SEC Late Season Cupcake Scheduling

[Canedude08]

Don't care. Our normal ACC schedule is a cupcake schedule. We need to beef up the OOC instead of complaining what others do.

This isn't NCAA25, where you can schedule 4 Top 15 games in your OOC and expect to win all four. Miami has had a relatively sane OOC schedule for the last two decades. Honestly, an ACC team overextending themselves in OOC play is stupid, because it's not like you are going to get credit, even if you win all of them.

Historically, Miami has scheduled:

1 Big Name Opponent
1-2 G5/Lower tier P4 Opponents
1 Rent a Victim

That's standard. We don't have a state "mandated" rival to fill out the schedule, so it's not like FSU, who is assured of having at least one major opponent on the OOC slate, or Clemson. In a sane world, Miami would have UF on the schedule every year, but we know full well the Gators would never sign up for that. Miami has found a way to keep at least one higher end name on the schedule year in and year out despite having to do it from scratch. One can argue that adding another G5 game, and getting rid of the Rent A Victim game makes sense, but that's also a game that does a lot in regards to community relations. Having FAMU/BCU on the schedule brings butts to the seats that playing some random G5 school likely won't ever do, unless it's FIU or FAU.

 

[mcnaire2004]

This isn't NCAA25, where you can schedule 4 Top 15 games in your OOC and expect to win all four. Miami has had a relatively sane OOC schedule for the last two decades. Honestly, an ACC team overextending themselves in OOC play is stupid, because it's not like you are going to get credit, even if you win all of them.

Historically, Miami has scheduled:

1 Big Name Opponent
1-2 G5/Lower tier P4 Opponents
1 Rent a Victim

That's standard. We don't have a state "mandated" rival to fill out the schedule, so it's not like FSU, who is assured of having at least one major opponent on the OOC slate, or Clemson. In a sane world, Miami would have UF on the schedule every year, but we know full well the Gators would never sign up for that. Miami has found a way to keep at least one higher end name on the schedule year in and year out despite having to do it from scratch. One can argue that adding another G5 game, and getting rid of the Rent A Victim game makes sense, but that's also a game that does a lot in regards to community relations. Having FAMU/BCU on the schedule brings butts to the seats that playing some random G5 school likely won't ever do, unless it's FIU or FAU.

During the Golden era there was a stated shift (as in Al said he met with Blake to do it) in scheduling strategies.

-1 team we may not be favored against
-3 teams we would definitely be favored against. 1 of them being FCS

It was an adaptation to the landscape.

We haven't deviated from that since.

We need to adapt to five ourselves a better shot.

Also, if you look at future schedules Bama scheduled 2 big OOC games a year that begins in the next few years. So it can be done.

 

[Canedude08]

During the Golden era there was a stated shift (as in Al said he met with Blake to do it) in scheduling strategies.

-1 team we may not be favored against
-3 teams we would definitely be favored against. 1 of them being FCS

It was an adaptation to the landscape.

We haven't deviated from that since.

We need to adapt to five ourselves a better shot.

Also, if you look at future schedules Bama scheduled 2 big OOC games a year that begins in the next few years. So it can be done.

Bama also knows there's ZERO RISK if they schedule that aggressively. This is the point our fans refuse to recognize. The odds of Bama winning both of those huge OOC games is low, especially if they go on the road(Which they have been reluctant to do, choosing instead to play in neutral site games, mostly neutral site games in the South).

Even if Bama goes 1-1 in that situation, and then loses 1-2 more games in the SEC, they are safely in the CFP. Miami on the other hand, schedules aggressively, goes 1-1 and then loses 1 game in conference play: "Miami is trash, no way should they be in the CFP". That's the issue. Narratives control the conversation, not logic. If logic mattered in this situation, Syracuse wouldn't be ranked behind UNLV right now, despite having more wins AND beating UNLV this season. Louisville and Duke wouldn't be ignored, while Mizzou could be mediocre as **** and STILL STAY IN THE RANKINGS WEEK AFTER WEEK. The committee builds their rankings to justify what they want to happen, not recognize who is good and who isn't. Winning the ACC is likely the ONLY way Miami can be assured of making the playoff.

 

[305407cane]

Clemson does it , too

So did fspoo this year. Allowed them to get to 2 wins

 

[mcnaire2004]

Bama also knows there's ZERO RISK if they schedule that aggressively. This is the point our fans refuse to recognize. The odds of Bama winning both of those huge OOC games is low, especially if they go on the road(Which they have been reluctant to do, choosing instead to play in neutral site games, mostly neutral site games in the South).

Even if Bama goes 1-1 in that situation, and then loses 1-2 more games in the SEC, they are safely in the CFP. Miami on the other hand, schedules aggressively, goes 1-1 and then loses 1 game in conference play: "Miami is trash, no way should they be in the CFP". That's the issue. Narratives control the conversation, not logic. If logic mattered in this situation, Syracuse wouldn't be ranked behind UNLV right now, despite having more wins AND beating UNLV this season. Louisville and Duke wouldn't be ignored, while Mizzou could be mediocre as **** and STILL STAY IN THE RANKINGS WEEK AFTER WEEK. The committee builds their rankings to justify what they want to happen, not recognize who is good and who isn't. Winning the ACC is likely the ONLY way Miami can be assured of making the playoff.

You argue that winning the ACC is the only way. Well multiple big time OOC games won't hurt that goal.

We played 0 ranked teams this year. That hurt us. What's wrong with playing a respectable schedule? As a fan aren't you tied of seeing cup cakes? What happened to anyone, anywhere, anytime? Why be a ***** especially when there is no benefit to it? Are you scared we'll get hurt with a couple of ranked teams on the schedule?

 

[Canedude08]

You argue that winning the ACC is the only way. Well multiple big time OOC games won't hurt that goal.

We played 0 ranked teams this year. That hurt us. What's wrong with playing a respectable schedule? As a fan aren't you tied of seeing cup cakes? What happened to anyone, anywhere, anytime? Why be a ***** especially when there is no benefit to it? Are you scared we'll get hurt with a couple of ranked teams on the schedule?

Did we actually play zero ranked teams, or were the rankings manipulated to JUSTIFY ******** over any and every non SEC/B1G team with a case. Think about it, Mizzou was ranked for **** near the entire season, while Duke wasn't, despite Duke losing closely to multiple top end teams.

Again, this isn't some video game where you can put together some dream schedule and be assured of winning every week. In a perfect world, Miami would have another solid game on the schedule, hence why I suggested getting rid of the rent a victim game and adding another solid G5/Lower level P4 game. The issue is that you are likely ******** yourself no matter what, because of something outside of your control, and that's not being in one of the golden child conferences.

By the way, this revisionist history in regards to our schedules needs to stop. Miami believed in the "Anywhere, Anytime" scheduling method back when it actually BENEFITED a program to be aggressive. For an ACC team, the only avenue open is to win the conference, everything else is a fool's errand. Look at SMU. If they lose Saturday, it's extremely likely they will be excluded, even though they would have a record of 11-2. Indiana, who didn't even qualify for the B1G Championship game is in at 11-1, despite having a significantly weaker schedule and getting waxed by the only team worth a **** on their schedule. Let that marinate.

This macho nonsense doesn't help the program, there's nothing wrong with building a schedule where you have a major test or two, and then a step down from that. The ACC should consider adding 1-2 more conference games. Why not?

 

[mcnaire2004]

Did we actually play zero ranked teams, or were the rankings manipulated to JUSTIFY ******** over any and every non SEC/B1G team with a case. Think about it, Mizzou was ranked for **** near the entire season, while Duke wasn't, despite Duke losing closely to multiple top end teams.

Again, this isn't some video game where you can put together some dream schedule and be assured of winning every week. In a perfect world, Miami would have another solid game on the schedule, hence why I suggested getting rid of the rent a victim game and adding another solid G5/Lower level P4 game. The issue is that you are likely ******** yourself no matter what, because of something outside of your control, and that's not being in one of the golden child conferences.

By the way, this revisionist history in regards to our schedules needs to stop. Miami believed in the "Anywhere, Anytime" scheduling method back when it actually BENEFITED a program to be aggressive. For an ACC team, the only avenue open is to win the conference, everything else is a fool's errand. Look at SMU. If they lose Saturday, it's extremely likely they will be excluded, even though they would have a record of 11-2. Indiana, who didn't even qualify for the B1G Championship game is in at 11-1, despite having a significantly weaker schedule and getting waxed by the only team worth a **** on their schedule. Let that marinate.

This macho nonsense doesn't help the program, there's nothing wrong with building a schedule where you have a major test or two, and then a step down from that. The ACC should consider adding 1-2 more conference games. Why not?

We actually played zero ranked teams. That's real.

You realize you are arguing as if I'm saying ACCCG vs OOC as if those remotely affect one another.

If we only play cupcakes we get treated like a cupcake.

 

[Braduhley]

Allowing these games (usually) the week before rivalry week is such horse ****. Essentially a late season bye week.

 

[YankeesCane]

What should the Big Ten do? They play cupcakes every week

 

[YankeesCane]

Miami doesn't play cupcakes

In an ideal college football scenario, FSU is good, Miami usually plays one good out of Conference game each season, then we play a Louisville, Clemson type, who normally are top 15 teams or so.

We just don't play as part of a Confernece schedule a Georgia, Alabama, Texas

 

[Canedude08]

We actually played zero ranked teams. That's real.

You realize you are arguing as if I'm saying ACCCG vs OOC as if those remotely affect one another.

If we only play cupcakes we get treated like a cupcake.

Miami didn't play cupcakes all year this year, and it didn't matter. Miami got no credit for stomping UF out in their own crib, and dominating a bowl eligible USF. Keep in mind, the same people that say that Miami didn't play a ranked team, also pointed to MIZZOU as a ranked team.

I find it hard to believe, Duke, Syracuse and Louisville weren't consistently ranked, but Mizzou and other assorted B1G/SEC trash was allowed to hang in the rankings for most of the year, especially if they beat ONE decent team.

 

[dk72]

I don't care for whining when there are things that we could do.

Again, dumb argument. There are always "things we can do". But there should only be one standard, not special compensation for SEC teams. Its like awarding a win to a team that has fewer points because they have a certain affiliation, but telling you your team still could have been given the win if you outscored them by 10 instead of 3, so there were things that we could have done

 

[mcnaire2004]

Miami didn't play cupcakes all year this year, and it didn't matter. Miami got no credit for stomping UF out in their own crib, and dominating a bowl eligible USF. Keep in mind, the same people that say that Miami didn't play a ranked team, also pointed to MIZZOU as a ranked team.

I find it hard to believe, Duke, Syracuse and Louisville weren't consistently ranked, but Mizzou and other assorted B1G/SEC trash was allowed to hang in the rankings for most of the year, especially if they beat ONE decent team.

We got no credit for beating a Florida team that was predicted to win five games?

How do you find it hard to believe that the teams you listed weren't consistently ranked? Are Arabic numerals a challenge for you?

Right now you're talking about not getting credit for beating bowl eligible teams? Not only do not see the lower competition we play you have a cupcake mentality.

 

[mcnaire2004]

Again, dumb argument. There are always "things we can do". But there should only be one standard, not special compensation for SEC teams. Its like awarding a win to a team that has fewer points because they have a certain affiliation, but telling you your team still could have been given the win if you outscored them by 10 instead of 3, so there were things that we could have done

What is this, communist Russia?

 

[Rellyrell]

You may not care that different rules apply depending on the conference affiliation patch worn on the jersey, but most do.

This was the schedule for the SEC teams in the CFP:

Texas:
Opened up w/ 4 OOC games:
3 G5 teams (UTSA, Louisiana-Monroe, Colorado St)
1 P4 team (at time of match up #10 Michigan)

8 games v. SEC

UGA:
Opened up w/ 2 OOC games:
1 P4 team (#17 Clemson {was #14 at time of matchup})
1 FCS (Tenn Tech)

8 games vs. SEC
1 G5 team (UMass)
1 P4 team (GT - who beat us)

Tenn:
Opened up w/ 3 OOC games:
1 FCS (Chattanooga)
1 G5 (Kent State)
1 P4 (at time of matchup #24 NCSt)

7 games v. SEC
1 game v. G5 (UTEP)
1 game v. SEC

Bama:
Opened up w/ 3 OOC games:
2 G5 teams (WKU, USF)
1 P4 (Wisconsin)

6 games v. SEC
1 game v. FCS (Mercer)
2 games v. SEC

Miami:
Opened w/ 4 OOC games:
1 P4 (UF)
1 FCS (FAMU)
2 G5 (BSU & USF)

8 games v. ACC



Listen, I know we’re bitter at the CFP snub, but ya’ll r reaching on the scheduling. CIS has become Conspiracy Insight.

 

[TemplarCane]

Don't lose games late as others have said

Alabama lost 24-3 at Oklahoma, who is a scrub team in the $EC.

Late in the season.

21 point loss.

Miami two losses were by 5 and 4 points.

 

[dk72]

What is this, communist Russia?

Sounds like for you its an SEC dictatorship

 

[dk72]

This was the schedule for the SEC teams in the CFP:

Texas:
Opened up w/ 4 OOC games:
3 G5 teams (UTSA, Louisiana-Monroe, Colorado St)
1 P4 team (at time of match up #10 Michigan)

8 games v. SEC

UGA:
Opened up w/ 2 OOC games:
1 P4 team (#17 Clemson {was #14 at time of matchup})
1 FCS (Tenn Tech)

8 games vs. SEC
1 G5 team (UMass)
1 P4 team (GT - who beat us)

Tenn:
Opened up w/ 3 OOC games:
1 FCS (Chattanooga)
1 G5 (Kent State)
1 P4 (at time of matchup #24 NCSt)

7 games v. SEC
1 game v. G5 (UTEP)
1 game v. SEC

Bama:
Opened up w/ 3 OOC games:
2 G5 teams (WKU, USF)
1 P4 (Wisconsin)

6 games v. SEC
1 game v. FCS (Mercer)
2 games v. SEC

Miami:
Opened w/ 4 OOC games:
1 P4 (UF)
1 FCS (FAMU)
2 G5 (BSU & USF)

8 games v. ACC



Listen, I know we’re bitter at the CFP snub, but ya’ll r reaching on the scheduling. CIS has become Conspiracy Insight.

My post wasn't about the scheduling thing. It was about the stupid post that since we could have done more to get in, we shouldn't complain even though another team with far worse losses, plus an extra loss, got in solely based on name and affiliation...breaking the Committee's own stated bases for rankings

 

[Rellyrell]

My post wasn't about the scheduling thing. It was about the stupid post that since we could have done more to get in, we shouldn't complain even though another team with far worse losses, plus an extra loss, got in solely based on name and affiliation...breaking the Committee's own stated bases for rankings

OK, so here’s my ? & I really want everyone to think about this as a balancing scale:

What quality wins do we have that offsets bad losses? This ? was actually posed to me & I didn’t have an answer. The best win, record wise, we have on our schedule is Duke at 9-3. If u’re going to have a bad losses, u gotta have a great win. It’s been like that since I’ve been watching CFB pre BCS.

 

[dk72]

OK, so here’s my ? & I really want everyone to think about this as a balancing scale:

What quality wins do we have that offsets bad losses? This ? was actually posed to me & I didn’t have an answer. The best win, record wise, we have on our schedule is Duke at 9-3. If u’re going to have a bad losses, u gotta have a great win. It’s been like that since I’ve been watching CFB pre BCS.

Our "bad losses" are a combined 9 points over two games. Bama not only lost 3 games, two were to bad teams as bad or worse than the teams we lost to, and one was an absolute ***-kicking by a .500, unranked team where Bama only managed 3 points and lost by 21. At no point in our losses were we ever utterly non-competitive like Bama. The CFP Committee themselves stated that number of losses is of primary importance, yet they ignored that in exactly one instance in their last poll, us