Some UM Faculty Upset with Mario’s Deal

[TheOriginalCane]

This is categorically false. Do you know all the professors in every program to support this ludicrous statement?

He was an Engineering student (I was too at one point). After a couple of classes as a freshman, you never leave the College of Engineering. He has no idea about the professors at the rest of UM.

Plenty of great professors in, say, the School of Business, which is the largest School or College at UM (setting aside Arts & Sciences, which is just an amalgamation of a bunch of different academic majors).

In the 1980s and 1990s, the breakdown was roughly:

Arts & Sciences - nearly 2,500 students
Business - around 1,900 students
Music - around 800 students
Engineering - around 600 students

Even if UM has increased the class size, the ratios should still be close.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Perhaps, hear me out...

Miami should pay their faculty more.

You don't see the admin level bureaucrats complaining about pay...I wonder why that is?

You know the greatest job at UM?

When a UM professor gets a UM admin job.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Then let one of their players sponsor new, less rusty, more water-tight integrity troughs. The “gently” refurbished restroom can even have a plaque for its sponsorship.

Just hang that plaque at least 6 feet high...

 

[RVACane]

College professors are the most overrated group of human in America.

High school teachers are far more impactful & important.

(Especially the female teachers who sleep with their students..)

(That took a left turn didn’t it!)

 

[RVACane]

I say this with no exaggeration. A large portion of the complainers are marxists. And no I don’t mean the standard gop line that is pretending that average liberal or whatever is Marxist.

I mean that these academics studied him, read through his theories, and agree with the reasoning. I had an open marxist TA at UM. In English dept

SMH

Communists.

I don't think people understand just how radical university faculties are.

I remember there was a study that said 40% of professors in the social sciences and humanities identify as Marxists.

40 f*cking percent

And that's probably a low approximation.

I moved this thread to Off-Topic so you all can call em commies in peace.

 

[Skitz305]

Every single school that is paying a football coach millions of dollars has employees that don’t think it’s fair. Whatevs

But does the local paper publish an article voicing their whiny opinions?

 

[JD08]

Why should majors be tied to starting salaries?

Because why would you pay a professor hundreds of thousands to teach something that adds no value?

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

Yeah, remember the "Rutgers 1000", the Rutgers faculty members who were always protesting the funding and support of Rutgers Athletics?

Every god**** university in this country has anti-Athletics professors, some schools more than others. It is nothing new and it has absolutely nothing to do with politics.

Yep they're still going strong. LOL

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There's always going to be this internal fight. I just didn't realize UM's situation was THIS bad before this **** started.

 

[kkinder94]

From the article: “Many UM professors and other faculty — forced to teach in person…”

So a couple of snowflake justice warrior teachers at UM decided to vent their envy publicily, meanwhile they’re also complaining about having to teach “in person“.

Poor little teachers, have to actually show up to work - how sad.

Boo hoo.

Shut the fūck up and just fūcking teach, you whiny little beetches.

The college staff are all socialists or communists. They have no idea how to build anything of worth or create economic prosperity. They only work to get tenure so they can't get fired then complain that we should take from successful people to give to them.

 

[South AfriCane]

Because why would you pay a professor hundreds of thousands to teach something that adds no value?

Okay, but how you define value? You have one, very narrow definition of it (salary level). What about nurses? Their salaries aren’t high yet they add value. What about artists and musicians?

 

[JD08]

Okay, but how you define value? You have one, very narrow definition of it (salary level). What about nurses? Their salaries aren’t high yet they add value. What about artists and musicians?

Obviously it's a judgement call, but do you think a nursing instructor should make the same as a music instructor?

Do you think that a professor is worth >$200k/year?

 

[South AfriCane]

Obviously it's a judgement call, but do you think a nursing instructor should make the same as a music instructor?

Do you think that a professor is worth >$200k/year?

I have no opinion of a professor’s “worth”, or if an instructor in one discipline should make more or less than an instructor in another discipline. These are straw men arguments.

I take issue with your original point, which is that majors that don’t add value — defined as those associated with lower salary jobs — should be done away with.

 

[JD08]

I have no opinion of a professor’s “worth”, or if an instructor in one discipline should make more or less than an instructor in another discipline. These are straw men arguments.

I take issue with your original point, which is that majors that don’t add value — defined as those associated with lower salary jobs — should be done away with.

It's no great secret that STEM careers are the future. Why wouldn't you want to focus there?

Why encourage people to take on a large amount of student debt for a career that doesn't make a lot?

 

[mirvin88]

 

[South AfriCane]

It's no great secret that STEM careers are the future. Why wouldn't you want to focus there?

Why encourage people to take on a large amount of student debt for a career that doesn't make a lot?

Because not everyone is cut out for a career in STEM. A healthy, well-functioning society needs its artists, writers, poets, musicians, teachers, craftsmen and, yes, even journalists.

I do agree that student loan debt and the high-cost of tuition is a real problem, but these are tangential issues.

 

[JD08]

Because not everyone is cut out for a career in STEM. A healthy, well-functioning society needs its artists, writers, poets, musicians, teachers, craftsmen and, yes, even journalists.

I do agree that student loan debt and the high-cost of tuition is a real problem, but these are tangential issues.

Not really when you're talking about a private university with high tuition compared to a public university.

 

[gabednconfused]

This is categorically false. Do you know all the professors in every program to support this ludicrous statement?

 

[gabednconfused]

He was an Engineering student (I was too at one point). After a couple of classes as a freshman, you never leave the College of Engineering. He has no idea about the professors at the rest of UM.

Plenty of great professors in, say, the School of Business, which is the largest School or College at UM (setting aside Arts & Sciences, which is just an amalgamation of a bunch of different academic majors).

In the 1980s and 1990s, the breakdown was roughly:

Arts & Sciences - nearly 2,500 students
Business - around 1,900 students
Music - around 800 students
Engineering - around 600 students

Even if UM has increased the class size, the ratios should still be close.

Yeah, and I served most recently as one of the Capstone Project judges for the entire College of Engineering this past May, and I speak from first-hand experience when I say, the milk has absolutely gone bad. Rubbish.

 

[caneguy]

The school should make the faculty whole from the cuts made for Covid last year. They clearly have the money for it. Academia doesn't pay well, even if you are tenured. Having said that the timing of this is horse****, and I'd bet my life it's instigated by the same people fighting to prevent Miami from spending on athletics.

My grandfather life long academic has literal millions in his investment account, and has never held a job outside being a university professor, and has never even invested in anything but typical stocks. Professors are not hurting in their 401ks. You are talking about a bunch of 7 figure accounts when they actually hit retirement.
No the university which is a non profit does not need to make their accounts even fatter. It needs to spend on students or reduce tuition. It shouldn’t be a money making scheme for admins and profs, which it currently is.

 

[South AfriCane]

Yeah, and I served most recently as one of the Capstone Project judges for the entire College of Engineering this past May, and I speak from first-hand experience when I say, the milk has absolutely gone bad. Rubbish.