SI article

[CaneAlmighty]

Who is this "Jose" guy?

 

[NVA CANE]

Wait so a proven con man shows you that he bet on games via his own fraudulent accounts and this means that The U did wrong? Bc he said so?

HAVE WE NOT LEARNED OUR LESSON ABOUT THIS GUY? Btw I have ZERO DOUBT this is an NCAA encouraged article.

Get ready for it gents. They are def going to hit us with another bowl ban and major scholarship reductions, and we will be forced to sue.

No there will not be another bowl ban or major scholly reductions. There will be scholarship reductions (max 5 a year for 3 years imo) and probation but no bowl ban.

 

[bacane]

Oh well, how the mighty have slipped and fallen - Sports Illustrated. Somebody told Shapiro that Miami's defense or defensive line was slow so he bet GTech. Bull****. If Shapiro followed Miami that closely and was as knowledgeable as he believed himself to be, he didn't need anyone to pass along those pearls of wisdom. Please, his rants and gambling tip stuff is such a reach. And yes, another sucker falls for Nevin - a host of well-educated, wealthy investors, Yahoo, the NCAA and its wondorous gumshoes (led by an ex-Indy cop), his attorney, Miami coaches/players, an old girlfriend and now Mr. SI, the same writer (notice not investigative reporter) who penned the cover piece two decades ago suggesting Miami should shut down its football program. This is just lazy, stale, hackney garbage from the latest folks to rings Nevin's prison bell.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

The author is a sucker. Not surprising. I've mentioned previously that the term "inside information" is a joke in Las Vegas but since the vast majority of fans and media members are clueless toward gambling they lap up something like that.

Let's see, Miami at Virginia Tech under in 2005. I had that one. Had to sweat the finish. Neither team had allowed 20 or more points in a couple of months yet the total was above 40. It fit my system of points allowed and yardage allowed as applied to a total. You really needed inside information, whatever that is, to isolate that pick. The advantage was slight and it happened to finish on the favorable end. That's sports betting.

The Canes weren't covering double digit spreads at home in that era. Had been going on for several years, long before Shannon took over. The trend became obvious and well known. Miami was faring particularly poorly as large home favorite within the ACC. The spreads would open high and be bet down, almost without exception. You had to get them early. The +13 on NC State at Miami in 2007 was a shockingly high number for several reasons. The Canes were coming off the memorable upset of FSU in Tallahassee a week earlier. Wise guys love to bet letdown spots like that, taking big points against a team that just won as underdog. I remember grabbing +13 on Sunday night and telling my friend it wouldn't last one day. By Monday morning it was down to -11.5, and later -11. Miami had already failed a couple of times as big home chalk that year, failing to even score the spread hosting FIU or Duke. That's what makes a line move. Shapiro knows he would be laughed out of the room if he spewed his garbage in betting circles but a gullible writer will write it down with his tongue hanging out.

Notice that Shapiro brags about winning 23 bets on Miami games between 2005 and 2009. Not 23 games...23 bets. Was he ahead? The author somehow doesn't include that information. That's 5 seasons and 55+ games. Shapiro has already indicated he bets totals. Heck, he bets everything. Playing the side and total on the same game is hardly uncommon for an avid gambler. Yet it equates to only 23 cashed tickets in 5 years. I doubt he was passing on many Canes games...uninvolved.

Quite amusing that we only read about his successes. It reminds me of an article I once wrote for a local weekly in Las Vegas. The editor asked for the 10 best sports bets I'd ever seen. Once I submitted it, he was in disbelief and asked me to write it again. My crime? Half of the bets lost. But heading into the games, or events, I considered them the best opportunities I'd seen.

 

[dk72]

Oh well, how the mighty have slipped and fallen - Sports Illustrated. Somebody told Shapiro that Miami's defense or defensive line was slow so he bet GTech. Bull****. If Shapiro followed Miami that closely and was as knowledgeable as he believed himself to be, he didn't need anyone to pass along those pearls of wisdom. Please, his rants and gambling tip stuff is such a reach. And yes, another sucker falls for Nevin - a host of well-educated, wealthy investors, Yahoo, the NCAA and its wondorous gumshoes (led by an ex-Indy cop), his attorney, Miami coaches/players, an old girlfriend and now Mr. SI, the same writer (notice not investigative reporter) who penned the cover piece two decades ago suggesting Miami should shut down its football program. This is just lazy, stale, hackney garbage from the latest folks to rings Nevin's prison bell.

That seemed odd to me as well. Two of the three examples given (other than Wright set to be benched) were not "inside information", they were nothing more than an analysis of how a particular position unit has been playing. That's no different from watching Sports Center before a game, or the pre-game show. That Sports Illustrated would present that as evidence of UM somehow being complicit in Shapiro's gambling proves that they have zero journalistic integrity, and frankly, are pretty stupid.

 

[Soul Cane]

The author is a sucker. Not surprising. I've mentioned previously that the term "inside information" is a joke in Las Vegas but since the vast majority of fans and media members are clueless toward gambling they lap up something like that.

Let's see, Miami at Virginia Tech under in 2005. I had that one. Had to sweat the finish. Neither team had allowed 20 or more points in a couple of months yet the total was above 40. It fit my system of points allowed and yardage allowed as applied to a total. You really needed inside information, whatever that is, to isolate that pick. The advantage was slight and it happened to finish on the favorable end. That's sports betting.

The Canes weren't covering double digit spreads at home in that era. Had been going on for several years, long before Shannon took over. The trend became obvious and well known. Miami was faring particularly poorly as large home favorite within the ACC. The spreads would open high and be bet down, almost without exception. You had to get them early. The +13 on NC State at Miami in 2007 was a shockingly high number for several reasons. The Canes were coming off the memorable upset of FSU in Tallahassee a week earlier. Wise guys love to bet letdown spots like that, taking big points against a team that just won as underdog. I remember grabbing +13 on Sunday night and telling my friend it wouldn't last one day. By Monday morning it was down to -11.5, and later -11. Miami had already failed a couple of times as big home chalk that year, failing to even score the spread hosting FIU or Duke. That's what makes a line move. Shapiro knows he would be laughed out of the room if he spewed his garbage in betting circles but a gullible writer will write it down with his tongue hanging out.

Notice that Shapiro brags about winning 23 bets on Miami games between 2005 and 2009. Not 23 games...23 bets. Was he ahead? The author somehow doesn't include that information. That's 5 seasons and 55+ games. Shapiro has already indicated he bets totals. Heck, he bets everything. Playing the side and total on the same game is hardly uncommon for an avid gambler. Yet it equates to only 23 cashed tickets in 5 years. I doubt he was passing on many Canes games...uninvolved.

Quite amusing that we only read about his successes. It reminds me of an article I once wrote for a local weekly in Las Vegas. The editor asked for the 10 best sports bets I'd ever seen. Once I submitted it, he was in disbelief and asked me to write it again. My crime? Half of the bets lost. But heading into the games, or events, I considered them the best opportunities I'd seen.

Bankruptcy proceedings reflected he lost over 9 million gambling.

If Miami coaches/players were truly helping Shapiro win gambling bets, why in **** did he end up losing millions?

 

[Udaman]

My memory is a little hazy but even the Wright benching was if not known then highly likely since he injured his ankle during the first quarter at FSU two weeks earlier.

Oh well, how the mighty have slipped and fallen - Sports Illustrated. Somebody told Shapiro that Miami's defense or defensive line was slow so he bet GTech. Bull****. If Shapiro followed Miami that closely and was as knowledgeable as he believed himself to be, he didn't need anyone to pass along those pearls of wisdom. Please, his rants and gambling tip stuff is such a reach. And yes, another sucker falls for Nevin - a host of well-educated, wealthy investors, Yahoo, the NCAA and its wondorous gumshoes (led by an ex-Indy cop), his attorney, Miami coaches/players, an old girlfriend and now Mr. SI, the same writer (notice not investigative reporter) who penned the cover piece two decades ago suggesting Miami should shut down its football program. This is just lazy, stale, hackney garbage from the latest folks to rings Nevin's prison bell.

That seemed odd to me as well. Two of the three examples given (other than Wright set to be benched) were not "inside information", they were nothing more than an analysis of how a particular position unit has been playing. That's no different from watching Sports Center before a game, or the pre-game show. That Sports Illustrated would present that as evidence of UM somehow being complicit in Shapiro's gambling proves that they have zero journalistic integrity, and frankly, are pretty stupid.

 

[UCaneDoIt]

Oh well, how the mighty have slipped and fallen - Sports Illustrated. Somebody told Shapiro that Miami's defense or defensive line was slow so he bet GTech. Bull****. If Shapiro followed Miami that closely and was as knowledgeable as he believed himself to be, he didn't need anyone to pass along those pearls of wisdom. Please, his rants and gambling tip stuff is such a reach. And yes, another sucker falls for Nevin - a host of well-educated, wealthy investors, Yahoo, the NCAA and its wondorous gumshoes (led by an ex-Indy cop), his attorney, Miami coaches/players, an old girlfriend and now Mr. SI, the same writer (notice not investigative reporter) who penned the cover piece two decades ago suggesting Miami should shut down its football program. This is just lazy, stale, hackney garbage from the latest folks to rings Nevin's prison bell.

That seemed odd to me as well. Two of the three examples given (other than Wright set to be benched) were not "inside information", they were nothing more than an analysis of how a particular position unit has been playing. That's no different from watching Sports Center before a game, or the pre-game show. That Sports Illustrated would present that as evidence of UM somehow being complicit in Shapiro's gambling proves that they have zero journalistic integrity, and frankly, are pretty stupid.

And all that is talked about is information that may have helped him win a bet. Nothing is mentioned about times when his "insider information" didn't do squat. What a terrible job by SI.

 

[Soul Cane]

My memory is a little hazy but even the Wright benching was if not known then highly likely since he injured his ankle during the first quarter at FSU two weeks earlier.

Oh well, how the mighty have slipped and fallen - Sports Illustrated. Somebody told Shapiro that Miami's defense or defensive line was slow so he bet GTech. Bull****. If Shapiro followed Miami that closely and was as knowledgeable as he believed himself to be, he didn't need anyone to pass along those pearls of wisdom. Please, his rants and gambling tip stuff is such a reach. And yes, another sucker falls for Nevin - a host of well-educated, wealthy investors, Yahoo, the NCAA and its wondorous gumshoes (led by an ex-Indy cop), his attorney, Miami coaches/players, an old girlfriend and now Mr. SI, the same writer (notice not investigative reporter) who penned the cover piece two decades ago suggesting Miami should shut down its football program. This is just lazy, stale, hackney garbage from the latest folks to rings Nevin's prison bell.

That seemed odd to me as well. Two of the three examples given (other than Wright set to be benched) were not "inside information", they were nothing more than an analysis of how a particular position unit has been playing. That's no different from watching Sports Center before a game, or the pre-game show. That Sports Illustrated would present that as evidence of UM somehow being complicit in Shapiro's gambling proves that they have zero journalistic integrity, and frankly, are pretty stupid.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3087357

It wasn't a big secret. Virtually every Miami fan knew Wright wasn't going to be able to go against NC State. Many people were excited to see what Kirby Freeman could do.

 

[UCaneDoIt]

Funny thing is they made mention that the line moved 2 points. It was probably his bet that moved the line. If he came in heavy on NC State Vegas may have adjusted the line to even out the action. (I admit that I am not a gambling aficionado so I might be wrong)

 

[Consigliere]

Funny thing is they made mention that the line moved 2 points. It was probably his bet that moved the line. If he came in heavy on NC State Vegas may have adjusted the line to even out the action. (I admit that I am not a gambling aficionado so I might be wrong)

So the fact that the starting QB being out wouldn't move the line.

 

[nadiamufdi]

Funny thing is they made mention that the line moved 2 points. It was probably his bet that moved the line. If he came in heavy on NC State Vegas may have adjusted the line to even out the action. (I admit that I am not a gambling aficionado so I might be wrong)

So the fact that the starting QB being out wouldn't move the line.

He said he might be wrong

 

[UCaneDoIt]

Funny thing is they made mention that the line moved 2 points. It was probably his bet that moved the line. If he came in heavy on NC State Vegas may have adjusted the line to even out the action. (I admit that I am not a gambling aficionado so I might be wrong)

So the fact that the starting QB being out wouldn't move the line.

It was known that Kyle was hurt. Even if he played he would have been hobbled. This may have already been taken into account. Fluck it I have no idea...

 

[Consigliere]

Funny thing is they made mention that the line moved 2 points. It was probably his bet that moved the line. If he came in heavy on NC State Vegas may have adjusted the line to even out the action. (I admit that I am not a gambling aficionado so I might be wrong)

So the fact that the starting QB being out wouldn't move the line.

He said he might be wrong

I see that but Shapiro was likely gambling with a bookie, correct?

If he was Gamble with a bookie, was the bookie then taking the same bet in Vegas? I don't follow how he moved the line, he doesn't strike me as a guy who gambled legally.

 

[UCaneDoIt]

Funny thing is they made mention that the line moved 2 points. It was probably his bet that moved the line. If he came in heavy on NC State Vegas may have adjusted the line to even out the action. (I admit that I am not a gambling aficionado so I might be wrong)

So the fact that the starting QB being out wouldn't move the line.

He said he might be wrong

I see that but Shapiro was likely gambling with a bookie, correct?

If he was Gamble with a bookie, was the bookie then taking the same bet in Vegas? I don't follow how he moved the line, he doesn't strike me as a guy who gambled legally.

In the article it said he moved money to some guy that ran AdamWins.com and he would make bets for him in Vegas.

 

[nadiamufdi]

Funny thing is they made mention that the line moved 2 points. It was probably his bet that moved the line. If he came in heavy on NC State Vegas may have adjusted the line to even out the action. (I admit that I am not a gambling aficionado so I might be wrong)

So the fact that the starting QB being out wouldn't move the line.

He said he might be wrong

I see that but Shapiro was likely gambling with a bookie, correct?

If he was Gamble with a bookie, was the bookie then taking the same bet in Vegas? I don't follow how he moved the line, he doesn't strike me as a guy who gambled legally.

At ease Counselor. I was just messing with you. I agree with your stance

 

[Consigliere]

Funny thing is they made mention that the line moved 2 points. It was probably his bet that moved the line. If he came in heavy on NC State Vegas may have adjusted the line to even out the action. (I admit that I am not a gambling aficionado so I might be wrong)

So the fact that the starting QB being out wouldn't move the line.

He said he might be wrong

I see that but Shapiro was likely gambling with a bookie, correct?

If he was Gamble with a bookie, was the bookie then taking the same bet in Vegas? I don't follow how he moved the line, he doesn't strike me as a guy who gambled legally.

At ease Counselor. I was just messing with you. I agree with your stance

No worries, something reeks of this claim besides that fact that it is untrue. The NCAA is NOT bringing this in the NOA and Yahoo didn't run it. Why now? COI doesn't care about these BS accusations.

NS claims to lose 9 million gambling, if he was doing that on insider information then there is no way he ran a ponzi scheme. One can't sucker almost a billion dollars out of investors (even if they are all retards) and lose money gambling with insider information.

The information was either BS or there was none.

 

[daddacane]

So he tells SI about big winnings, but tells justice dept he lost over $9 million.. SI still prints the latest lying story a month after he admitted to federal judge he has lied lied lied..Shame Shame on SI. Please keep walking when you see the latest issue on your newstand.

 

[Consigliere]

So he tells SI about big winnings, but tells justice dept he lost over $9 million.. SI still prints the latest lying story a month after he admitted to federal judge he has lied lied lied..Shame Shame on SI. Please keep walking when you see the latest issue on your newstand.

Like I said above, it makes no sense. Is he lying to the bankruptcy court? Possibly. If he is lying to the bankruptcy court, then what does that say about him telling the truth to the NCAA or other parties. It just shows that he is a bigger liar then before.

This claim on its face makes no sense. It either reveals another possible lie (he did not have insider information or he did not lose $9 million gambling) and further shows the insanity of the NCAA backing this guy to make their case.

In the end the NCAA should have went with a simple resolution that ended about 18 months ago. They should have just settled with us and saved everyone time and money. Now we wait and in the process we wasted 2.5 years, 2 bowl bans and and ACCCG appearance, looked like crap by every media outlet and all the negative recruiting that followed.

They want to hit us, we will see.

 

[Canesfan1899]

IT's all grabage, the whole thing.