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poncho0091 said:
WillieSatchel said:
poncho0091 said:
mlw352 said:
This is huge for the black coaching community I hope he does well because this is a truly great opportunity to help promote more black head coaches #Strongway
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Being black is not significant. Be a good coach, and you will get jobs. Too many people are relying on this minority hire crap and I am a minority.
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Being a black head coach @ Texas is significant...how many other black coaches in the big 12?...
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The fact that people try so hard to bring attention to the race issue is the reason why it stands the way it does. Do you think someone wants to be pressured into hiring a coach just because he's black? How about how many black HCs in college football? How many up and coming black coaches do you know of? There aren't many moving up the ranks quickly right now because the individuals as a coach still need to prove their skills. Just promoting a man to HC because he's black does no justice to himself or other black coaches and worse, it sets black coaches back everytime one fails. When they prove themselves as coaches, they will get the opportunity from someone. Even the white coaches have to work their way up and impress someone. When someone complains about the lack of black HC's you just open an opportunity for those to bash one or shut the door on them everytime one fails after being given a shot. Look at Randy. He got the shot and he failed. Turner Gill got a shot and failed. Then you have guys like Sumlin and Franklin who got a shot and did something with it. Strong is getting the opportunity because he earned it, not because he's black. Black Coaches will get a shot when they've earned it. It will take time, but having one that has success should not have an impact on another one. Texas would much rather win right now than worry about black or white HC and Strong was their best option.
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universities sure don't have this issue when it comes to recruiting.
 
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He'll still recruit south Florida. That's where he has the best connections. He won't just give it up. I think that policy of filling up a class with Texas kids in the summer will come to an end too. He'll do things his way.
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He will recruit south Florida but not nearly as hard I don't think. Texas is also a very fertile recruiting base. How do you think it will go over if Strong shows up and starts ignoring all of the pipelines and local talent to bring in all Florida kids. The majority of his classes will be Texas players with some national recruits sprinkled in, or at least it should be. And he will do just fine with that formula.
 
mlw352 said:
How many black coaches period I have no agenda but im young and I know its something wrong there are plenty of capable black coaches that don't get the chance to coach we can play football he'll dominate it but ill be damned if we can teach it. I for one understand best man for the job and am all for it but its maybe 10 black coaches on major college ball and if coach strong can bring Texas back to the dominate status that will go along way with opening up more opportunitys
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If you'll notice, being a good or great player does not make you a great coach. If great player equaled great coach most of the HCs would be ex-Canes. Jedd was a tennis player. Is MJ the greatest basketball coach? Shula was a no talent DB, but he had tenacity. Jake Scott was a unbelievable athlete; does anyone think he would have made a better coach than Shula? It is not just about color. Player status does not translate directly into coaching. Everyone thinks that the percentage of black or white football players should be applied to the coaching level, when we are talking a different skill set. Maybe young black kids with coaching talents move on to other professions early in life because they are NOT great athletes. Maybe they are bullied by the very players we think should be coaches while in child leagues and never pursue football after that.

I have heard the position that black coaches who fail are given less time and never given a second shot. That would seem to have more validity than the mere numbers matching of players to coaches. But better would be the relationship of successful coach to great QBs. If you have a Johnnie football or a Teddy, you will win and winning makes you look good. If Al had Kenny in Tally this year and we score on that 1st drive of the second have, season might have been different. Jimbo sure is doing better with Famous Rapist. Give Urban a big tough fast running QB, black or white, and he is a lot better coach than with a passing QB--black or white. Brown with Young was great, without, not so good. You need the right match. I bet Strong focuses on a QB first thing.
 
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Is anybody *****ing and asking why Strong himself hasn't come out and addressed the situation??
 
another coach that can thank Miami for his success.

1. We gift wrapped him Bridgewater

2. The beat down he gave us moved him to #1 on everyones list.
 
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Fine get him out of UL the only problem is they may hire the guy we want as HC can't let that happen
 
Is there any base to that? From that article, I see nothing but speculation on Eric Crawford's part.
 
poncho0091 said:
mlw352 said:
This is huge for the black coaching community I hope he does well because this is a truly great opportunity to help promote more black head coaches #Strongway
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Being black is not significant. Be a good coach, and you will get jobs. Too many people are relying on this minority hire crap and I am a minority.
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That's what we did with Shannon....and I'm sure a lot of his critics have been minority.
 
Your right every coach doesn't have to be a player but it is an amazing feat by Charlie strong. No every player isn't a great coach but most have played and Willingham made the wrong hires but for every Shannon there's a lovie smith a good to great coach who was fired with no Merritt 10-6 and fired so don't tell me there's no stigmatism
 
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mlw352 said:
Your right every coach doesn't have to be a player but it is an amazing feat by Charlie strong. No every player isn't a great coach but most have played and Willingham made the wrong hires but for every Shannon there's a lovie smith a good to great coach who was fired with no Merritt 10-6 and fired so don't tell me there's no stigmatism
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Lovie Smith??? Really, the guy had 9 years before he was fired, that is an eternity in the Not For Long league. He only made 3 playoff apperances and never won a Super Bowl. This is the point others are trying to make, he was not hired or fired because of race, and should not be immune from being held accountable because of it.
 
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fivecent said:
poncho0091 said:
WillieSatchel said:
poncho0091 said:
mlw352 said:
This is huge for the black coaching community I hope he does well because this is a truly great opportunity to help promote more black head coaches #Strongway
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Being black is not significant. Be a good coach, and you will get jobs. Too many people are relying on this minority hire crap and I am a minority.
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Being a black head coach @ Texas is significant...how many other black coaches in the big 12?...
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The fact that people try so hard to bring attention to the race issue is the reason why it stands the way it does. Do you think someone wants to be pressured into hiring a coach just because he's black? How about how many black HCs in college football? How many up and coming black coaches do you know of? There aren't many moving up the ranks quickly right now because the individuals as a coach still need to prove their skills. Just promoting a man to HC because he's black does no justice to himself or other black coaches and worse, it sets black coaches back everytime one fails. When they prove themselves as coaches, they will get the opportunity from someone. Even the white coaches have to work their way up and impress someone. When someone complains about the lack of black HC's you just open an opportunity for those to bash one or shut the door on them everytime one fails after being given a shot. Look at Randy. He got the shot and he failed. Turner Gill got a shot and failed. Then you have guys like Sumlin and Franklin who got a shot and did something with it. Strong is getting the opportunity because he earned it, not because he's black. Black Coaches will get a shot when they've earned it. It will take time, but having one that has success should not have an impact on another one. Texas would much rather win right now than worry about black or white HC and Strong was their best option.
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Now that's just naive. I agree with almost everything you said except that little bit. I understand the racial fatigue (I'm tired of it too), but denying that there are still some underlying racial issues is taking it too far. Many people still do have negative opinion (whether they admit it to themselves or not) about blacks (black men in particular) when it comes to intelligence, leadership and success. Seeing a black man have success at the highest levels by displaying those traits will go far in changing those negative opinions to positive ones.
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I agree that there are still racial issues present in society, especially at the higher levels. The problem imo is that banging down their door to tell them they need to hire a black guy is going to make them want to hire one less, or end up hiring a token or a figure head just to look good and fire him quickly to prove their point. If the people in charge of hiring have issues with race, then they are not going to change. When those people are gone, then maybe something will change. There have been very few times when the obvious top candidate was a black man or any other minority and until thats the case, those who avoid racial hires will always have an excuse. Strong and Sumlin have been the only really obvious home run looking minority hires by major programs like in the last 10 years imo (Vanderbilt and Louisville were not big time college football imo to warrant significant attention like a Texas or UF etc, but they created opportunities for Strong and Franklin to make their name so they can become the home run hire at a major program like Texas) . Who else has been that big of a name as a minority coach that warranted fair or foul call on being passed over by a major program?
 
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#Texas expects to announce #Louisville's Charlie Strong as its new coach tomorrow, source confirms to CBS.
 
**** Strong was perfect for this job,Butch would be my next pick!That's not happening the administration wants choir boys!I never thought I would see the day Louisville 30 for 30 the U.Golden gtfo ,stand with the u
 
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