Stephen Morris - The Regression

[AUcane]

I think it's an error to minimize Fisch. Morris has never shown the ability to throw into coverage against a good team but this year's Unc is a game where I think he wouldve had Morris rolling--a bad defense that really can't manage us up front. We've really only seen Morris perform adequately against one defense with a pulse and even then he was error prone. We must also acknowledge that in his limited time here Fisch showed the ability to take error prone qb's and reduce turnovers. Morris pre and post Fisch is actually kind of similar in terms of picks.

With respect to Williams, I think the coaches know that their best shot to put up significant points against teams that will stop our run is Morris. We'll only beat Fsu for instance if Morris plays out of his mind. We can beat mediocre teams with Williams or a poorly-performing Morris, but only an outstanding Morris allows us to compete in the upper echelon.

First interception was not on Morris. North Carolina stunted and Feliciano must have had outside zone pass pro. The stunting end got right into Morris's face and he couldn't follow through and the pass sailed. Second one was clearly on Morris. He could have stepped up in the pocket but he threw off his back foot and the ball sailed again. I'm not sure you can blame Morris on the third one. The screen was going to work big time but our boy Henderson blew the play. He couldn't finish his block on #95 and got into the line of the pass. #95 was going to blow up the play anyway. The fourth one was clearly on Morris and he made a very bad decision rolling to his right.

I put that first one on Morris, he threw a terrible ball that took 6 minutes to get there.

I put the first one one morris as well. Yes, he was feeling the rush, but he made a horrendous throw off his back foot (from one hash to the other, iirc).

Kind of hard following through his throw when he got lit up by the defensive end who was stunting. He stood in the pocket and no way he was going to see the guy. That's a pass Morris can make if he can step through his throw. I'd suggest you go watch the video.

That's my point. He gave up on his mechanics and tried to arm it across the field. I interpret that as a "bad decision".

 

[jakeman1]

He didn't look particularly crisp, even against FAU or SSU. I thought he was starting to put it together better against USF, but I still think that ankle injury is affecting him, not just the footwork, but he seems skittish in the pocket now.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

posted in the WEZ....and Morris has players around him

Kyle Wright: 807 att 59.2% comp 7.2 yards/att 38 tds 31 ints 127.8 rating

Stephen Morris: 740 att 58.1% comp 8.3 yards/att 37 tds 26 ints 137.3

So what? Wright threw for 2403 yards with 18 touchdowns and 10 interceptions with a 58.1 completion percentage his sophomore season. Dan Werner was competent and he did wonders with Berlin the year before. It all went to **** when Coker through Werner under the bus and brought in that moron, Rich Olson and then Wright got "Nixed" a year later.

 

[Gamineal]

posted in the WEZ....and Morris has players around him

Kyle Wright: 807 att 59.2% comp 7.2 yards/att 38 tds 31 ints 127.8 rating

Stephen Morris: 740 att 58.1% comp 8.3 yards/att 37 tds 26 ints 137.3

So what? Wright threw for 2403 yards with 18 touchdowns and 10 interceptions with a 58.1 completion percentage his sophomore season. Dan Werner was competent and he did wonders with Berlin the year before. It all went to **** when Coker through Werner under the bus and brought in that moron, Rich Olson and then Wright got "Nixed" a year later.

Okay....Okay....

 

[Pentagon Cane]

First interception was not on Morris. North Carolina stunted and Feliciano must have had outside zone pass pro. The stunting end got right into Morris's face and he couldn't follow through and the pass sailed. Second one was clearly on Morris. He could have stepped up in the pocket but he threw off his back foot and the ball sailed again. I'm not sure you can blame Morris on the third one. The screen was going to work big time but our boy Henderson blew the play. He couldn't finish his block on #95 and got into the line of the pass. #95 was going to blow up the play anyway. The fourth one was clearly on Morris and he made a very bad decision rolling to his right.

I put that first one on Morris, he threw a terrible ball that took 6 minutes to get there.

I put the first one one morris as well. Yes, he was feeling the rush, but he made a horrendous throw off his back foot (from one hash to the other, iirc).

Kind of hard following through his throw when he got lit up by the defensive end who was stunting. He stood in the pocket and no way he was going to see the guy. That's a pass Morris can make if he can step through his throw. I'd suggest you go watch the video.

That's my point. He gave up on his mechanics and tried to arm it across the field. I interpret that as a "bad decision".

Please go watch the video before you response. With all due respect, your point is dead wrong on the play. He gave up on his mechanics on that play BECAUSE HE WAS LIT UP! There was no way to stop his motion and there was no way to see the end the way he stunted.

 

[HurricaneU]

I was expecting to see something like this when I opened the thread.

 

[AUcane]

I put that first one on Morris, he threw a terrible ball that took 6 minutes to get there.

I put the first one one morris as well. Yes, he was feeling the rush, but he made a horrendous throw off his back foot (from one hash to the other, iirc).

Kind of hard following through his throw when he got lit up by the defensive end who was stunting. He stood in the pocket and no way he was going to see the guy. That's a pass Morris can make if he can step through his throw. I'd suggest you go watch the video.

That's my point. He gave up on his mechanics and tried to arm it across the field. I interpret that as a "bad decision".

Please go watch the video before you response. With all due respect, your point is dead wrong on the play. He gave up on his mechanics on that play BECAUSE HE WAS LIT UP! There was no way to stop his motion and there was no way to see the end the way he stunted.

We can agree to disagree. I rewatched and I still stand by my point. He starts his throwing motion flat footed before he got lit up (one can argue that he threw it flat footed because he knew he didn't have time to throw into it - hence where my "bad decision" comment comes from). It was from one hash to another - a throw that is hard/dangerous enough to make stepping into it.

 

[Dynasty]

The guy on the bench is always better than the guy the coaches see every day and think gives the team the best chance to win. Williams looks good in garbage time against crappy teams, and all of a sudden he's Aaron Rodgers. Morris has certainly had his problems, but at some point people have to trust the coaches to put the best guy out there. If they thought Williams was a better option, he'd be out there, especially with Morris not 100%. They know a lot more than we do.

HE UNDERSTANDS and Morris does not, very simple.

Apparently it isn't that simple, because the coaches seem to think that Morris at 75% is better than Williams at 100%. I think that's very telling.

Or maybe they're smart enough to realize there's more ramifications to starting a QB controversy on a 6-0 team than the fans appreciate. Here are but a few considerations:
1. They know what they have in Morris even though he's erratic. They really have no idea what will happen with Williams. He might tear it up, and he might sht the bed. You can only judge so much on practice. If he tanks, then the season is pretty much dead because you've probably killed Morris by benching him.
2. How will benching the senior QB on a 6-0 team play in the locker room, especially when you've set the senior QB up as one of the two team leaders with Shayon Green? You bench the captain on a 6-0 team haphazardly? I wouldn't.

QB controversies rarely result in good things happening. The Don might be saying things publicly, but he knows that benching Morris is the absolute last resort on a 6-0 team that is still playing for everything.

Absolutely agree on all points. That's why I've stated before that Williams will only start if we're out of championship contention, or Morris is injured and can't go. If we are getting railed by fSu, I can see Williams coming in and getting some reps. The following game, however, I still think Golden starts Morris. If by chance we lose to vT, I can definitely see Golden turning the key over to Williams and letting him guide the ship. It would be similar to the KKelly and Dorsey situation in '99.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

I put the first one one morris as well. Yes, he was feeling the rush, but he made a horrendous throw off his back foot (from one hash to the other, iirc).

Kind of hard following through his throw when he got lit up by the defensive end who was stunting. He stood in the pocket and no way he was going to see the guy. That's a pass Morris can make if he can step through his throw. I'd suggest you go watch the video.

That's my point. He gave up on his mechanics and tried to arm it across the field. I interpret that as a "bad decision".

Please go watch the video before you response. With all due respect, your point is dead wrong on the play. He gave up on his mechanics on that play BECAUSE HE WAS LIT UP! There was no way to stop his motion and there was no way to see the end the way he stunted.

We can agree to disagree. I rewatched and I still stand by my point. He starts his throwing motion flat footed before he got lit up (one can argue that he threw it flat footed because he knew he didn't have time to throw into it - hence where my "bad decision" comment comes from). It was from one hash to another - a throw that is hard/dangerous enough to make stepping into it.

On the second interception that's pretty much what happened. Morris is just erratic with his footwork. You can't rep him enough on 2, 3 and 5 step drills as well as just straight drive drills.

 

[FullyERicht]

- Fisch's WCO spread is QB numbers friendly
- Coley's more balanced offense means more demands on the QB to be accurate and properly make reads
- the above two have shown you why spread QBs in college often struggle in the NFL, bc average QBs such as Morris are made to look better than they actually are
- he's learning a new system, his third in 4 years
- he's injured

/end the thread.......

 

[The Franchise]

I think it's an error to minimize Fisch. Morris has never shown the ability to throw into coverage against a good team but this year's Unc is a game where I think he wouldve had Morris rolling--a bad defense that really can't manage us up front. We've really only seen Morris perform adequately against one defense with a pulse and even then he was error prone. We must also acknowledge that in his limited time here Fisch showed the ability to take error prone qb's and reduce turnovers. Morris pre and post Fisch is actually kind of similar in terms of picks.

With respect to Williams, I think the coaches know that their best shot to put up significant points against teams that will stop our run is Morris. We'll only beat Fsu for instance if Morris plays out of his mind. We can beat mediocre teams with Williams or a poorly-performing Morris, but only an outstanding Morris allows us to compete in the upper echelon.

First interception was not on Morris. North Carolina stunted and Feliciano must have had outside zone pass pro. The stunting end got right into Morris's face and he couldn't follow through and the pass sailed. Second one was clearly on Morris. He could have stepped up in the pocket but he threw off his back foot and the ball sailed again. I'm not sure you can blame Morris on the third one. The screen was going to work big time but our boy Henderson blew the play. He couldn't finish his block on #95 and got into the line of the pass. #95 was going to blow up the play anyway. The fourth one was clearly on Morris and he made a very bad decision rolling to his right.

I put that first one on Morris, he threw a terrible ball that took 6 minutes to get there.

They were all on Morris. He made a bunch of horrible throws in that game. And I don't know how anyone can blame Hendo when he was standing still and Morris drilled him in the head with the ball. Hendo might have been in the wrong spot, but Morris still threw the pass off his dome. He didn't have to do that.

 

[The Franchise]

The guy on the bench is always better than the guy the coaches see every day and think gives the team the best chance to win. Williams looks good in garbage time against crappy teams, and all of a sudden he's Aaron Rodgers. Morris has certainly had his problems, but at some point people have to trust the coaches to put the best guy out there. If they thought Williams was a better option, he'd be out there, especially with Morris not 100%. They know a lot more than we do.

HE UNDERSTANDS and Morris does not, very simple.

Apparently it isn't that simple, because the coaches seem to think that Morris at 75% is better than Williams at 100%. I think that's very telling.

Or maybe they're smart enough to realize there's more ramifications to starting a QB controversy on a 6-0 team than the fans appreciate. Here are but a few considerations:
1. They know what they have in Morris even though he's erratic. They really have no idea what will happen with Williams. He might tear it up, and he might sht the bed. You can only judge so much on practice. If he tanks, then the season is pretty much dead because you've probably killed Morris by benching him.
2. How will benching the senior QB on a 6-0 team play in the locker room, especially when you've set the senior QB up as one of the two team leaders with Shayon Green? You bench the captain on a 6-0 team haphazardly? I wouldn't.

QB controversies rarely result in good things happening. The Don might be saying things publicly, but he knows that benching Morris is the absolute last resort on a 6-0 team that is still playing for everything.

Absolutely agree on all points. That's why I've stated before that Williams will only start if we're out of championship contention, or Morris is injured and can't go. If we are getting railed by fSu, I can see Williams coming in and getting some reps. The following game, however, I still think Golden starts Morris. If by chance we lose to vT, I can definitely see Golden turning the key over to Williams and letting him guide the ship. It would be similar to the KKelly and Dorsey situation in '99.

It's exactly the way I see it. We won't see Williams unless Morris tanks against Vag Tech. As much as we all want to beat fsu, this whole season comes down to what we do with Vag Tech. Beat them, and we still have everything to play for. Lose to them, and it's time to see what Williams can do.