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And that was a good Manny defense.He put up 30 points and 429 yards on Manny's defense in 2017
And that was a good Manny defense.He put up 30 points and 429 yards on Manny's defense in 2017
Fair enough. Not arguing nor complaining. Just an observation.Jason Candle’s offense it the literal exact opposite of vanilla.
Dan Enox ran a ton of pre-snap motion too, how did that work out?
Pre-snap motion is just a man or zone check, it’s not some special wrinkle that confuses defenses, it’s just used to check to see if the Defense is in Man or zone, there’s nothing complex or special about it.
Lincoln Riley doesn’t run much if any pre-snap motion, would you consider his offense vanilla?
That’s Good to hear. They don’t mention it on his bio on the Toledo website.He coached QB’s for two years when he was OC at Toledo before the promotion.
I like a little presnap motion, but people overrate it. Against a disciplined, well coached D, it's useless. What matters is execution and the ability to dictate matchups, things Candle's offenses have done well throughout his tenure. I remember watching them against Manny's D and they abused Miami with crossing routes, with mesh concepts, and he didn't get cute. That's the sign of a good OC, they don't overcomplicate something, they keep going with a concept until it's taken away.
Listen I'm not going to die on the Manny hill here.Yeeeeea, **** no. See I watched those games and I’m not about to have revisionist history. You see the kind of teams we played when those stats “popped” mediocre, low level teams outside of ND at the Hardrock. If you’re being truthful, you know those stats were inflated because those teams were garbage. Manny is a shiity DC. How he’s gotten to perpetrate this farce for so many years is the lords word apparently. Juuuust watch PSU D over the next couple years..
Love the consistencyToledo Total Offense Rankings with him at OC :
2012: 32nd
2013: 39th
2014: 15th
2015: 30th
Total Offense Rankings with him as head coach: (apparently he's still the play caller?)
2016: 7th
2017: 14th
2018: 30th
2019: 36th
2020: 13th
2021: 38th
On his philosophy:
You can get a defense to tip their hand through formations as well. Again, Lincoln Riley doesn't rely on a ton of motion, his system works well. People fall in love with certain concepts as if that's the only way to do it. What Candle does has worked for years, despite not having an overwhelming talent advantage. I wouldn't be shocked if it continued to work.You can do all of what you just said and have motion. The entire premise of motion is to make the defense move and if they hesitate, even for a half a second, you've got your window to exploit. It also can show what the defense is going to do as you're making them move their coverage.
I prefer motion for a plethora of reasons.
We hire a G5 HC for OC
And FSU promotes their OL coach (who has never called plays) to OC
Wtf wow manYou should have been sent to Bolivia to rot
Thank you LCE. It’s so funny to see ways people evaluate offense lol.Jason Candle’s offense it the literal exact opposite of vanilla.
Dan Enox ran a ton of pre-snap motion too, how did that work out?
Pre-snap motion is just a man or zone check, it’s not some special wrinkle that confuses defenses, it’s just used to check to see if the Defense is in Man or zone, there’s nothing complex about it.
Lincoln Riley doesn’t run much if any pre-snap motion, would you consider his offense vanilla?
Exactly. Just miserable person. Either he chose not to read other people’s reactions or he believes because he doesn’t know him it’s an inadequate choice.