Off-Topic Stock Market & Crypto Discussion

It is still not too late to invest. Look at the 52 week highs of most of these companies. You are not buying at the historical tops today. If you are still feeling antsy, have some extra cash for dips but do not let success scare you out of investing.
Carnival cruise lines will go up from these levels. So will Disney and Exxon and others that got hit. Take a look at banks at these levels. Hasbro is off its highs. Also consider stocks that thrive in a second wave of covid. JNJ. Chlorox, UPS, Amazon. All are good.
All is good as long as : Trump/Biden is president (not Sanders), Fed keeps rates low (projected to stay at historic lows for a year or two), energy prices stay under control (looks that way), and no major virus issues. The prospect for all this to happen is promising right now.

The fact that the US is by far the leader in digital/internet economy should keep the US stock market humming for at least the next couple years. Cheers!!
 
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Keep your eyes on Delta Airlines. The stock will not be this low forever.
 
Keep your eyes on Delta Airlines. The stock will not be this low forever.

i am long DAL Jan ‘21 $35 calls. On May 15th I was way under water. Common was at like $18. Today I’m up 330%. What a world. I promised myself I would not touch them until at least August, then I’ll take a look and decide whether to sell or hold.

You think they have a lot of room to run still?
 
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i am long DAL Jan ‘21 $35 calls. On May 15th I was way under water. Common was at like $18. Today I’m up 330%. What a world. I promised myself I would not touch them until at least August, then I’ll take a look and decide whether to sell or hold.

You think they have a lot of room to run still?
Good for you. August is long time in summer for stock market and 330% is serious money to leave on table. On the other hand, if economy continues to recover fast and Trump wins in Nov(which I see as very likely, it is hard to see the top on the market. I'm old so I like taking my profits, but have regretted it many times. Good luck either way.
 
Good for you. August is long time in summer for stock market and 330% is serious money to leave on table. On the other hand, if economy continues to recover fast and Trump wins in Nov(which I see as very likely, it is hard to see the top on the market. I'm old so I like taking my profits, but have regretted it many times. Good luck either way.

Best advice I ever got: Every day you don’t sell, is the same thing as buying right then and there.

So if you wouldn’t buy at today’s price, you should sell it.

Do as I say, not as I do.

Options can run 1000% or more so you really need to examine the underlying stock. I’m long BA, airlines, casinos and energy. The momentumis still on IMO.

As for the election, and I say this completely apolitically so no one bring the crazy please, betting on a Trump win as “very likely” is pretty far out there by any measure. At best for him it’s a horse race right now. Not saying he can’t/won’t win, but I sure wouldn’t take the “very likely” payout on the odds. You’d have to give me even money at least. That’s based on the GOP’s internal polling btw. I take the polls with a shaker of salt, but Biden has a significant statistical advantage right now.

Regardless, I don’t think the election affects the markets as much as some would like to make you think. Biden is pretty moderate, and the market practically tripled when he was VP.
 
Best advice I ever got: Every day you don’t sell, is the same thing as buying right then and there.

So if you wouldn’t buy at today’s price, you should sell it.

Do as I say, not as I do.

Options can run 1000% or more so you really need to examine the underlying stock. I’m long BA, airlines, casinos and energy. The momentumis still on IMO.

As for the election, and I say this completely apolitically so no one bring the crazy please, betting on a Trump win as “very likely” is pretty far out there by any measure. At best for him it’s a horse race right now. Not saying he can’t/won’t win, but I sure wouldn’t take the “very likely” payout on the odds. You’d have to give me even money at least. That’s based on the GOP’s internal polling btw. I take the polls with a shaker of salt, but Biden has a significant statistical advantage right now.

Regardless, I don’t think the election affects the markets as much as some would like to make you think. Biden is pretty moderate, and the market practically tripled when he was VP.
Nicely put about ... like buying right now.... I will be stealing that one. I've stayed away from options only because I hate beating on timing and picking the stock. I never leverage with margin for the same reason. Since I never gamble rent money, I like to have the choice to hang on as long as I choose. Not saying that is smart all the time.

I 2016 I collected on both sides because my Irish bookie paid off on Hilary bets early( I hedged my larger Trump bet). It was a very nice night, money wise. Hey, consensus seems to be against Trump so I would not expect anyone to accept me opinion but I would warn that objective predictions, even any objective raw data is very hard to find. I am avoiding most news these days because I want to avoid all the echo chambers. Personally I hope the polling continues the way it is. If the odds get right, I don't mind placing another wager with part of 2016 winnings. However, I bet I would love to have would require Hilary to be his VP pick and Biden win the election and find a over/under on how long before he has a run in with mugger? One would think after the swearing in but Hiliary probably wants to do the hole transition of power with Trump to rub salt in wounds. Ah, he is stupid enough to pick her. Make money and stay safe.
 
i am long DAL Jan ‘21 $35 calls. On May 15th I was way under water. Common was at like $18. Today I’m up 330%. What a world. I promised myself I would not touch them until at least August, then I’ll take a look and decide whether to sell or hold.

You think they have a lot of room to run still?
Hope you bought a lot of contracts.
 
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Nicely put about ... like buying right now.... I will be stealing that one. I've stayed away from options only because I hate beating on timing and picking the stock. I never leverage with margin for the same reason. Since I never gamble rent money, I like to have the choice to hang on as long as I choose. Not saying that is smart all the time.

I 2016 I collected on both sides because my Irish bookie paid off on Hilary bets early( I hedged my larger Trump bet). It was a very nice night, money wise. Hey, consensus seems to be against Trump so I would not expect anyone to accept me opinion but I would warn that objective predictions, even any objective raw data is very hard to find. I am avoiding most news these days because I want to avoid all the echo chambers. Personally I hope the polling continues the way it is. If the odds get right, I don't mind placing another wager with part of 2016 winnings. However, I bet I would love to have would require Hilary to be his VP pick and Biden win the election and find a over/under on how long before he has a run in with mugger? One would think after the swearing in but Hiliary probably wants to do the hole transition of power with Trump to rub salt in wounds. Ah, he is stupid enough to pick her. Make money and stay safe.
Interesting anomaly. I have a lot of friends that support Trump and a lot that support Biden. Most of the Trump supporters won't do so in public, but the Biden supporters mostly have no problem voicing their support. This may have something to do with Trump's polling numbers.
 
Interesting anomaly. I have a lot of friends that support Trump and a lot that support Biden. Most of the Trump supporters won't do so in public, but the Biden supporters mostly have no problem voicing their support. This may have something to do with Trump's polling numbers.
It is a little dangerous to "come out" as a Trump supporter. I'm old and long ago made but still I have held back at work because the establishment type, both parties, are scared, badly scared and a scared dog is dangerous. Put I have to admit that I welcome polls but never ever tell them the truth. I play their game and give misinformation by tell them I voted for Trump last time but will not this time. I am independent so they eat it up. I would not be surprised if lots of Trump supporters do the same. Why not? Trump tracts our donations and must have good idea if he has loss any votes. No one I know who voted for him has changed their minds.
 
Nicely put about ... like buying right now.... I will be stealing that one. I've stayed away from options only because I hate beating on timing and picking the stock. I never leverage with margin for the same reason. Since I never gamble rent money, I like to have the choice to hang on as long as I choose. Not saying that is smart all the time.

I 2016 I collected on both sides because my Irish bookie paid off on Hilary bets early( I hedged my larger Trump bet). It was a very nice night, money wise. Hey, consensus seems to be against Trump so I would not expect anyone to accept me opinion but I would warn that objective predictions, even any objective raw data is very hard to find. I am avoiding most news these days because I want to avoid all the echo chambers. Personally I hope the polling continues the way it is. If the odds get right, I don't mind placing another wager with part of 2016 winnings. However, I bet I would love to have would require Hilary to be his VP pick and Biden win the election and find a over/under on how long before he has a run in with mugger? One would think after the swearing in but Hiliary probably wants to do the hole transition of power with Trump to rub salt in wounds. Ah, he is stupid enough to pick her. Make money and stay safe.

All this BLM and Corona outrage will be harnessed into a get out and vote campaign. Trump lost the last popular vote. He will get crushed in the next one if minorities and the youth turn out. Imo of course. Certainly Biden is a weak candidate and capable of ******* it up.
 
i am long DAL Jan ‘21 $35 calls. On May 15th I was way under water. Common was at like $18. Today I’m up 330%. What a world. I promised myself I would not touch them until at least August, then I’ll take a look and decide whether to sell or hold.

You think they have a lot of room to run still?

I don't deal in options or shorts, so if you are high risk and already up, I would back away. If you were just conventionally holding a stock like Delta, then yes. I do see more upside to them, assuming no time limit. Keep in mind, business is down TODAY. Also, if their competition folds, they get the business in a post COVID world.
 
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All this BLM and Corona outrage will be harnessed into a get out and vote campaign. Trump lost the last popular vote. He will get crushed in the next one if minorities and the youth turn out. Imo of course. Certainly Biden is a weak candidate and capable of ******* it up.
Biden may very well run up the numbers in California, New York and Illinois, but that doesn't hurt Trump at all. It only makes Biden look artifically strong nationally. Its the swing states that matter and Trump is polling a lot better.
 
It is a little dangerous to "come out" as a Trump supporter. I'm old and long ago made but still I have held back at work because the establishment type, both parties, are scared, badly scared and a scared dog is dangerous. Put I have to admit that I welcome polls but never ever tell them the truth. I play their game and give misinformation by tell them I voted for Trump last time but will not this time. I am independent so they eat it up. I would not be surprised if lots of Trump supporters do the same. Why not? Trump tracts our donations and must have good idea if he has loss any votes. No one I know who voted for him has changed their minds.
Some of my friends who support Biden are on pins and needles everytime Biden gives a speech. They're really worried he's going to say something damaging just like Trump does.
 
Biden may very well run up the numbers in California, New York and Illinois, but that doesn't hurt Trump at all. It only makes Biden look artifically strong nationally. Its the swing states that matter and Trump is polling a lot better.

The campaigns (and other organizations) do scientific state-specific swing-state polling. The national stuff is important for sentiment, but its the handful of states that decide the election that are seeing numerous polls in the field continuously. That said, no one like to vote for a loser, and seeing your candidate behind significantly nationally can hurt turnout. What's interesting to me is that, (IMO) Trump won because people basically wanted to blow the whole thing up, and turned out to lob a grenade. With Covid-19, and Black Lives Matter, Biden could get the vote out as people of all races are very passionate right now about the pro-equality agenda in the cities. I saw a stat (I am paraphrasing) that if 5% of the African-American voters who stayed home in 2016 in any one of Milwaukee, Detroit, etc had turned up, the election would have flipped.

FYI: people who follow this stuff carefully for financial reasons (or other) know that pollsters have adjusted their sampling and weighting procedures to correct for some of the problems that occurred in 2016. Not saying they are ironclad, but they are supposedly much improved.

Let me put it this way... if Trump improves by 5 points (that's huge) in every single state, Biden will win handily. So contrary to all the supposed improvements made to the polling, Trump needs a big, big swing to get back on top. He's in real trouble in MN, PA and MI right now, of course NC, AZ, WI, OH and FL are in play, and nationally he is in double digit disapproval land.

You can't see the internals here, but this is good way to keep up on the public polling:

 
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The campaigns (and other organizations) do scientific state-specific swing-state polling. The national stuff is important for sentiment, but its the handful of states that decide the election that are seeing numerous polls in the field continuously. That said, no one like to vote for a loser, and seeing your candidate behind significantly nationally can hurt turnout. What's interesting to me is that, (IMO) Trump won because people basically wanted to blow the whole thing up, and turned out to lob a grenade. With Covid-19, and Black Lives Matter, Biden could get the vote out as people of all races are very passionate right now about the pro-equality agenda in the cities. I saw a stat (I am paraphrasing) that if 5% of the African-American voters who stayed home in 2016 in any one of Milwaukee, Detroit, etc had turned up, the election would have flipped.

FYI: people who follow this stuff carefully for financial reasons (or other) know that pollsters have adjusted their sampling and weighting procedures to correct for some of the problems that occurred in 2016. Not saying they are ironclad, but they are supposedly much improved.

Let me put it this way... if Trump improves by 5 points (that's huge) in every single state, Biden will win handily. So contrary to all the supposed improvements made to the polling, Trump needs a big, big swing to get back on top. He's in real trouble in MN, PA and MI right now, of course NC, AZ, WI, OH and FL are in play, and nationally he is in double digit disapproval land.

You can't see the internals here, but this is good way to keep up on the public polling:


All this covid/blm is great and all but its freaking june

People are already discussing covid less and less because of BLM, you think BLM protests will keep happening towards september? Doubtful

People also have short term memory, I agree with the BLM protests and have no issues with it, but do you think the main voters, white, actually give two ***** about it and aren't just in the moment with it because they want to feel all good and dandy like they did something?
 
All this covid/blm is great and all but its freaking june

People are already discussing covid less and less because of BLM, you think BLM protests will keep happening towards september? Doubtful

People also have short term memory, I agree with the BLM protests and have no issues with it, but do you think the main voters, white, actually give two ***** about it and aren't just in the moment with it because they want to feel all good and dandy like they did something?
Biden has major flaws, as does Trump but the difference is Biden will be forced to answer a lot of tough questions from now to the election. That, and he likely has some cognitive issues, like me, but I'm not running for president.
 
The campaigns (and other organizations) do scientific state-specific swing-state polling. The national stuff is important for sentiment, but its the handful of states that decide the election that are seeing numerous polls in the field continuously. That said, no one like to vote for a loser, and seeing your candidate behind significantly nationally can hurt turnout. What's interesting to me is that, (IMO) Trump won because people basically wanted to blow the whole thing up, and turned out to lob a grenade. With Covid-19, and Black Lives Matter, Biden could get the vote out as people of all races are very passionate right now about the pro-equality agenda in the cities. I saw a stat (I am paraphrasing) that if 5% of the African-American voters who stayed home in 2016 in any one of Milwaukee, Detroit, etc had turned up, the election would have flipped.

FYI: people who follow this stuff carefully for financial reasons (or other) know that pollsters have adjusted their sampling and weighting procedures to correct for some of the problems that occurred in 2016. Not saying they are ironclad, but they are supposedly much improved.

Let me put it this way... if Trump improves by 5 points (that's huge) in every single state, Biden will win handily. So contrary to all the supposed improvements made to the polling, Trump needs a big, big swing to get back on top. He's in real trouble in MN, PA and MI right now, of course NC, AZ, WI, OH and FL are in play, and nationally he is in double digit disapproval land.

You can't see the internals here, but this is good way to keep up on the public polling:

What it comes down to is a lot of people are going to do what they did with Bill, George and Barak. Their going to say this guys no good, he's ruining the country and I wish I never voted for him. Then, they'll turn around and vote for Trump because he hasn't quite
crossed the line.
 
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