Someone is calling out FSU about them duffles....

[Andrew]

I am sure bag men exist but Alabama doesn't need them.

I'm shocked at how naive you are for such a smart guy. If you're being serious here (wink).

Ok, so why would Alabama need bag men to get the players they get. Why would these players not be interested in Alabama without getting paid.

 

[Distructobot3000]

I am sure bag men exist but Alabama doesn't need them.

I'm shocked at how naive you are for such a smart guy. If you're being serious here (wink).

Ok, so why would Alabama need bag men to get the players they get. Why would these players not be interested in Alabama without getting paid.

Because when going up against other upper escelon teams (with great tradition, facilities, game day experience, ect.) that are throwing around cash for top notch players they naturally, have to compete. You really think Bama's run of success is all they need to land anyone they want vs teams like LSU, OSU, FSU if those teams were also offering thousands of dollars in additional benefits to kids who, in many cases, are not very well off? To me, the answer seems obvious

 

[yeyo]

not sure if this is true but I encourage spreading any and all negative information about that program by all means retweet and share the **** out of that.

I did my part

 

[CaneFan79]

Alabama does nothing wrong and is a model for building a winning program.

You're a smart guy, but Alabama's numerous secondary violation reports, AKA "See, our NCAA rules are followed by everyone" deception at least proves this to be a false statement. Are you familiar with organized deception? Here is the military definition:

"...refers to attempts to mislead enemy forces during warfare. This is usually achieved by creating or amplifying an artificial fog of war via psychological operations, information warfare, visual deception and other methods."

All those secondary reports feed into the NCAA/E$ECPN narrative (AKA deception) of legitimcy. If we have learned anything about the media this past year is that the narrative desired by the controlling intrests trumps (no pun intended) the truth.

Would you feel so confident if a condition for Alabama, after winning a national championship on the field, would be their passing (no major violation of NCAA rules) a rigorous third party inspection and audit of all their compliance practices, from recruiting to obligation of funds to cell phone records and off season employment? Your in Atlanta, a winning race car at AMS has to pass a NASCAR tech spec inspection after taking the checkered flag, why not the same in CFB?

Wisdom is being smart, but tempering it with experience...

I don't think Alabama and any program should have to go through a special audit of their program just because they win. I have no problem if the NCAA decided to institute more detailed rules in regards to compliance and if penalties become more harsh. For starts I think football players should be help to the same standard of drug compliance as track athletes who are often tested at meets with no advanced warning. The only difference is instead of nulling the results like in track I think you suspend the football player going forward.

Alabama, Miami and most schools commit secondary infractions. Some of these things are basic like a football player using a hose at the football facility to wash his car or a team going over the practice time limit by a hour or two one week. The problem with the whole idea that Alabama is cheating is it lacks a reason on why they would need to cheat. Going to Alabama guarantees you as a player a National Championship, top notch facilities and a coaching staff that will develop you. Miami can offer a beach and night life. I am sure bag men exist but Alabama doesn't need them. If I had a kid player football, there would only be 2 schools I would hope he would consider, Miami and Alabama.

1. NO program goes through any audit, inspection or other means of surveillance unless the NCAA determines some outside source who reports something warrents an investigation. If that happens, the best thing you can do is hire Louie Freeh or some academic to write a report on your institution's failings and the NCAA will either reduce penalties or slap your wrist (see Pedo State/UNC) IF you are a state school. Private and don't do this? See Miami's years long NCAA torture using unethical tactics.

2. No comment on per sport Athletic Department spending caps? Do you like college wrestling being killed off by spending limitations and Title IX? Would the NFL be anyway competitive without the salary cap? I'm sure Yankees or Redsox or Cubs being World Champions every year would be great. Do the Royals win the crown WITHOUT the MLB luxury tax? Is OKC at least competitive in the past years with no NBA salary cap?
Is Alabama that much smarter or is the number of coaches available to break tape, work with players, recruit all over the country the reason? Ever heard of man-hours? Alabama has an exponential advantage in them compared to smaller programs. The NCAA's stated purpose is to keep a competive balance between schools, yet nothing that would actually do this (aforementioned athletic department spending caps per sport, booster registration and financial transaction monitoring, comprehensive ALL SCHOOLS compliance inspection system, unified and graded officiating, etc.) is in place.

3. Your looking for a "reason to cheat" when it has long been incorporated into the program's culture. To invoke NASCAR again (famous for it's "Alabama Gang" in the 70s, BTW), "If you ain't cheatin' you aint winning," hence the after race tech inspection. It's precisely be cause the NCAA won't swoop in unexpectedly (****, someone up there in Indy is probably receiving some 'Bama side $$ just in case) and inspect that there is NO downside in setting up an appropriately discreet funding operation. Academic fraud? Do you think any of 'Bama's tutors writing papers or profs administering exams would put their livelihood and safety on the line to do a UNC? Probably not...And it goes against their personal culture anyway.

Maybe you guys can turn this into Roll Tide Insight, Buckeye Insight, Gator Insight, or Duck Insight when CFB is down to about 20 or so winning schools and the rest use the MAC formula, i.e. keep our jobs by offering up our student athletes as sacrificial lambs to the big boys.

My eventual grandchild isn't even going to play football; no use getting CTE so that a bunch of old boosters from 20 or so schools can get their jollies winning 76-0.

 

[Andrew]

I am sure bag men exist but Alabama doesn't need them.

I'm shocked at how naive you are for such a smart guy. If you're being serious here (wink).

Ok, so why would Alabama need bag men to get the players they get. Why would these players not be interested in Alabama without getting paid.

Because when going up against other upper escelon teams (with great tradition, facilities, game day experience, ect.) that are throwing around cash for top notch players they naturally, have to compete. You really think Bama's run of success is all they need to land anyone they want vs teams like LSU, OSU, FSU if those teams were also offering thousands of dollars in additional benefits to kids who, in many cases, are not very well off? To me, the answer seems obvious

The only problem with your statement is there isn't proof those teams are paying. When Miami wins our recruitment classes are so good as theirs. UGA all of a sudden has a top class, did they start paying? The answer is no, they got a coach selling his Alabama experience to recruits.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Ok, so why would Alabama need bag men to get the players they get. Why would these players not be interested in Alabama without getting paid.

Because there is a whole lot of competition for players.

Look, I appreciate your purity of thought, but I didn't know that people still believed that recruiting is on the level in college athletics.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

The only problem with your statement is there isn't proof those teams are paying.

Ya think? Don't you think they have this all figured out so there is no trail?

 

[DerekDohrman]

they took down the account due to too many personal threats

 

[Reshon52ap]

Alabama does nothing wrong and is a model for building a winning program. Alabama has proven that if you have the best coaches (and ops staff), the best facilities and in the middle of the most fertile recruiting ground in the country then you can win. There is no reason to hate Nick Saban because he wins or how he wins. I would gladly take Saban, the players he recruits and the offense and defenses his team runs in Miami.

I hope Clemson beats them though!

Andrew cut this **** out man ****

 

[Andrew]

Alabama does nothing wrong and is a model for building a winning program.

You're a smart guy, but Alabama's numerous secondary violation reports, AKA "See, our NCAA rules are followed by everyone" deception at least proves this to be a false statement. Are you familiar with organized deception? Here is the military definition:

"...refers to attempts to mislead enemy forces during warfare. This is usually achieved by creating or amplifying an artificial fog of war via psychological operations, information warfare, visual deception and other methods."

All those secondary reports feed into the NCAA/E$ECPN narrative (AKA deception) of legitimcy. If we have learned anything about the media this past year is that the narrative desired by the controlling intrests trumps (no pun intended) the truth.

Would you feel so confident if a condition for Alabama, after winning a national championship on the field, would be their passing (no major violation of NCAA rules) a rigorous third party inspection and audit of all their compliance practices, from recruiting to obligation of funds to cell phone records and off season employment? Your in Atlanta, a winning race car at AMS has to pass a NASCAR tech spec inspection after taking the checkered flag, why not the same in CFB?

Wisdom is being smart, but tempering it with experience...

I don't think Alabama and any program should have to go through a special audit of their program just because they win. I have no problem if the NCAA decided to institute more detailed rules in regards to compliance and if penalties become more harsh. For starts I think football players should be help to the same standard of drug compliance as track athletes who are often tested at meets with no advanced warning. The only difference is instead of nulling the results like in track I think you suspend the football player going forward.

Alabama, Miami and most schools commit secondary infractions. Some of these things are basic like a football player using a hose at the football facility to wash his car or a team going over the practice time limit by a hour or two one week. The problem with the whole idea that Alabama is cheating is it lacks a reason on why they would need to cheat. Going to Alabama guarantees you as a player a National Championship, top notch facilities and a coaching staff that will develop you. Miami can offer a beach and night life. I am sure bag men exist but Alabama doesn't need them. If I had a kid player football, there would only be 2 schools I would hope he would consider, Miami and Alabama.

1. NO program goes through any audit, inspection or other means of surveillance unless the NCAA determines some outside source who reports something warrents an investigation. If that happens, the best thing you can do is hire Louie Freeh or some academic to write a report on your institution's failings and the NCAA will either reduce penalties or slap your wrist (see Pedo State/UNC) IF you are a state school. Private and don't do this? See Miami's years long NCAA torture using unethical tactics.

2. No comment on per sport Athletic Department spending caps? Do you like college wrestling being killed off by spending limitations and Title IX? Would the NFL be anyway competitive without the salary cap? I'm sure Yankees or Redsox or Cubs being World Champions every year would be great. Do the Royals win the crown WITHOUT the MLB luxury tax? Is OKC at least competitive in the past years with no NBA salary cap?
Is Alabama that much smarter or is the number of coaches available to break tape, work with players, recruit all over the country the reason? Ever heard of man-hours? Alabama has an exponential advantage in them compared to smaller programs. The NCAA's stated purpose is to keep a competive balance between schools, yet nothing that would actually do this (aforementioned athletic department spending caps per sport, booster registration and financial transaction monitoring, comprehensive ALL SCHOOLS compliance inspection system, unified and graded officiating, etc.) is in place.

3. Your looking for a "reason to cheat" when it has long been incorporated into the program's culture. To invoke NASCAR again (famous for it's "Alabama Gang" in the 70s, BTW), "If you ain't cheatin' you aint winning," hence the after race tech inspection. It's precisely be cause the NCAA won't swoop in unexpectedly (****, someone up there in Indy is probably receiving some 'Bama side $$ just in case) and inspect that there is NO downside in setting up an appropriately discreet funding operation. Academic fraud? Do you think any of 'Bama's tutors writing papers or profs administering exams would but their livelihood and safety on the line to do a UNC? Probably not...And it goes against their personal culture anyway.

Maybe you guys can turn this into Roll Tide Insight, Buckeye Insight, Gator Insight, or Duck Insight when CFB is down to about 20 or so winning schools and the rest use the MAC formula, i.e. keep our jobs by offering up our student athletes as sacrificial lambs to the big boys.

My eventual grandchild isn't even going to play football; no use getting CTE so that a bunch of old boosters from 20 or so schools can get their jollies winning 76-0.

1) I never said any program goes through an audit process, but there is compliance which in of itself a self reported audit. If schools are caught lying it could trigger an investigation. I think this process is fair, and the NCAA should continue to treat each school the same.

2) I am not a fan of losing college wrestling (wrestled 171), but title IX exist so I am not sure anything can be done about it for now. I am happy by wife had no college debt and was able to get an excellent condition for free because she happened to be good at a sport. Salary caps are interesting, but I don't think that is necessary unless you are paying players. The salary cap in every sport I know of doesn't apply to coaches. Considering Miami is paying Mark Richt over 4m I think a salary cap would only hurt us. Nick Saban is the most successful coach in college football and deserves every penny he makes.

3) If you want the NCAA to inspect our equipment before and after he game, I so no issue in it. I am not sure you can compare he 2, but perhaps you could shape some weight off the help and shoulder pads, I don't know. If you want a drug test before and after, I also have no issue with that, as long as it is done to all teams. I don't believe the professors at Alabama are much different than other schools. In fact I happen to know (2nd hand) at least one degree very friendly with Alabama football players. I also know (2nd hand) that they are told what classes not to take. Needles to say I think this happens at all schools. If it makes you feel any better I do no of one SEC school where you can (at least you could 7 years ago) get paid a five hundred bucks to cut a $40 lawn. Too bad this team sucks.

I root against Alabama, Ohio State, Florida and Florida State every week. If these schools start losing it will help Miami. I also root for most SEC schools to lose since currently getting a SEC offer is a higher level of a D1 offer. I hope my eventual son plays football and it would be great if he was good enough to player at Miami. If he was good enough and didn't want attend the U, it better be due to him wanting to attend a school like Alabama.

 

[DerekDohrman]

 

[Andrew]

Ok, so why would Alabama need bag men to get the players they get. Why would these players not be interested in Alabama without getting paid.

Because there is a whole lot of competition for players.

Look, I appreciate your purity of thought, but I didn't know that people still believed that recruiting is on the level in college athletics.

High School players want the Alabama offer because they know its the best. The may end up staying up and playing for a local team so their family can watch them player, but outside of that Alabama holds the advantage. Look at schools like IMG and now every school in south Florida. Players don't have pride in their own hood anymore, and somehow you think they got pride in staying in the 305?

 

[Andrew]

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This account has produced no proof.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

I am sure bag men exist but Alabama doesn't need them.

I'm shocked at how naive you are for such a smart guy. If you're being serious here (wink).

Ok, so why would Alabama need bag men to get the players they get. Why would these players not be interested in Alabama without getting paid.

Because when going up against other upper escelon teams (with great tradition, facilities, game day experience, ect.) that are throwing around cash for top notch players they naturally, have to compete. You really think Bama's run of success is all they need to land anyone they want vs teams like LSU, OSU, FSU if those teams were also offering thousands of dollars in additional benefits to kids who, in many cases, are not very well off? To me, the answer seems obvious

The only problem with your statement is there isn't proof those teams are paying. When Miami wins our recruitment classes are so good as theirs. UGA all of a sudden has a top class, did they start paying? The answer is no, they got a coach selling his Alabama experience to recruits.

You realize Ole Miss is currently under investigation after having had some of the best recruiting classes in the country in recent years, right?

And I'm sure this story is about every SEC program other than Bama: Meet the Bag Man - SBNation.com

 

[datcaneguy]

Alabama does nothing wrong and is a model for building a winning program. Alabama has proven that if you have the best coaches (and ops staff), the best facilities and in the middle of the most fertile recruiting ground in the country then you can win. There is no reason to hate Nick Saban because he wins or how he wins. I would gladly take Saban, the players he recruits and the offense and defenses his team runs in Miami.

I hope Clemson beats them though!

Andrew cut this **** out man ****

Even we were paying players in our dominating years...heck we even had a bounty system going. But Bama is running a clean program swiping up 5* recruits left and right? C'mon man

 

[PSU Cane]

I am sure bag men exist but Alabama doesn't need them.

I'm shocked at how naive you are for such a smart guy. If you're being serious here (wink).

Ok, so why would Alabama need bag men to get the players they get. Why would these players not be interested in Alabama without getting paid.

Because a lot of people want a little "extra" in their stocking come Christmas time. You think it's a coincidence these Bama kids sport expensive cars after going there? We get popped for rentals that an ex-girlfriend mentions. Bama kids flaunt them on IG and Twitter.

Bama wasn't always this Bama. They had to get back in the game to get to this level they are at now. I would wager everything i own there was more than a few shady handshake deals over the course of their epic run.

 

[Andrew]

I am sure bag men exist but Alabama doesn't need them.

I'm shocked at how naive you are for such a smart guy. If you're being serious here (wink).

Ok, so why would Alabama need bag men to get the players they get. Why would these players not be interested in Alabama without getting paid.

Because a lot of people want a little "extra" in their stocking come Christmas time. You think it's a coincidence these Bama kids sport expensive cars after going there? We get popped for rentals that an ex-girlfriend mentions. Bama kids flaunt them on IG and Twitter.

Bama wasn't always Bama. They had to get back in the game to get to this level they are at now. I would wager everything i own there was more than a few shady handshake deals over the course of their epic run.

No, and like I have explained numerous times, these cars are paid for with student loans. My wife purchased a car with a student loan while in college on a full athletic scholarship. It is perfectly legal, and these cars are used and cars under 30k, so maybe we define expensive differently.

 

[Distructobot3000]

I am sure bag men exist but Alabama doesn't need them.

I'm shocked at how naive you are for such a smart guy. If you're being serious here (wink).

Ok, so why would Alabama need bag men to get the players they get. Why would these players not be interested in Alabama without getting paid.

Because when going up against other upper escelon teams (with great tradition, facilities, game day experience, ect.) that are throwing around cash for top notch players they naturally, have to compete. You really think Bama's run of success is all they need to land anyone they want vs teams like LSU, OSU, FSU if those teams were also offering thousands of dollars in additional benefits to kids who, in many cases, are not very well off? To me, the answer seems obvious

The only problem with your statement is there isn't proof those teams are paying. When Miami wins our recruitment classes are so good as theirs. UGA all of a sudden has a top class, did they start paying? The answer is no, they got a coach selling his Alabama experience to recruits.

You asked "why would they have to" not if it was happening. My response was to the question that you posed. I watched the ESPN 30 for 30 special "Pony Express" and saw plenty of evidence (from the horse's mouths) that paying for recruits is an actual thing. If it is still going on (and I'm confident that it is) I highly doubt Bama's championship run is all the ammo they need to compete against teams throwing thousands of dollars at poor kids and their families

 

[Andrew]

I'm shocked at how naive you are for such a smart guy. If you're being serious here (wink).

Ok, so why would Alabama need bag men to get the players they get. Why would these players not be interested in Alabama without getting paid.

Because when going up against other upper escelon teams (with great tradition, facilities, game day experience, ect.) that are throwing around cash for top notch players they naturally, have to compete. You really think Bama's run of success is all they need to land anyone they want vs teams like LSU, OSU, FSU if those teams were also offering thousands of dollars in additional benefits to kids who, in many cases, are not very well off? To me, the answer seems obvious

The only problem with your statement is there isn't proof those teams are paying. When Miami wins our recruitment classes are so good as theirs. UGA all of a sudden has a top class, did they start paying? The answer is no, they got a coach selling his Alabama experience to recruits.

You realize Ole Miss is currently under investigation after having had some of the best recruiting classes in the country in recent years, right?

And I'm sure this story is about every SEC program other than Bama: Meet the Bag Man - SBNation.com

It is proof that the system works and when teams cheat they get caught. We got caught and so did Ole Miss. The article itself doesn't provide any proof that what the writer says is actually happening. It's basically a article explaining the most ideal way to cheat. I am sure sure some players do get paid (after all we got busted), but the SEC isn't winning because they are paying players, but instead because they are paying coaches, building facilities and convincing local athletes to stay near home for college. Miami could learn a lot from SEC schools.

 

[Andrew]

I'm shocked at how naive you are for such a smart guy. If you're being serious here (wink).

Ok, so why would Alabama need bag men to get the players they get. Why would these players not be interested in Alabama without getting paid.

Because when going up against other upper escelon teams (with great tradition, facilities, game day experience, ect.) that are throwing around cash for top notch players they naturally, have to compete. You really think Bama's run of success is all they need to land anyone they want vs teams like LSU, OSU, FSU if those teams were also offering thousands of dollars in additional benefits to kids who, in many cases, are not very well off? To me, the answer seems obvious

The only problem with your statement is there isn't proof those teams are paying. When Miami wins our recruitment classes are so good as theirs. UGA all of a sudden has a top class, did they start paying? The answer is no, they got a coach selling his Alabama experience to recruits.

You asked "why would they have to" not if it was happening. My response was to the question that you posed. I watched the ESPN 30 for 30 special "Pony Express" and saw plenty of evidence (from the horse's mouths) that paying for recruits is an actual thing. If it is still going on (and I'm confident that it is) I highly doubt Bama's championship run is all the ammo they need to compete against teams throwing thousands of dollars at poor kids and their families

SMU is different than Alabama. First they plan in a stadium that looks like it was build for a DII team. Their game day experience is terrible (I watch them play TCU a few years ago at SMU). For SMU to win they either need to run a gimmick offense or pay players. The difference between SMU and Miami is just as wide as the difference between Miami and Alabama. SMU got caught because they paid players, every school that has a system that this will eventually get caught. Alabama doesn't need it, SMU did.