Some post-game thoughts

[mydas77]

Haven't sat down and watched the replay yet, but here are some general thoughts after watching the game in-person:

- As a Miami fan, you hope this loss is like Alabama's loss in the 2009 Sugar Bowl. In Saban's second year, Bama became relevant for the first time in forever but finished the season on a two-game losing streak. They got outclassed by Florida in the SEC championship and got beat by a non-Power 5 team (Utah) in the Sugar Bowl by two touchdowns. They signed a monster recruiting class with 5 first round picks, plus Eddie Lacy and AJ McCarron, and the rest is history.

- Wisconsin is the type of team that exposes where you are weak. If Miami is at its best, Wisconsin can't play with them. But Miami isn't ready for primetime in a few areas, and they were all on display last night.

- The first is obvious. Rosier completed 45% of his passes over the last three games. You can't win like that in 21st century college football. The first two INTs were demoralizing momentum killers. There are many reasons for the losing streak, but the simplest explanation is the best one.

- The second issue is third-down defense. Miami was 65th this year. That's unacceptable for a team with an elite pass rush that finished second nationally in sacks per game. Wisconsin went 7-15 last night with several backbreakers. They just out-executed Miami. Chryst moved Hornibrook around and schemed to neutralize the rush, Hornibrook was accurate and the receivers made contested catches.

- It was easy to notice the true freshmen on the field. Deejay Dallas, Jeff Thomas and Mike Harley are truly dynamic and should affect defensive gameplans going forward. Trajan Bandy and Navaughn Donaldson did what they do. Derrick Smith played a ton and stands out physically. Corey Gaynor needs to tighten up his pass blocking but also played. Jeff Feagles had his best game. Bradley Jennings got his most meaningful action, presumably because of his stoutness in the running game. Amari Carter and DeAndre Wilder made tackles on special teams. This is a young team.

- The talk about Miami being physically overmatched is flat wrong, in my opinion. Miami actually outrushed Wisconsin (174 to 142) and almost doubled their yards per attempt (6.0 to 3.2). They just got out-executed by a well-coached team, particularly in the passing game.

- This is a much different feeling than 2009 or 2013. The spirit was there. If there were any stretches of flat play, I chalk it up to deflating turnovers. That can turn around pretty quickly once the passing game inspires confidence again.

- There will be time to break down the roster going forward, but I think some of our major issues during the streak (DB depth, a playmaking void after the three big offensive injuries, QB competition) will be addressed by this class. I'll miss watching the seniors, especially Braxton Berrios and Chad Thomas. They left the program much better than they found it.

The bolded is on Richt and Diaz. Not youth, not injuries, not depth, not the IPF, not the endzones.

Coaching can only cover up so much. We couldn't hide Delaney or Redwine last night. We went zone and they found creases. Went man and Delaney and redwine got beat. What Can you do about that?

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[Fawk_U Haters]

Haven't sat down and watched the replay yet, but here are some general thoughts after watching the game in-person:

- As a Miami fan, you hope this loss is like Alabama's loss in the 2009 Sugar Bowl. In Saban's second year, Bama became relevant for the first time in forever but finished the season on a two-game losing streak. They got outclassed by Florida in the SEC championship and got beat by a non-Power 5 team (Utah) in the Sugar Bowl by two touchdowns. They signed a monster recruiting class with 5 first round picks, plus Eddie Lacy and AJ McCarron, and the rest is history.

- Wisconsin is the type of team that exposes where you are weak. If Miami is at its best, Wisconsin can't play with them. But Miami isn't ready for primetime in a few areas, and they were all on display last night.

- The first is obvious. Rosier completed 45% of his passes over the last three games. You can't win like that in 21st century college football. The first two INTs were demoralizing momentum killers. There are many reasons for the losing streak, but the simplest explanation is the best one.

- The second issue is third-down defense. Miami was 65th this year. That's unacceptable for a team with an elite pass rush that finished second nationally in sacks per game. Wisconsin went 7-15 last night with several backbreakers. They just out-executed Miami. Chryst moved Hornibrook around and schemed to neutralize the rush, Hornibrook was accurate and the receivers made contested catches.

- It was easy to notice the true freshmen on the field. Deejay Dallas, Jeff Thomas and Mike Harley are truly dynamic and should affect defensive gameplans going forward. Trajan Bandy and Navaughn Donaldson did what they do. Derrick Smith played a ton and stands out physically. Corey Gaynor needs to tighten up his pass blocking but also played. Jeff Feagles had his best game. Bradley Jennings got his most meaningful action, presumably because of his stoutness in the running game. Amari Carter and DeAndre Wilder made tackles on special teams. This is a young team.

- The talk about Miami being physically overmatched is flat wrong, in my opinion. Miami actually outrushed Wisconsin (174 to 142) and almost doubled their yards per attempt (6.0 to 3.2). They just got out-executed by a well-coached team, particularly in the passing game.

- This is a much different feeling than 2009 or 2013. The spirit was there. If there were any stretches of flat play, I chalk it up to deflating turnovers. That can turn around pretty quickly once the passing game inspires confidence again.

- There will be time to break down the roster going forward, but I think some of our major issues during the streak (DB depth, a playmaking void after the three big offensive injuries, QB competition) will be addressed by this class. I'll miss watching the seniors, especially Braxton Berrios and Chad Thomas. They left the program much better than they found it.

The bolded is on Richt and Diaz. Not youth, not injuries, not depth, not the IPF, not the endzones.

Their scheme to neutralize our rush didn't work. That's not out coaching us. Our guys getting absolutely washed out of the middle of the field allowing their QB to step up uncontested in the pocket had a lot to do with it, but then again that's not coaching either. They didn't do anything special or come up with creative ways to beat us. No their kids made the plays and we didn't. They beat us cause their guys made plays and our didn't. Nothing more. They didn't have guys free running wild through our secondary, they made contested catches with our guys very close to them. They didn't run the ball down our throat at will. their lower rated recruits made the plays when the play was their to be made. Our guys were in position, but we didn't close. coaches are not without fault, but this game comes down to players making plays. We didn't and they did, final result is 34-24

 

[mydas77]

The comparison to Bama in the 2009 Sugar Bowl is damned insightful.

Have to disagree. I remember that game and seeing Alabama before the game. They didn't want to be there. That was not the case for us last night. Alabama mailed it in; we got beat.

The most painful line was when the announcer said something like, "Miami can't cover the Wisconsin receivers man to man. I never thought I'd say that."

we couldn't cover the toledo receivers man to man and same with the UVA receivers. we havent been good in the secondary all year and we weren't good this game. we knew that it was a weakness coming in and it was exposed esp after losing young. the first pick was turning point bc Wisky couldn't move the ball and we gave them a short field to get them going. the D was left out on the field for too long and apart of that is what has been an issue ALL year -- third down defense. our weaknesses were on display last night and it wasn't anything new. offensively, we weren't great all year w rosier and when you lose the threat of richards (having him out there forces defenses to shift towards him and allows others to be more open) and herndon, you gotta hope your ****ty qb has an elite game. he didnt and hes been pretty horrific the second half of the year as defenses got more tape on him and schemed for him.

You need to go back and watch those games. Go look at how many passes were completed to a receiver that McCloud was covering in the UVA game.
Our secondary had a ton of issues, but there is a scheme issue as well.

If i remember correctly, i saw Owens play the boundary yesterday twice against a FB or HB - both times i said "oh ****" but Wisconsin didn't make us pay for it. Diaz cannot allow to be schemed like that. An OLB should never be playing man on the boundary.

This is stupid. If they come out in 21 personnel and flex the RB to the boundary, who the fvck do you think is going to cover him? A corner? Please explain how that would work?

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[Fawk_U Haters]

The comparison to Bama in the 2009 Sugar Bowl is damned insightful.

Have to disagree. I remember that game and seeing Alabama before the game. They didn't want to be there. That was not the case for us last night. Alabama mailed it in; we got beat.

The most painful line was when the announcer said something like, "Miami can't cover the Wisconsin receivers man to man. I never thought I'd say that."

we couldn't cover the toledo receivers man to man and same with the UVA receivers. we havent been good in the secondary all year and we weren't good this game. we knew that it was a weakness coming in and it was exposed esp after losing young. the first pick was turning point bc Wisky couldn't move the ball and we gave them a short field to get them going. the D was left out on the field for too long and apart of that is what has been an issue ALL year -- third down defense. our weaknesses were on display last night and it wasn't anything new. offensively, we weren't great all year w rosier and when you lose the threat of richards (having him out there forces defenses to shift towards him and allows others to be more open) and herndon, you gotta hope your ****ty qb has an elite game. he didnt and hes been pretty horrific the second half of the year as defenses got more tape on him and schemed for him.

You need to go back and watch those games. Go look at how many passes were completed to a receiver that McCloud was covering in the UVA game.
Our secondary had a ton of issues, but there is a scheme issue as well.

If i remember correctly, i saw Owens play the boundary yesterday twice against a FB or HB - both times i said "oh ****" but Wisconsin didn't make us pay for it. Diaz cannot allow to be schemed like that. An OLB should never be playing man on the boundary.

In just about any defense, unless you're playing against reggie bush, your LBs will always be man on a FB or HB if you're in man coverage. You should learn a little about the game before making a post such as this. If you don't ever want an OLB playing man then you shouldn't play man at all or just go with a 6 DB look at all time

 

[OldhamA]

Our weakness on defense was exposed by whisky. Delaney is not a lock down d1 corner, hence his exile to the Citadel the last four years. Redwine is a decent ball player, but can't be our starting safety if we want to be a championship contender. We thought the back end would be bad when we originally thought about how the defense would be. They weren't bad, but they **** sure weren't championship quality.

Offensive coordinators figured that out. Go 4 and 5 wide to force redwine into man coverage and attack him. Throw quick at Delaney. Get the ball out to neutralize our D-line. That was the game plan and it worked. Good news is that those days are over. Good luck trying that **** next year against bandy and the freshmen.

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This seems to have been forgotten in the midst of our 10 win season.

That secondary, talent wise, is really poor by Miami standards. Once we played two teams who had the talent and the time to scheme against them (Clemson and Wisconsin), they were exposed.

I think Rumph has done a sterling job to turn those guys into a serviceable group. Bandy is the only Miami calibre DB back there. Johnson is just too slow, although he's a good football player and I'm glad he's here. Jackson, Dean, Delaney, Young - they're all going to be passed over by the incoming class.

 

[OldhamA]

Have to disagree. I remember that game and seeing Alabama before the game. They didn't want to be there. That was not the case for us last night. Alabama mailed it in; we got beat.

The most painful line was when the announcer said something like, "Miami can't cover the Wisconsin receivers man to man. I never thought I'd say that."

we couldn't cover the toledo receivers man to man and same with the UVA receivers. we havent been good in the secondary all year and we weren't good this game. we knew that it was a weakness coming in and it was exposed esp after losing young. the first pick was turning point bc Wisky couldn't move the ball and we gave them a short field to get them going. the D was left out on the field for too long and apart of that is what has been an issue ALL year -- third down defense. our weaknesses were on display last night and it wasn't anything new. offensively, we weren't great all year w rosier and when you lose the threat of richards (having him out there forces defenses to shift towards him and allows others to be more open) and herndon, you gotta hope your ****ty qb has an elite game. he didnt and hes been pretty horrific the second half of the year as defenses got more tape on him and schemed for him.

You need to go back and watch those games. Go look at how many passes were completed to a receiver that McCloud was covering in the UVA game.
Our secondary had a ton of issues, but there is a scheme issue as well.

If i remember correctly, i saw Owens play the boundary yesterday twice against a FB or HB - both times i said "oh ****" but Wisconsin didn't make us pay for it. Diaz cannot allow to be schemed like that. An OLB should never be playing man on the boundary.

In just about any defense, unless you're playing against reggie bush, your LBs will always be man on a FB or HB if you're in man coverage. You should learn a little about the game before making a post such as this. If you don't ever want an OLB playing man then you shouldn't play man at all or just go with a 6 DB look at all time

How much of that is Diaz looking at the LBs and the DBs and thinking "****, my LBs are just much better players"?

 

[Scorpion]

Haven't sat down and watched the replay yet, but here are some general thoughts after watching the game in-person:

- As a Miami fan, you hope this loss is like Alabama's loss in the 2009 Sugar Bowl. In Saban's second year, Bama became relevant for the first time in forever but finished the season on a two-game losing streak. They got outclassed by Florida in the SEC championship and got beat by a non-Power 5 team (Utah) in the Sugar Bowl by two touchdowns. They signed a monster recruiting class with 5 first round picks, plus Eddie Lacy and AJ McCarron, and the rest is history.

- Wisconsin is the type of team that exposes where you are weak. If Miami is at its best, Wisconsin can't play with them. But Miami isn't ready for primetime in a few areas, and they were all on display last night.

- The first is obvious. Rosier completed 45% of his passes over the last three games. You can't win like that in 21st century college football. The first two INTs were demoralizing momentum killers. There are many reasons for the losing streak, but the simplest explanation is the best one.

- The second issue is third-down defense. Miami was 65th this year. That's unacceptable for a team with an elite pass rush that finished second nationally in sacks per game. Wisconsin went 7-15 last night with several backbreakers. They just out-executed Miami. Chryst moved Hornibrook around and schemed to neutralize the rush, Hornibrook was accurate and the receivers made contested catches.

- It was easy to notice the true freshmen on the field. Deejay Dallas, Jeff Thomas and Mike Harley are truly dynamic and should affect defensive gameplans going forward. Trajan Bandy and Navaughn Donaldson did what they do. Derrick Smith played a ton and stands out physically. Corey Gaynor needs to tighten up his pass blocking but also played. Jeff Feagles had his best game. Bradley Jennings got his most meaningful action, presumably because of his stoutness in the running game. Amari Carter and DeAndre Wilder made tackles on special teams. This is a young team.

- The talk about Miami being physically overmatched is flat wrong, in my opinion. Miami actually outrushed Wisconsin (174 to 142) and almost doubled their yards per attempt (6.0 to 3.2). They just got out-executed by a well-coached team, particularly in the passing game.

- This is a much different feeling than 2009 or 2013. The spirit was there. If there were any stretches of flat play, I chalk it up to deflating turnovers. That can turn around pretty quickly once the passing game inspires confidence again.

- There will be time to break down the roster going forward, but I think some of our major issues during the streak (DB depth, a playmaking void after the three big offensive injuries, QB competition) will be addressed by this class. I'll miss watching the seniors, especially Braxton Berrios and Chad Thomas. They left the program much better than they found it.

The bolded is on Richt and Diaz. Not youth, not injuries, not depth, not the IPF, not the endzones.

Their scheme to neutralize our rush didn't work. That's not out coaching us. Our guys getting absolutely washed out of the middle of the field allowing their QB to step up uncontested in the pocket had a lot to do with it, but then again that's not coaching either. They didn't do anything special or come up with creative ways to beat us. No their kids made the plays and we didn't. They beat us cause their guys made plays and our didn't. Nothing more. They didn't have guys free running wild through our secondary, they made contested catches with our guys very close to them. They didn't run the ball down our throat at will. their lower rated recruits made the plays when the play was their to be made. Our guys were in position, but we didn't close. coaches are not without fault, but this game comes down to players making plays. We didn't and they did, final result is 34-24

What the f*ck are you talking about? Wisconsin has guys running free through the middle of the field all game long. Diaz made it way too easy for Wisconsin's average Quarterback to complete passes over the middle of the field because of his soft zone bullsh*t. Coaching was absolutely an issue last night.

 

[ddann]

Qb play and missed field goals. Qb completion % and the 2 ints. With one setting Wisconsin up at the 20, and the other a pick in the end zone. That’s points off the board. Can’t beat a top ten team like that.

This.

And throw in constant blatant holding by the Wisconsin O-Line that was never called. The refs never made them stop, so they just kept at it. That extended drives and led to points.

 

[ddann]

Last night was missed opportunity, not a crushing defeat. Still a loss but one we could have and should have won.

After further review, this is the truth.

 

[Fawk_U Haters]

we couldn't cover the toledo receivers man to man and same with the UVA receivers. we havent been good in the secondary all year and we weren't good this game. we knew that it was a weakness coming in and it was exposed esp after losing young. the first pick was turning point bc Wisky couldn't move the ball and we gave them a short field to get them going. the D was left out on the field for too long and apart of that is what has been an issue ALL year -- third down defense. our weaknesses were on display last night and it wasn't anything new. offensively, we weren't great all year w rosier and when you lose the threat of richards (having him out there forces defenses to shift towards him and allows others to be more open) and herndon, you gotta hope your ****ty qb has an elite game. he didnt and hes been pretty horrific the second half of the year as defenses got more tape on him and schemed for him.

You need to go back and watch those games. Go look at how many passes were completed to a receiver that McCloud was covering in the UVA game.
Our secondary had a ton of issues, but there is a scheme issue as well.

If i remember correctly, i saw Owens play the boundary yesterday twice against a FB or HB - both times i said "oh ****" but Wisconsin didn't make us pay for it. Diaz cannot allow to be schemed like that. An OLB should never be playing man on the boundary.

In just about any defense, unless you're playing against reggie bush, your LBs will always be man on a FB or HB if you're in man coverage. You should learn a little about the game before making a post such as this. If you don't ever want an OLB playing man then you shouldn't play man at all or just go with a 6 DB look at all time

How much of that is Diaz looking at the LBs and the DBs and thinking "****, my LBs are just much better players"?

I was being sarcastic with the 6DB look

 

[Tony Perps]

Last night was missed opportunity, not a crushing defeat. Still a loss but one we could have and should have won.

After further review, this is the truth.

Succintly stated.

 

[Fawk_U Haters]

Haven't sat down and watched the replay yet, but here are some general thoughts after watching the game in-person:

- As a Miami fan, you hope this loss is like Alabama's loss in the 2009 Sugar Bowl. In Saban's second year, Bama became relevant for the first time in forever but finished the season on a two-game losing streak. They got outclassed by Florida in the SEC championship and got beat by a non-Power 5 team (Utah) in the Sugar Bowl by two touchdowns. They signed a monster recruiting class with 5 first round picks, plus Eddie Lacy and AJ McCarron, and the rest is history.

- Wisconsin is the type of team that exposes where you are weak. If Miami is at its best, Wisconsin can't play with them. But Miami isn't ready for primetime in a few areas, and they were all on display last night.

- The first is obvious. Rosier completed 45% of his passes over the last three games. You can't win like that in 21st century college football. The first two INTs were demoralizing momentum killers. There are many reasons for the losing streak, but the simplest explanation is the best one.

- The second issue is third-down defense. Miami was 65th this year. That's unacceptable for a team with an elite pass rush that finished second nationally in sacks per game. Wisconsin went 7-15 last night with several backbreakers. They just out-executed Miami. Chryst moved Hornibrook around and schemed to neutralize the rush, Hornibrook was accurate and the receivers made contested catches.

- It was easy to notice the true freshmen on the field. Deejay Dallas, Jeff Thomas and Mike Harley are truly dynamic and should affect defensive gameplans going forward. Trajan Bandy and Navaughn Donaldson did what they do. Derrick Smith played a ton and stands out physically. Corey Gaynor needs to tighten up his pass blocking but also played. Jeff Feagles had his best game. Bradley Jennings got his most meaningful action, presumably because of his stoutness in the running game. Amari Carter and DeAndre Wilder made tackles on special teams. This is a young team.

- The talk about Miami being physically overmatched is flat wrong, in my opinion. Miami actually outrushed Wisconsin (174 to 142) and almost doubled their yards per attempt (6.0 to 3.2). They just got out-executed by a well-coached team, particularly in the passing game.

- This is a much different feeling than 2009 or 2013. The spirit was there. If there were any stretches of flat play, I chalk it up to deflating turnovers. That can turn around pretty quickly once the passing game inspires confidence again.

- There will be time to break down the roster going forward, but I think some of our major issues during the streak (DB depth, a playmaking void after the three big offensive injuries, QB competition) will be addressed by this class. I'll miss watching the seniors, especially Braxton Berrios and Chad Thomas. They left the program much better than they found it.

The bolded is on Richt and Diaz. Not youth, not injuries, not depth, not the IPF, not the endzones.

Their scheme to neutralize our rush didn't work. That's not out coaching us. Our guys getting absolutely washed out of the middle of the field allowing their QB to step up uncontested in the pocket had a lot to do with it, but then again that's not coaching either. They didn't do anything special or come up with creative ways to beat us. No their kids made the plays and we didn't. They beat us cause their guys made plays and our didn't. Nothing more. They didn't have guys free running wild through our secondary, they made contested catches with our guys very close to them. They didn't run the ball down our throat at will. their lower rated recruits made the plays when the play was their to be made. Our guys were in position, but we didn't close. coaches are not without fault, but this game comes down to players making plays. We didn't and they did, final result is 34-24

What the f*ck are you talking about? Wisconsin has guys running free through the middle of the field all game long. Diaz made it way too easy for Wisconsin's average Quarterback to complete passes over the middle of the field because of his soft zone bullsh*t. Coaching was absolutely an issue last night.

A couple of times yes the middle trip was open in the zone coverage, but to say people were running free all night is not correct. The majority of the night our guys were in position to make plays and they didn't. That is not coaching, that is players making plays. The majority of their plays came in man coverage. They made plays, we didn't.

 

[NJshoreCane]

Agree D.

Is this where i can comment that their nasty "W" thing they do with their hands is a girly, amateur version of the []_[]?

 

[PSU Cane]

Have to disagree. I remember that game and seeing Alabama before the game. They didn't want to be there. That was not the case for us last night. Alabama mailed it in; we got beat.

The most painful line was when the announcer said something like, "Miami can't cover the Wisconsin receivers man to man. I never thought I'd say that."

we couldn't cover the toledo receivers man to man and same with the UVA receivers. we havent been good in the secondary all year and we weren't good this game. we knew that it was a weakness coming in and it was exposed esp after losing young. the first pick was turning point bc Wisky couldn't move the ball and we gave them a short field to get them going. the D was left out on the field for too long and apart of that is what has been an issue ALL year -- third down defense. our weaknesses were on display last night and it wasn't anything new. offensively, we weren't great all year w rosier and when you lose the threat of richards (having him out there forces defenses to shift towards him and allows others to be more open) and herndon, you gotta hope your ****ty qb has an elite game. he didnt and hes been pretty horrific the second half of the year as defenses got more tape on him and schemed for him.

You need to go back and watch those games. Go look at how many passes were completed to a receiver that McCloud was covering in the UVA game.
Our secondary had a ton of issues, but there is a scheme issue as well.

If i remember correctly, i saw Owens play the boundary yesterday twice against a FB or HB - both times i said "oh ****" but Wisconsin didn't make us pay for it. Diaz cannot allow to be schemed like that. An OLB should never be playing man on the boundary.

In just about any defense, unless you're playing against reggie bush, your LBs will always be man on a FB or HB if you're in man coverage. You should learn a little about the game before making a post such as this. If you don't ever want an OLB playing man then you shouldn't play man at all or just go with a 6 DB look at all time

I know plenty about that game - i'm not saying an OLB shouldn't never be in man, i'm saying we shouldn't allow Darrion Owens to play man that far out in space. The moment i see that happening as a Wisconsin coach, i put a mismatch out there against Owens who had nobody within 15 yards of him for help. You scheme within the limits of your players/talents. We had Herndon play HB a bit last year. Would you want Owens manned up out wide against him?

I know what you are saying when you are in man, LBs, usually have a TE or RB. But then check out. There's plenty of checks you can run where you flank a safety out wide and jump into a single high look with zone underneath. The last thing i want is one of our weakest cover LBs in space with anyone. Owens is a run thumper.

 

[hoover437]

Haven't sat down and watched the replay yet, but here are some general thoughts after watching the game in-person:

- As a Miami fan, you hope this loss is like Alabama's loss in the 2009 Sugar Bowl. In Saban's second year, Bama became relevant for the first time in forever but finished the season on a two-game losing streak. They got outclassed by Florida in the SEC championship and got beat by a non-Power 5 team (Utah) in the Sugar Bowl by two touchdowns. They signed a monster recruiting class with 5 first round picks, plus Eddie Lacy and AJ McCarron, and the rest is history.

- Wisconsin is the type of team that exposes where you are weak. If Miami is at its best, Wisconsin can't play with them. But Miami isn't ready for primetime in a few areas, and they were all on display last night.

- The first is obvious. Rosier completed 45% of his passes over the last three games. You can't win like that in 21st century college football. The first two INTs were demoralizing momentum killers. There are many reasons for the losing streak, but the simplest explanation is the best one.

- The second issue is third-down defense. Miami was 65th this year. That's unacceptable for a team with an elite pass rush that finished second nationally in sacks per game. Wisconsin went 7-15 last night with several backbreakers. They just out-executed Miami. Chryst moved Hornibrook around and schemed to neutralize the rush, Hornibrook was accurate and the receivers made contested catches.

- It was easy to notice the true freshmen on the field. Deejay Dallas, Jeff Thomas and Mike Harley are truly dynamic and should affect defensive gameplans going forward. Trajan Bandy and Navaughn Donaldson did what they do. Derrick Smith played a ton and stands out physically. Corey Gaynor needs to tighten up his pass blocking but also played. Jeff Feagles had his best game. Bradley Jennings got his most meaningful action, presumably because of his stoutness in the running game. Amari Carter and DeAndre Wilder made tackles on special teams. This is a young team.

- The talk about Miami being physically overmatched is flat wrong, in my opinion. Miami actually outrushed Wisconsin (174 to 142) and almost doubled their yards per attempt (6.0 to 3.2). They just got out-executed by a well-coached team, particularly in the passing game.

- This is a much different feeling than 2009 or 2013. The spirit was there. If there were any stretches of flat play, I chalk it up to deflating turnovers. That can turn around pretty quickly once the passing game inspires confidence again.

- There will be time to break down the roster going forward, but I think some of our major issues during the streak (DB depth, a playmaking void after the three big offensive injuries, QB competition) will be addressed by this class. I'll miss watching the seniors, especially Braxton Berrios and Chad Thomas. They left the program much better than they found it.

great post. did Wisconsin have like 10 seniors on the defense? With our qb and lack of experience playmakers we still was in the game. 18 is going to be even more fun to watch. We will have studs all over the place.

 

[hoover437]

Haven't sat down and watched the replay yet, but here are some general thoughts after watching the game in-person:

- As a Miami fan, you hope this loss is like Alabama's loss in the 2009 Sugar Bowl. In Saban's second year, Bama became relevant for the first time in forever but finished the season on a two-game losing streak. They got outclassed by Florida in the SEC championship and got beat by a non-Power 5 team (Utah) in the Sugar Bowl by two touchdowns. They signed a monster recruiting class with 5 first round picks, plus Eddie Lacy and AJ McCarron, and the rest is history.

- Wisconsin is the type of team that exposes where you are weak. If Miami is at its best, Wisconsin can't play with them. But Miami isn't ready for primetime in a few areas, and they were all on display last night.

- The first is obvious. Rosier completed 45% of his passes over the last three games. You can't win like that in 21st century college football. The first two INTs were demoralizing momentum killers. There are many reasons for the losing streak, but the simplest explanation is the best one.

- The second issue is third-down defense. Miami was 65th this year. That's unacceptable for a team with an elite pass rush that finished second nationally in sacks per game. Wisconsin went 7-15 last night with several backbreakers. They just out-executed Miami. Chryst moved Hornibrook around and schemed to neutralize the rush, Hornibrook was accurate and the receivers made contested catches.

- It was easy to notice the true freshmen on the field. Deejay Dallas, Jeff Thomas and Mike Harley are truly dynamic and should affect defensive gameplans going forward. Trajan Bandy and Navaughn Donaldson did what they do. Derrick Smith played a ton and stands out physically. Corey Gaynor needs to tighten up his pass blocking but also played. Jeff Feagles had his best game. Bradley Jennings got his most meaningful action, presumably because of his stoutness in the running game. Amari Carter and DeAndre Wilder made tackles on special teams. This is a young team.

- The talk about Miami being physically overmatched is flat wrong, in my opinion. Miami actually outrushed Wisconsin (174 to 142) and almost doubled their yards per attempt (6.0 to 3.2). They just got out-executed by a well-coached team, particularly in the passing game.

- This is a much different feeling than 2009 or 2013. The spirit was there. If there were any stretches of flat play, I chalk it up to deflating turnovers. That can turn around pretty quickly once the passing game inspires confidence again.

- There will be time to break down the roster going forward, but I think some of our major issues during the streak (DB depth, a playmaking void after the three big offensive injuries, QB competition) will be addressed by this class. I'll miss watching the seniors, especially Braxton Berrios and Chad Thomas. They left the program much better than they found it.

I agree with your analysis. The few porsters claiming that Miami was “physically outmatched” are just spouting off lazy cliches, in my opinion. Wisconsin won that game because they took advantage of our weak passing defense and turnovers. Their alleged physically imposing running game never really threatened us, and our OL got some decent push.

I will say that from a structural standpoint, I am a lot more concerned about the defense going forward than the offense. Diaz is a smart guy though I think he will make adjustments. My hope is that the 10th coach is on the defensive side of the ball.

tony I hear ya, but they won because our #12 could not complete a forward pass!!!

 

[Awsi Dooger]

Sorry, 44 rushing attempts to 29 is indeed being pushed around. As long as Richt continues to run the ball so seldom it won't particularly matter about the personnel. We won't win anything of consequence while running 30 or 32 times per game on average. I'll continue to push that theme, same as the necessity of premier defensive tackles and premier pass defense, which is largely enabled by premier defensive tackles. I don't rely on overreaction or short term. I have NCAA and NFL stats dating to Excel spreadsheets dating to 1978. The online sources generally retreat only to 1983. I grabbed record books from Gamblers Book Club as soon as I arrived in Las Vegas in 1984.

That pass rush won't get there on third down when the opponent has patiently created third and 4 by pounding two consecutive 3 yard runs on first and second down. Those short rushing gains are gorgeous plays, controlling plays. Meanwhile we break off one long wildcat run which inflates the yards per carry but does absolutely nothing to wear down Wisconsin. It annoys them more than anything else.

The game last night was an excellent reference point toward where we truly stand. The Notre Dame game was an inflated version of our worth. That opponent was not rated highly in preseason. Plenty of fraud and upstart qualities. Home in prime time. Clemson was not a great barometer either. As I've posted for years, when a surprise unbeaten team loses for the first time deep in the season, the next game is almost always a severe flop. Nobody wants to believe that, in preference to the bounce back high-energy nonsense. Meanwhile, the team is not that great to begin with, yet has devoted so much physical and mental energy to winning one close and/or unlikely game after another that there's simply nowhere to go but splat, unless that next opponent is simply terrible. Same thing happened several years ago when we were 7-0 before losing at Florida State. Virginia Tech as 7 point underdog kicked our rear the following week.

Let's put it this way...when the Las Vegas sharps push a pointspread from -7.5 to -13.5 among two high profile teams like Miami and Clemson, that is due to situational understanding. That's all it is. They are picking on a team they know is not likely to be anywhere near its best, even if the mainstream sports media is clueless toward the terrain.

We were athletic and eager last night. Athletes all over the field. Roster logically destined to improve. Even the supposed weak link like Feagles dominated his matchup with the opposing punter.

Wisconsin owned the superior offensive design. The Badgers seamlessly shifted between snaps from center and shotgun. Never frantically looking around wondering what to do. Power runs blended with sophisticated route trees. Versatile use of the pro style tight end. They even used sporadic snaps from empty formation, which is not ideal for a quarterback of that caliber but they were doing it in favorable down and distance instead of forcing it on third and long.

As a Canes fan I shouldn't be envious of a Wisconsin offensive approach. But it was impossible not to be there last night. Their offensive style enables the Badgers to play beyond their ability level. Meanwhile Richt obviously became mesmerized by the RPO during his final years at Georgia and was determined to abuse it once he got his hands on the play calling again. I don't like it. Too much pressure on one kid to make perfect split second decisions and execution. It's rare to have fleet feet along with ideal timing and touch.

Oh yeah, the uniforms absolutely sucked. That defeat was deserved by those uniforms. Every time I saw the red-clad celebrating Wisconsin fans in the stands I was thinking how confident they looked in their traditional garb, while the pathetic Canes were scrambling to pretend they needed an artificial boost with some type of gimmick uniforms.

That uniform choice alone showed how far away we are, and how beholden we are to fear.

I am not impressed with a comparison to 2009 Alabama. Anybody can find the most favorable outlier available. That has been a weak tendency on this forum in general. The reason I use stuff like passing defense and rushing attempts is because it holds true much more often than not. Steal a vital few percent in one category after another and we have a chance to find that elite tier again. If we betray the foundational aspects and think we can be our own example then we're destined to remain near the current level.

 

[MedleyCane]

Sorry, 44 rushing attempts to 29 is indeed being pushed around. As long as Richt continues to run the ball so seldom it won't particularly matter about the personnel. We won't win anything of consequence while running 30 or 32 times per game on average. I'll continue to push that theme, same as the necessity of premier defensive tackles and premier pass defense, which is largely enabled by premier defensive tackles. I don't rely on overreaction or short term. I have NCAA and NFL stats dating to Excel spreadsheets dating to 1978. The online sources generally retreat only to 1983. I grabbed record books from Gamblers Book Club as soon as I arrived in Las Vegas in 1984.

That pass rush won't get there on third down when the opponent has patiently created third and 4 by pounding two consecutive 3 yard runs on first and second down. Those short rushing gains are gorgeous plays, controlling plays. Meanwhile we break off one long wildcat run which inflates the yards per carry but does absolutely nothing to wear down Wisconsin. It annoys them more than anything else.

The game last night was an excellent reference point toward where we truly stand. The Notre Dame game was an inflated version of our worth. That opponent was not rated highly in preseason. Plenty of fraud and upstart qualities. Home in prime time. Clemson was not a great barometer either. As I've posted for years, when a surprise unbeaten team loses for the first time deep in the season, the next game is almost always a severe flop. Nobody wants to believe that, in preference to the bounce back high-energy nonsense. Meanwhile, the team is not that great to begin with, yet has devoted so much physical and mental energy to winning one close and/or unlikely game after another that there's simply nowhere to go but splat, unless that next opponent is simply terrible. Same thing happened several years ago when we were 7-0 before losing at Florida State. Virginia Tech as 7 point underdog kicked our rear the following week.

Let's put it this way...when the Las Vegas sharps push a pointspread from -7.5 to -13.5 among two high profile teams like Miami and Clemson, that is due to situational understanding. That's all it is. They are picking on a team they know is not likely to be anywhere near its best, even if the mainstream sports media is clueless toward the terrain.

We were athletic and eager last night. Athletes all over the field. Roster logically destined to improve. Even the supposed weak link like Feagles dominated his matchup with the opposing punter.

Wisconsin owned the superior offensive design. The Badgers seamlessly shifted between snaps from center and shotgun. Never frantically looking around wondering what to do. Power runs blended with sophisticated route trees. Versatile use of the pro style tight end. They even used sporadic snaps from empty formation, which is not ideal for a quarterback of that caliber but they were doing it in favorable down and distance instead of forcing it on third and long.

As a Canes fan I shouldn't be envious of a Wisconsin offensive approach. But it was impossible not to be there last night. Their offensive style enables the Badgers to play beyond their ability level. Meanwhile Richt obviously became mesmerized by the RPO during his final years at Georgia and was determined to abuse it once he got his hands on the play calling again. I don't like it. Too much pressure on one kid to make perfect split second decisions and execution. It's rare to have fleet feet along with ideal timing and touch.

Oh yeah, the uniforms absolutely sucked. That defeat was deserved by those uniforms. Every time I saw the red-clad celebrating Wisconsin fans in the stands I was thinking how confident they looked in their traditional garb, while the pathetic Canes were scrambling to pretend they needed an artificial boost with some type of gimmick uniforms.

That uniform choice alone showed how far away we are, and how beholden we are to fear.

I am not impressed with a comparison to 2009 Alabama. Anybody can find the most favorable outlier available. That has been a weak tendency on this forum in general. The reason I use stuff like passing defense and rushing attempts is because it holds true much more often than not. Steal a vital few percent in one category after another and we have a chance to find that elite tier again. If we betray the foundational aspects and think we can be our own example then we're destined to remain near the current level.

Who da fug is this guy?
And, yes, DNR.

 

[KrazyCane]

Issues in order

1. Starting qb
2. Diaz
3. Offensive rhythm
4. Special teams

 

[JHallCanes]

Feagles was a bright spot yesterday

Sure was.

So was Cager.