent even taking TV Money)
- Guys and Gals --------come on - not even close

Finally - come to grips with reality and avoid the life is not fair complaining
- More times than not ACC will have softer schedules than Big Ten & SEC
- The trade off is we have less of a cushion on L's

Write the check

Go Canes
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This is such a strange post. In particular, im confused by “avoid the life is not fair complaining” after you literally just listed several examples of “life not being fair.” You heard your dad say this, the context, time, innuendo, etc. I did not. Can you elaborate what you meant a bit without writing a novel?

Also, I don’t disagree with your conference dissection, but I’m not sure TV deal revenues is the best metric. It’s part of it, but wouldn't W/L vs non $EC teams be important? Or dudes drafted in the NFL?
 
ncncanes said:
First - my Dad would not let me use this phrase in his house
- And he was a UM professor, so not exactly a ball buster - but he very much thought this was a weak mindset

Second - Money talks
- The SEC and Big Ten teams will get more teams into the playoffs bc they are better conferences
- Every year - NOPE
- But generally speaking - year in and year out - they are better conferences than the ACC
- I judge that based on the money they make on TV deals vs the rest of the conference

Third - who are you adding is also an indication of the strength of your conference
- SEC picked up Texas & Oklahoma + BIG 10 Picked up Oregon, Wash & USC + We picked up Cal, Stanford & SMU (and they arent even taking TV Money)
- Guys and Gals --------come on - not even close

Finally - come to grips with reality and avoid the life is not fair complaining
- More times than not ACC will have softer schedules than Big Ten & SEC
- The trade off is we have less of a cushion on L's

Write the check

Go Canes
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“Write the check” to who? Miami doesn’t have a standing offer to join the BIG or the SEC.
 
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BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
This is such a strange post. In particular, im confused by “avoid the life is not fair complaining” after you literally just listed several examples of “life not being fair.” You heard your dad say this, the context, time, innuendo, etc. I did not. Can you elaborate what you meant a bit without writing a novel?

Also, I don’t disagree with your conference dissection, but I’m not sure TV deal revenues is the best metric. It’s part of it, but wouldn't W/L vs non $EC teams be important? Or dudes drafted in the NFL?
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Fair question on TV deal revenue - from what I have read
- There is no organization that is responsible for looking after the health of College Football. Similar to the NFL front office or what the NCAA was some what trying to do 20 years ago

So in the end, who is in charge?
- I think it is pretty obvious that TV networks were the ones behind moving to the expanded playoff format by giving the schools more money than the 4 team playoff
- If you are TV executives (who I would argue, at the moment are "leading" college football (very loose definition of leading)) your primary and probably only driver on who you want in the CFP is total potential number of eyeballs in watching the games
- Yes the SEC has small schools in Vandy but the size of the alumni in the other schools is just massive. Same argument for size of alumni in Big 10 schools vs ACC
- ACC much smaller alumni. I would add that Miami's number of eyeballs goes well beyond the size of the school and alumni
- TV's bias is 95% biased towards the number of potential eyeballs bc that is where the money is

Go Canes
 
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ncncanes said:
Fair question on TV deal revenue - from what I have read
- There is no organization that is responsible for looking after the health of College Football. Similar to the NFL front office or what the NCAA was some what trying to do 20 years ago

So in the end, who is in charge?
- I think it is pretty obvious that TV networks were the ones behind moving to the expanded playoff format by giving the schools more money than the 4 team playoff
- If you are TV executives (who I would argue, at the moment are "leading" college football (very loose definition of leading)) your primary and probably only driver on who you want in the CFP is total potential number of eyeballs in watching the games
- Yes the SEC has small schools in Vandy but the size of the alumni in the other schools is just massive. Same argument for size of alumni in Big 10 schools vs ACC
- ACC much smaller alumni. I would add that Miami's number of eyeballs goes well beyond the size of the school and alumni
- TV's bias is 95% biased towards the number of potential eyeballs bc that is where the money is

Go Canes
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That's fine and dandy, my main question centered around this:

In particular, im confused by “avoid the life is not fair complaining”

You never explained any of that. Everything else you wrote is word soup. It's not a secret that CFB is driven by television.
 
section9 said:
Orwell's phrase from Animal Farm described the situation we are in with the SEC and the B1G at the end of the year with tremendous precision: "All pigs are equal, but some are more equal than others."

That's exactly what happened on Tuesday.
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Conference television rights have made a mockery of college football. The same network that spent billions on the rights to broadcast the SEC spent billions on the rights to broadcast the CFP.
 
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ncncanes said:
Fair question on TV deal revenue - from what I have read
- There is no organization that is responsible for looking after the health of College Football. Similar to the NFL front office or what the NCAA was some what trying to do 20 years ago

So in the end, who is in charge?
- I think it is pretty obvious that TV networks were the ones behind moving to the expanded playoff format by giving the schools more money than the 4 team playoff
- If you are TV executives (who I would argue, at the moment are "leading" college football (very loose definition of leading)) your primary and probably only driver on who you want in the CFP is total potential number of eyeballs in watching the games
- Yes the SEC has small schools in Vandy but the size of the alumni in the other schools is just massive. Same argument for size of alumni in Big 10 schools vs ACC
- ACC much smaller alumni. I would add that Miami's number of eyeballs goes well beyond the size of the school and alumni
- TV's bias is 95% biased towards the number of potential eyeballs bc that is where the money is

Go Canes
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Yes, because conference leaders and more importantly, schools, can't get on the same page, the TV networks have become the de facto leaders of college football. As you stated, they only care about the number of eyeballs watching, not figuring a way to get the most legitimate playoff system and therefore, champion.

In the short term, big $$$ to be made. They need to be careful in the long-term though. Yes, the B1G and SEC schools have plenty of alumni. There are much more in other conferences though. If those fans get disillusioned to the point of ignoring the college playoff each year because their school's odds are miniscule, much fewer eyeballs. The NFL has it right. They control their product and use the TV networks as tools for $$$ and to distribute their product.
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
That's fine and dandy, my main question centered around this:

In particular, im confused by “avoid the life is not fair complaining”

You never explained any of that. Everything else you wrote is word soup. It's not a secret that CFB is driven by television.
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Sure thing .......fellow Cane
- My point, which I clearly didn't nail, was why bother spending a ton of energy complaining about "facts" such as death, taxes and the fact that TV money will be the driver on how many teams the SEC gets in vs the ACC.
- I don't like taxes and not crazy about the idea of death however all the complaining in the world isnt going to change either of these facts
- I just have found that spending energy on facts that wont change ........ while it feels good for a few minutes....... is a waste of time

The more important questions I have for the Cincy poster ........
- What is your favorite Graeter's Ice cream and how do you take your Skyline ?
- Vanilla Chocolate Chip and 4 way w/ onions are the only acceptable answers

Go Canes
 
ncncanes said:
First - my Dad would not let me use this phrase in his house
- And he was a UM professor, so not exactly a ball buster - but he very much thought this was a weak mindset

Second - Money talks
- The SEC and Big Ten teams will get more teams into the playoffs bc they are better conferences
- Every year - NOPE
- But generally speaking - year in and year out - they are better conferences than the ACC
- I judge that based on the money they make on TV deals vs the rest of the conference

Third - who are you adding is also an indication of the strength of your conference
- SEC picked up Texas & Oklahoma + BIG 10 Picked up Oregon, Wash & USC + We picked up Cal, Stanford & SMU (and they arent even taking TV Money)
- Guys and Gals --------come on - not even close

Finally - come to grips with reality and avoid the life is not fair complaining
- More times than not ACC will have softer schedules than Big Ten & SEC
- The trade off is we have less of a cushion on L's

Write the check

Go Canes
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I think more than one narrative can be true
1) Alabama was less deserving than UM for the last playoff spot.
2) SEC was overrated this year. It was obvious midway through season.
3) Having said this, UM - players, Mario, and his staff - choked. They knew they couldn't afford to lose more than one game because college football powers that be hate this program. They were looking for any excuse to exclude UM, and we gave it to them!
4) It's no different than how college officials treat our players vs other players with regards to holding, Pass Interference and especially excessive celebration calls. Yet players like Jacoby George continue to do dumb stuff.
5) end rant.
 
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