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wushah said:
Golden is all in on the program. Whether it be cradling Lewis or being practically in tears in his post-game interview on the field, he's fully immersed and you can tell. I don't know if he'll win big at UM, but I like what I'm seeing and the sense that I have that the program is in the right hands with him. He talks about having a young team, but I also see a young coach. There's going to be growing pains both with the players and with Golden I suspect. So long as there is growth with those growing pains, I think we're heading in the right direction. I think we'll see this play out favorably towards the end of next year and onwards. Personally, I'm okay with being patient with the process so long as the process is actually playing out to Miami's favor. So, be it a year or two, I'm okay because the foundation is being rebuilt so that we can not only win but reload rather than rebuild in the future.
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This. ****. I had a hard time watching that interview with him because he kept turning his head. You could see and feel how much he just wanted to pour his heart out there but realized it wasn't the time for it.
 
A major difference between Al and Randy lies in their understanding of feelings toward other people. Randy was aloof and maybe even a bit cold. Al likes people; people like Al. This helps him relate to the players, the assistant coaches, the press, the alumni, and the kids' parents.

I am not very outgoing myself, so I mean no slight to Randy by bringing this up, but Al brings a strong element of warmth to the situation, a warmth that makes rooting for his team more enjoyable.
 
As difficult it is to agree with someone that picked the eagles to win it all in the league, I like what D$ wrote here. Lots to look forward to.
 
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JHallCanes said:
wushah said:
Golden is all in on the program. Whether it be cradling Lewis or being practically in tears in his post-game interview on the field, he's fully immersed and you can tell. I don't know if he'll win big at UM, but I like what I'm seeing and the sense that I have that the program is in the right hands with him. He talks about having a young team, but I also see a young coach. There's going to be growing pains both with the players and with Golden I suspect. So long as there is growth with those growing pains, I think we're heading in the right direction. I think we'll see this play out favorably towards the end of next year and onwards. Personally, I'm okay with being patient with the process so long as the process is actually playing out to Miami's favor. So, be it a year or two, I'm okay because the foundation is being rebuilt so that we can not only win but reload rather than rebuild in the future.
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This. ****. I had a hard time watching that interview with him because he kept turning his head. You could see and feel how much he just wanted to pour his heart out there but realized it wasn't the time for it.
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Yea hopefully he poured it all out in the locker room after so we can see it in the raising canes video lol
 
arcane said:
A major difference between Al and Randy lies in their understanding of feelings toward other people. Randy was aloof and maybe even a bit cold. Al likes people; people like Al. This helps him relate to the players, the assistant coaches, the press, the alumni, and the kids' parents.

I am not very outgoing myself, so I mean no slight to Randy by bringing this up, but Al brings a strong element of warmth to the situation, a warmth that makes rooting for his team more enjoyable.
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+1 I'm so happy I'll never have to see the blank look on Randy's face after a penalty or TO. He just seemed to never show any emotion. Of course our team would come out flat many games because the players take on the coaches personality.
 
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My thought from the game is I can't believe Paul Johnson punted on 4th and a foot with 2 minutes remaining, and it's even more bizarre that there's been so little discussion of it.

Football fans have really been brainwashed into inept evaluation of variables and applied probability if they think a punt even threatened to be the correct decision. For an aggressive coach like Johnson who goes for it on 4th down all the time not to recognize the immense value of making the first down to all but end the game was one of the most idiotic decisions I've ever seen during a Canes game. He bought (the likelihood of) 30 or 40 yards with a punt. That doesn't begin to make up for what he forfeited, and he properly paid for it. In college games the clock finds every excuse to stop down the stretch. Two minutes and one time out was an eternity, particularly when Georgia Tech hadn't demonstrated any ability to slow the Canes. Also, in the NFL there's a massive difference between touchdown likelihood if you take over at the 10 or 20 as opposed to significantly further upfield. But the percentage doesn't vary nearly as dramatically in college. It's like Paul Johnson and other college coaches don't differentiate, no doubt because football commentators have spent decades pushing flawed conventional wisdom thinking.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
My thought from the game is I can't believe Paul Johnson punted on 4th and a foot with 2 minutes remaining, and it's even more bizarre that there's been so little discussion of it.

Football fans have really been brainwashed into inept evaluation of variables and applied probability if they think a punt even threatened to be the correct decision. For an aggressive coach like Johnson who goes for it on 4th down all the time not to recognize the immense value of making the first down to all but end the game was one of the most idiotic decisions I've ever seen during a Canes game. He bought (the likelihood of) 30 or 40 yards with a punt. That doesn't begin to make up for what he forfeited, and he properly paid for it. In college games the clock finds every excuse to stop down the stretch. Two minutes and one time out was an eternity, particularly when Georgia Tech hadn't demonstrated any ability to slow the Canes. Also, in the NFL there's a massive difference between touchdown likelihood if you take over at the 10 or 20 as opposed to significantly further upfield. But the percentage doesn't vary nearly as dramatically in college. It's like Paul Johnson and other college coaches don't differentiate, no doubt because football commentators have spent decades pushing flawed conventional wisdom thinking.
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Great point and analysis. It reminds of the Monday Morning QB column on CFN where Matt Zemek analyzes situations just like this one. Here's last week's where he talks about when to go for 2 (and even mentions punting vs going for it): http://cfn.scout.com/2/557921.html

Unfortunately I repped you too recently or I would give you more, but keep up the good posts,
 
Awsi Dooger said:
My thought from the game is I can't believe Paul Johnson punted on 4th and a foot with 2 minutes remaining, and it's even more bizarre that there's been so little discussion of it.

Football fans have really been brainwashed into inept evaluation of variables and applied probability if they think a punt even threatened to be the correct decision. For an aggressive coach like Johnson who goes for it on 4th down all the time not to recognize the immense value of making the first down to all but end the game was one of the most idiotic decisions I've ever seen during a Canes game. He bought (the likelihood of) 30 or 40 yards with a punt. That doesn't begin to make up for what he forfeited, and he properly paid for it. In college games the clock finds every excuse to stop down the stretch. Two minutes and one time out was an eternity, particularly when Georgia Tech hadn't demonstrated any ability to slow the Canes. Also, in the NFL there's a massive difference between touchdown likelihood if you take over at the 10 or 20 as opposed to significantly further upfield. But the percentage doesn't vary nearly as dramatically in college. It's like Paul Johnson and other college coaches don't differentiate, no doubt because football commentators have spent decades pushing flawed conventional wisdom thinking.
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I was also shocked about it. I understand the perspective, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter.

They did end up going for it later on, in OT. The statistics favored them there - in terms of their 4th down conversion rate.

I wasn't expecting a stop there.
 
canecountry3 said:
Awsi Dooger said:
My thought from the game is I can't believe Paul Johnson punted on 4th and a foot with 2 minutes remaining, and it's even more bizarre that there's been so little discussion of it.

Football fans have really been brainwashed into inept evaluation of variables and applied probability if they think a punt even threatened to be the correct decision. For an aggressive coach like Johnson who goes for it on 4th down all the time not to recognize the immense value of making the first down to all but end the game was one of the most idiotic decisions I've ever seen during a Canes game. He bought (the likelihood of) 30 or 40 yards with a punt. That doesn't begin to make up for what he forfeited, and he properly paid for it. In college games the clock finds every excuse to stop down the stretch. Two minutes and one time out was an eternity, particularly when Georgia Tech hadn't demonstrated any ability to slow the Canes. Also, in the NFL there's a massive difference between touchdown likelihood if you take over at the 10 or 20 as opposed to significantly further upfield. But the percentage doesn't vary nearly as dramatically in college. It's like Paul Johnson and other college coaches don't differentiate, no doubt because football commentators have spent decades pushing flawed conventional wisdom thinking.
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I was also shocked about it. I understand the perspective, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter.

They did end up going for it later on, in OT. The statistics favored them there - in terms of their 4th down conversion rate.

I wasn't expecting a stop there.
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Luckily for us, he didn't think of probability or logic, but rather what he would have had to say to the media and the boosters if he had gone for it from his own 40 yard line.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
It is really nice to see davon johnson get his chance and step up.

Golden is all in on this team, the program, and the kids. That commands respect. It's easy to say that's always the case, but it's just not true.

Whether this win is a program changer depends on what you think that means. This team has a ways to go to become a top ten team again. And the decline has been longer than when butch came in. But for these kids and this staff, it's a program changer because it validates their work and belief in themselves, each other and their plan. Thats true whether they win next week or not. Fans may look to nc stte to validate what we want to see (i will, i admit), but for the payers and staff that buys into the brick by brick mentality, this game was a big brick, full stop.
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Excellent post.
 
JHallCanes said:
Ethnicsands said:
It is really nice to see davon johnson get his chance and step up.

Golden is all in on this team, the program, and the kids. That commands respect. It's easy to say that's always the case, but it's just not true.

Whether this win is a program changer depends on what you think that means. This team has a ways to go to become a top ten team again. And the decline has been longer than when butch came in. But for these kids and this staff, it's a program changer because it validates their work and belief in themselves, each other and their plan. Thats true whether they win next week or not. Fans may look to nc stte to validate what we want to see (i will, i admit), but for the payers and staff that buys into the brick by brick mentality, this game was a big brick, full stop.
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The problem I see with so many of our fans is that they judge this team from week to week almost from a play to play perspective.

This is NOT the way this group needs to be evaluated. From where we are/were, there is a much bigger picture that needs to be the focus. I'm in no way saying you shouldn't comment on plays or criticisms are unwelcome, but there are bigger things to look at than errant throws by Morris, or lack of penetration on a certain run play.
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And so is this. Well said.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
My thought from the game is I can't believe Paul Johnson punted on 4th and a foot with 2 minutes remaining, and it's even more bizarre that there's been so little discussion of it.

Football fans have really been brainwashed into inept evaluation of variables and applied probability if they think a punt even threatened to be the correct decision. For an aggressive coach like Johnson who goes for it on 4th down all the time not to recognize the immense value of making the first down to all but end the game was one of the most idiotic decisions I've ever seen during a Canes game. He bought (the likelihood of) 30 or 40 yards with a punt. That doesn't begin to make up for what he forfeited, and he properly paid for it. In college games the clock finds every excuse to stop down the stretch. Two minutes and one time out was an eternity, particularly when Georgia Tech hadn't demonstrated any ability to slow the Canes. Also, in the NFL there's a massive difference between touchdown likelihood if you take over at the 10 or 20 as opposed to significantly further upfield. But the percentage doesn't vary nearly as dramatically in college. It's like Paul Johnson and other college coaches don't differentiate, no doubt because football commentators have spent decades pushing flawed conventional wisdom thinking.
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http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-tech-s...oteboard-8/?cxntfid=blogs_georgia_tech_sports


Georgia Tech
Georgia Tech quoteboard

10:26 pm September 22, 2012, by Ken Sugiura

“We had some kids who really played hard all the way through. There were so many things to think back about. You just wish you had plays back like with the ball at fourth-and-1 at the 50-yard line. I’m disappointed in the outcome. I’m just surprised by the whole game. You look back, and it just seems like it wasn’t meant to be for us.”

Georgia Tech coach Paul Johnson on the game
 
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**** they MAD

Everyone should sell their football tickets and prepare for basketball.
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GT is a division III college football team with no talent! Not one player on either side of the ball would play anywhere in the top 75 teams in college. Paul Johnson is an offensive mind in pee wee football and Al Groh is so old he gets telemarketing calls from cemeteries. What a JOKE!
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Let’s see….All I hear is a bunch of **** excuses and when I hear a HEAD COACH say, “I guess it just wasn’t meant to be”, that infuriates me to no end!!! He sounds like Choke Gailey used to after a game he should have won.
I have no issue with the offense b/c I know it can score points; however, my problem has been with this completely INEPT “defense”!!! Need a new scheme AND DC and NOW!!!!!!
Also, if you are a good team, a good team is supposed to win and win CONVINCINGLY!!!!! Tech wants national recognition and bug name bowl games but they aren’t willing to finish big games and win decisively to get there. There has been a serious LACK of leadership for the past three years on this team and die hard Tech fans like myself are just SICK OF F’n EXCUSES!!! Good teams don’t make excuses they make STATEMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I watched the first quarter, saw no sign Tech putting pressure on Miami’s QB, hit the record button and went to a car show. I wasn’t going to waste my time watching that game.
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TheUnuffSAID said:
**** they MAD



I watched the first quarter, saw no sign Tech putting pressure on Miami’s QB, hit the record button and went to a car show. I wasn’t going to waste my time watching that game.
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September 22nd, 2012
10:56 pm


I may have to rethink my position on CAG. No pass rush to speak of. Looked like #1 was always lined up at least 10 yards from his man on pass coverage….436 yards of pass offense for Miami….over 500 yards total offense….defense we saw the 1st 3 games was not on the field today
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I'm warning you all. Pay close attention.

Al Groh's defense sucks. Golden and No D'Ofrio are from the Al Groh school of defense.
 
Great post D$.

Golden is the man and there is no one I would want to run this program more than him. If Nick Saban knocked on Miami's door tomorrow and said he wanted to coach Miami I'd still take Golden everyday of the week and twice on sunday.
 
NVA CANE said:
Great post D$.

Golden is the man and there is no one I would want to run this program more than him. If Nick Saban knocked on Miami's door tomorrow and said he wanted to coach Miami I'd still take Golden everyday of the week and twice on sunday.
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Wow. LMAO.
 
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