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Cribby said:
Barry was my favorite player as a child , he was the best player in the game pre steroids and a first ballot HOF’er. That’s when he was a stick. He got on roids when Sosa amd McGuire blew up and took his attention. So he was like “ ok, that’s cute , here’s me on steroids“ lol.

Everyone was using then, especially pitchers. That’s what gets lost with all this , everyone thinks steroids equals home runs / hitters , but steroids don’t make you stronger, they help you recover and bounce back quicker to work out more. Who does that help? Pitchers as much as anyone.

I don’t judge because everyone knew and looked the other way. Viewer ship was up , contracts was up and attendance was up. Win win. So these writers and baseball snobs can get off their high horses. Players , media , owners , managers , upper management all had blood on their hands.

Lastly Bonds was a diva ******* that treated people horrible, teammates included but that should have nothing to do with voting for the HOF. He’s arguably the best player ever and a true five tool player. If he’s not in the HOF it’s a joke. But as we know the media is a joke so I’m not shocked they’re still butthurt.
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Great post Cribs. Only thing I would add is that roids wasnt just about recovery and bounce back. It was in part about increasing speed and twitch. Bat speed rose during that time to unseen levels. Big strong muscle guys could only get so much bat speed. With the roids they could increase power and speed. Guys like McGuire could now turn on anything.

There are some bad human beings in the HoF. It’s now as scientific and fact based as voting for an 8th grade class president.
 
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Cribby said:
All we have is the actual stats and footage. Papi saved our lives to an unreal level. I’ve never seen anything like him in the post season. It got to be like a video game or unrealistic. I’m as big of a Bonds guy as you’ll find but he was no Papi when the chips were on the table. Theres no denying that
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Like I said I’m a huge Yankee fan but every time Big Papi came up in the late innings it just felt like he was gonna do something to win the game…he brought the Red Sox back from that 3 - 0 deficit almost by himself…
 
AK_Cane said:
I understand losing Trob because he wasn't Marios guys but Bmac has been with Mario for a little bit and now chose to follow him here. Let's see what Mario can do to a guy he actually wants to keep
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Yep and from what it sounds like Kirby didn’t retain him the first time. No Co-OC role just don’t see him 100% leaving bc of his relationship with Mario. Knowing his character from the South Carolina days he is also a really good guy. UGA just assumes everyone does what they want remember James Williams is suppose to be a bulldog right now.
 
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Cribby said:
All we have is the actual stats and footage. Papi saved our lives to an unreal level. I’ve never seen anything like him in the post season. It got to be like a video game or unrealistic. I’m as big of a Bonds guy as you’ll find but he was no Papi when the chips were on the table. Theres no denying that
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There’s a fire going on in here and you’re talking about big papi….save us bro
 
WaterburyCane said:
Great post Cribs. Only thing I would add is that roids wasnt just about recovery and bounce back. It was in part about increasing speed and twitch. Bat speed rose during that time to unseen levels. Big strong muscle guys could only get so much bat speed. With the roids they could increase power and speed. Guys like McGuire could now turn on anything.

There are some bad human beings in the HoF. It’s now as scientific and fact based as voting for an 8th grade class president.
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Barry‘s bat speed was nuts and his hand eye was unreal too.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Again, you're making all these points (and they're fine points, and correct) as if I'm saying Spencer Whipple would be a fail, at the surface. It's deeper than that. Why are we hiring Spencer Whipple? Nobody else is. Literally. We have as much money to spend as any other program in the country, why would we hire guys who none of the other top programs are looking at? Because we're smarter than everyone else? This is a budget hire, plain and simple. This isn't who Saban would get. This isn't who Texas or OU or Ohio State is hiring to call their plays. Prior to last month, hiring someone in the same ballpark as those programs was laughable. Because we were broke. We had to hire the Spencer Whipple's of the world. That's no longer the case. We are the richest program in the conference and one of the richest in the country. Act like it and hire an established monster, not a kid who has called plays at UMass and one week in the NFL cause donkey *** Kliff had a cold.
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I never said you said he would be a fail. But what say you? How do you think he would perform? Take a position.

I am addressing what you wrote. That he is some cop out on-the-cheap hire. High level coordinator's don't grow on trees. It's REALLY hard to find one that can do it. It's not like going to War-Mart. Even the OC's at some of the really big programs leave a lot to be desired. Go through the top 25 and tell me how many you think would be home run hires here that would come for $2M. There aren't many established ones out there that we'd want. And the few that we might want are already making a lot, some don't want to move their families, or are in line for a HC position and don't want to start over. If you're a really good top 10 OC you're next stop is HC. We kicked the tires on a ton I'm sure. Actually, I know. So identifying an up and coming innovator is what high level HC's do. It's where you can find an edge. It's not being cheap, it's being better.

It's what Oregon did when they plucked Chip Kelly from New Hampshire to be OC.

It's what Oklahoma did when they plucked Lincoln Riley from East Carolina to be OC.

It's what Alabama did when they plucked Pete Golding from UTSA to be Co-DC/DC.

It's what Mark Stoops did when he hired a low level asst Liam Cohen from the Rams who only called plays at Maine. Very similar to Whipple's CV.

You basically just said Bob and Mark Stoops and Nick Saban made dumb, cheap hires.

And Spencer Whipple isn't toiling away at NH, ECU, or UTSA like those guys were (though he did pay his dues at UMASS already). He's working in the NFL studying under Kliff Kingsbury, Sean Kugler, Cam Turner, and some others. Talk about going to school. AND he called a game and they scored 37 points! Talk about an audition! If you have identified him as the real deal, and you've done your due diligence with everyone he works for, has worked for, coaches, and knows, you make your move. You don't care what message board mopes think.

I know you think Briles walks on water, and you know I think he would be a "good" hire, but keep in mind that his most recent market value was to take an OC position at a 2-10 bottom-dwelling SEC team in the middle of nowhere. The top 25 wasn't exactly beating down his door either. He's not some great answer. And Mario clearly decided not to go in that direction. Oh, and even after ARKY improved these last two seasons, nor did any of the other top program that were looking for coordinators. So... you know.

If it were as simple as spending a couple of hours on google to find your coordinators, it would be easy. It's not. Most fail. There are levels to this. Maybe we just sit back and let it play out. We have high level professional people in charge now. Finally.

PS- I don't think we're handing the offense to Whipple! I just like the idea of the young innovator. Oh, a la Joe Brady a year ago. Not dissimilar.
 
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