Scrimmage Observations

[WhatTheHell]

It is very reasonable to expect a regression in win total this year.
Below, you will find schools that lost at least 5 players to the first 4 rounds of the NFL draft before the given season, and how that affected their win total compared to the previous year.



LSU
2014: -2 wins

Notre Dame
2014: - 1 win

Florida State
2014: - 1 win

Florida State
2013: +1 win

Alabama
2013: - 2 wins

LSU
2013: No change

Florida
2013: - 7 wins

 

[weownfsu]

How is 4-8 nuts? We went 6-7 last year and lost all of our best players.

Everybody lost good player this is college football not the nfl.

Not sure how that explains how it's "nuts" that a 6-7 team that lost all of its best players would go 4-8.

Because that's how it works in college football. Your best players typically move on, then new best players emerge. It's not the pros. You don't sign them to long-term contracts. EVERY team deals with this.

That doesn't answer my question at all.

 

[CoCaneHead]

How is 4-8 nuts? We went 6-7 last year and lost all of our best players.

Everybody lost good player this is college football not the nfl.

Not sure how that explains how it's "nuts" that a 6-7 team that lost all of its best players would go 4-8.

Because that's how it works in college football. Your best players typically move on, then new best players emerge. It's not the pros. You don't sign them to long-term contracts. EVERY team deals with this.

That doesn't answer my question at all.

4-8 isn't crazy we won 6 games last year barely... the players now are unproven. at TE RB OL..ETC

 

[weownfsu]

It is very reasonable to expect a regression in win total this year.
Below, you will find schools that lost at least 5 players to the first 4 rounds of the NFL draft before the given season, and how that affected their win total compared to the previous year.



LSU
2014: -2 wins

Notre Dame
2014: - 1 win

Florida State
2014: - 1 win

Florida State
2013: +1 win

Alabama
2013: - 2 wins

LSU
2013: No change

Florida
2013: - 7 wins

Bro you dont get it bro

 

[SFbayCane]

How is 4-8 nuts? We went 6-7 last year and lost all of our best players.

Everybody lost good player this is college football not the nfl.

Not sure how that explains how it's "nuts" that a 6-7 team that lost all of its best players would go 4-8.

Because that's how it works in college football. Your best players typically move on, then new best players emerge. It's not the pros. You don't sign them to long-term contracts. EVERY team deals with this.

Then how do you explain UM going from 9 wins down to 6 wins, year over year between 2013 and 2014?


It seems to me that the trend line favors WeOwn's line of thinking, no??

 

[fincane]

Everybody lost good player this is college football not the nfl.

Not sure how that explains how it's "nuts" that a 6-7 team that lost all of its best players would go 4-8.

Because that's how it works in college football. Your best players typically move on, then new best players emerge. It's not the pros. You don't sign them to long-term contracts. EVERY team deals with this.

That doesn't answer my question at all.

4-8 isn't crazy we won 6 games last year barely... the players now are unproven. at TE RB OL..ETC

There will also be an experienced QB on the field who will be better than at least 10 of the 12 QBs he faces and at a minimum even with the other 2. Great QBs can elevate the play around them and make up for below average coaching. That's Kaaya challenge.
If he is as great as a lot of people think he will be 4 wins is a crazy prediction.

 

[FullyERicht]

Team has significantly less talent than last year, with the same amateur staff. Least excited I've been about a Canes season since '07.

 

[chicanego]

Not sure how that explains how it's "nuts" that a 6-7 team that lost all of its best players would go 4-8.

Because that's how it works in college football. Your best players typically move on, then new best players emerge. It's not the pros. You don't sign them to long-term contracts. EVERY team deals with this.

That doesn't answer my question at all.

4-8 isn't crazy we won 6 games last year barely... the players now are unproven. at TE RB OL..ETC

There will also be an experienced QB on the field who will be better than at least 10 of the 12 QBs he faces and at a minimum even with the other 2. Great QBs can elevate the play around them and make up for below average coaching. That's Kaaya challenge.
If he is as great as a lot of people think he will be 4 wins is a crazy prediction.

Yet he was also one of the best quarterbacks as a true freshman and also better than most of the QBs he squared off against last year, save Winston.

I'm not buying the "Kaaya's Growth" rationale as a reason we'll succeed next season.

Dorsett, Johnson, and Walford accounted for more than 60% of Kaaya's reception yards. It's a two-way street: Kaaya elevated their play, but they also elevated his play. I've read DMoney's observations on practice and while it's great to hear he has leaner and stronger, losing 3 of your top targets - who also happened to be drafted in the top 80 in the draft - will make for a huge adjustment. Combined with the potential weakness on OL, and I see Kaaya regressing.

The 4-win prediction is not crazy. We've lost a ton of talent and we're continually out-coached. Using the talent argument is useless with the staff.

 

[weownfsu]

Not sure how that explains how it's "nuts" that a 6-7 team that lost all of its best players would go 4-8.

Because that's how it works in college football. Your best players typically move on, then new best players emerge. It's not the pros. You don't sign them to long-term contracts. EVERY team deals with this.

That doesn't answer my question at all.

4-8 isn't crazy we won 6 games last year barely... the players now are unproven. at TE RB OL..ETC

There will also be an experienced QB on the field who will be better than at least 10 of the 12 QBs he faces and at a minimum even with the other 2. Great QBs can elevate the play around them and make up for below average coaching. That's Kaaya challenge.
If he is as great as a lot of people think he will be 4 wins is a crazy prediction.

QB's dont face each other. brad Kaaya was better than almost every QB he "faced" last year too and we went 6-7.

 

[maurice3p]

Because that's how it works in college football. Your best players typically move on, then new best players emerge. It's not the pros. You don't sign them to long-term contracts. EVERY team deals with this.

That doesn't answer my question at all.

4-8 isn't crazy we won 6 games last year barely... the players now are unproven. at TE RB OL..ETC

There will also be an experienced QB on the field who will be better than at least 10 of the 12 QBs he faces and at a minimum even with the other 2. Great QBs can elevate the play around them and make up for below average coaching. That's Kaaya challenge.
If he is as great as a lot of people think he will be 4 wins is a crazy prediction.

QB's dont face each other. brad Kaaya was better than almost every QB he "faced" last year too and we went 6-7.

The offense ran through the RB last season. QB was held back because he was a freshman.

Miami shouldn't have went 6-7. That was a fluke. ANYBODY that knows football, knows Miami should have went 8-4. Last two games were throw aways.

 

[maurice3p]

Everybody lost good player this is college football not the nfl.

Not sure how that explains how it's "nuts" that a 6-7 team that lost all of its best players would go 4-8.

Because that's how it works in college football. Your best players typically move on, then new best players emerge. It's not the pros. You don't sign them to long-term contracts. EVERY team deals with this.

That doesn't answer my question at all.

4-8 isn't crazy we won 6 games last year barely... the players now are unproven. at TE RB OL..ETC

Barely?

vs. Duke 22-10
vs. Arkansas st. 41-20
vs. FAMU 41-7
vs. Cincy 55-34
vs. VT 30-6
vs. UNC 47-20

most of those games were blowouts.

 

[weownfsu]

That doesn't answer my question at all.

4-8 isn't crazy we won 6 games last year barely... the players now are unproven. at TE RB OL..ETC

There will also be an experienced QB on the field who will be better than at least 10 of the 12 QBs he faces and at a minimum even with the other 2. Great QBs can elevate the play around them and make up for below average coaching. That's Kaaya challenge.
If he is as great as a lot of people think he will be 4 wins is a crazy prediction.

QB's dont face each other. brad Kaaya was better than almost every QB he "faced" last year too and we went 6-7.

The offense ran through the RB last season. QB was held back because he was a freshman.

Miami shouldn't have went 6-7. That was a fluke. ANYBODY that knows football, knows Miami should have went 8-4. Last two games were throw aways.

Brad Kaaya led the ACC in TD passes and passer rating last year. Please shut up.

 

[HulkaCaniac]

Not sure how that explains how it's "nuts" that a 6-7 team that lost all of its best players would go 4-8.

Because that's how it works in college football. Your best players typically move on, then new best players emerge. It's not the pros. You don't sign them to long-term contracts. EVERY team deals with this.

That doesn't answer my question at all.

4-8 isn't crazy we won 6 games last year barely... the players now are unproven. at TE RB OL..ETC

Barely?

vs. Duke 22-10
vs. Arkansas st. 41-20
vs. FAMU 41-7
vs. Cincy 55-34
vs. VT 30-6
vs. UNC 47-20

most of those games were blowouts.

Yep, blowing out ****** teams while getting your **** pushed in by the rest. #itsacanesthing

 

[maurice3p]

4-8 isn't crazy we won 6 games last year barely... the players now are unproven. at TE RB OL..ETC

There will also be an experienced QB on the field who will be better than at least 10 of the 12 QBs he faces and at a minimum even with the other 2. Great QBs can elevate the play around them and make up for below average coaching. That's Kaaya challenge.
If he is as great as a lot of people think he will be 4 wins is a crazy prediction.

QB's dont face each other. brad Kaaya was better than almost every QB he "faced" last year too and we went 6-7.

The offense ran through the RB last season. QB was held back because he was a freshman.

Miami shouldn't have went 6-7. That was a fluke. ANYBODY that knows football, knows Miami should have went 8-4. Last two games were throw aways.

Brad Kaaya led the ACC in TD passes and passer rating last year. Please shut up.

on 378 Attemps. Out of the top30 QB's, he only threw the ball more than 2 QB's on the list. Offense was run first pass second.

2014 FBS (I-A) College Football Individual Statistics Leaders for Passing - ESPN

 

[weownfsu]

There will also be an experienced QB on the field who will be better than at least 10 of the 12 QBs he faces and at a minimum even with the other 2. Great QBs can elevate the play around them and make up for below average coaching. That's Kaaya challenge.
If he is as great as a lot of people think he will be 4 wins is a crazy prediction.

QB's dont face each other. brad Kaaya was better than almost every QB he "faced" last year too and we went 6-7.

The offense ran through the RB last season. QB was held back because he was a freshman.

Miami shouldn't have went 6-7. That was a fluke. ANYBODY that knows football, knows Miami should have went 8-4. Last two games were throw aways.

Brad Kaaya led the ACC in TD passes and passer rating last year. Please shut up.

on 378 Attemps. Out of the top30 QB's, he only threw the ball more than 2 QB's on the list. Offense was run first pass second.

2014 FBS (I-A) College Football Individual Statistics Leaders for Passing - ESPN

So Brad Kaaya was so good that he led the conference in TD passes and barely threw the ball, and we still lost six games, yet we are going to be better this year because Brad Kaaya even though he lost every major offensive weapon he had. Great logic!

 

[fincane]

Because that's how it works in college football. Your best players typically move on, then new best players emerge. It's not the pros. You don't sign them to long-term contracts. EVERY team deals with this.

That doesn't answer my question at all.

4-8 isn't crazy we won 6 games last year barely... the players now are unproven. at TE RB OL..ETC

There will also be an experienced QB on the field who will be better than at least 10 of the 12 QBs he faces and at a minimum even with the other 2. Great QBs can elevate the play around them and make up for below average coaching. That's Kaaya challenge.
If he is as great as a lot of people think he will be 4 wins is a crazy prediction.

Yet he was also one of the best quarterbacks as a true freshman and also better than most of the QBs he squared off against last year, save Winston.

I'm not buying the "Kaaya's Growth" rationale as a reason we'll succeed next season.

Dorsett, Johnson, and Walford accounted for more than 60% of Kaaya's reception yards. It's a two-way street: Kaaya elevated their play, but they also elevated his play. I've read DMoney's observations on practice and while it's great to hear he has leaner and stronger, losing 3 of your top targets - who also happened to be drafted in the top 80 in the draft - will make for a huge adjustment. Combined with the potential weakness on OL, and I see Kaaya regressing.

The 4-win prediction is not crazy. We've lost a ton of talent and we're continually out-coached. Using the talent argument is useless with the staff.

You see him regressing. I see him becoming one of the best QBs in the country. The fact that I think that only translates to 8 or so wins speaks to Golden's incompetence. I don't have the same questions about the Oline as you do. We didn't have a RT to start the year last year. Everyone said S.McDermott sucked and Isidora hadn't really played. They got their heads beat in against Louisville and then were solid the rest of the way. McDermott and Darling are back along with Isidora and Linder. All 4 started and played reasonably well. I think we'll be okay there

 

[weownfsu]

That doesn't answer my question at all.

4-8 isn't crazy we won 6 games last year barely... the players now are unproven. at TE RB OL..ETC

There will also be an experienced QB on the field who will be better than at least 10 of the 12 QBs he faces and at a minimum even with the other 2. Great QBs can elevate the play around them and make up for below average coaching. That's Kaaya challenge.
If he is as great as a lot of people think he will be 4 wins is a crazy prediction.

Yet he was also one of the best quarterbacks as a true freshman and also better than most of the QBs he squared off against last year, save Winston.

I'm not buying the "Kaaya's Growth" rationale as a reason we'll succeed next season.

Dorsett, Johnson, and Walford accounted for more than 60% of Kaaya's reception yards. It's a two-way street: Kaaya elevated their play, but they also elevated his play. I've read DMoney's observations on practice and while it's great to hear he has leaner and stronger, losing 3 of your top targets - who also happened to be drafted in the top 80 in the draft - will make for a huge adjustment. Combined with the potential weakness on OL, and I see Kaaya regressing.

The 4-win prediction is not crazy. We've lost a ton of talent and we're continually out-coached. Using the talent argument is useless with the staff.

You see him regressing. I see him becoming one of the best QBs in the country. The fact that I think that only translates to 8 or so wins speaks to Golden's incompetence. I don't have the same questions about the Oline as you do. We didn't have a RT to start the year last year. Everyone said McDermott suck and Isidora hadn't really played. They got their heads beat in against Louisville and then were solid the rest of the way. McDermott and Darling are back along with Isidora and Linder. All 4 started and played reasonably well.

You're just a moron. You got embarrassed last year and now you're back with the same act. Miami is going to suck. Kaaya was excellent last year and it didnt make a god **** difference. It won't this year either.

 

[HulkaCaniac]

4-8 isn't crazy we won 6 games last year barely... the players now are unproven. at TE RB OL..ETC

There will also be an experienced QB on the field who will be better than at least 10 of the 12 QBs he faces and at a minimum even with the other 2. Great QBs can elevate the play around them and make up for below average coaching. That's Kaaya challenge.
If he is as great as a lot of people think he will be 4 wins is a crazy prediction.

Yet he was also one of the best quarterbacks as a true freshman and also better than most of the QBs he squared off against last year, save Winston.

I'm not buying the "Kaaya's Growth" rationale as a reason we'll succeed next season.

Dorsett, Johnson, and Walford accounted for more than 60% of Kaaya's reception yards. It's a two-way street: Kaaya elevated their play, but they also elevated his play. I've read DMoney's observations on practice and while it's great to hear he has leaner and stronger, losing 3 of your top targets - who also happened to be drafted in the top 80 in the draft - will make for a huge adjustment. Combined with the potential weakness on OL, and I see Kaaya regressing.

The 4-win prediction is not crazy. We've lost a ton of talent and we're continually out-coached. Using the talent argument is useless with the staff.

You see him regressing. I see him becoming one of the best QBs in the country. The fact that I think that only translates to 8 or so wins speaks to Golden's incompetence. I don't have the same questions about the Oline as you do. We didn't have a RT to start the year last year. Everyone said McDermott suck and Isidora hadn't really played. They got their heads beat in against Louisville and then were solid the rest of the way. McDermott and Darling are back along with Isidora and Linder. All 4 started and played reasonably well.

You're just a moron. You got embarrassed last year and now you're back with the same act. Miami is going to suck. Kaaya was excellent last year and it didnt make a god **** difference. It won't this year either.

Wait, fincane the slurper is back? I thought dude got ran off the WEZ for being an idiot.

 

[maurice3p]

QB's dont face each other. brad Kaaya was better than almost every QB he "faced" last year too and we went 6-7.

The offense ran through the RB last season. QB was held back because he was a freshman.

Miami shouldn't have went 6-7. That was a fluke. ANYBODY that knows football, knows Miami should have went 8-4. Last two games were throw aways.

Brad Kaaya led the ACC in TD passes and passer rating last year. Please shut up.

on 378 Attemps. Out of the top30 QB's, he only threw the ball more than 2 QB's on the list. Offense was run first pass second.

2014 FBS (I-A) College Football Individual Statistics Leaders for Passing - ESPN

So Brad Kaaya was so good that he led the conference in TD passes and barely threw the ball

Now you're getting it... Good job.

 

[weownfsu]

The offense ran through the RB last season. QB was held back because he was a freshman.

Miami shouldn't have went 6-7. That was a fluke. ANYBODY that knows football, knows Miami should have went 8-4. Last two games were throw aways.

Brad Kaaya led the ACC in TD passes and passer rating last year. Please shut up.

on 378 Attemps. Out of the top30 QB's, he only threw the ball more than 2 QB's on the list. Offense was run first pass second.

2014 FBS (I-A) College Football Individual Statistics Leaders for Passing - ESPN

So Brad Kaaya was so good that he led the conference in TD passes and barely threw the ball

Now you're getting it... Good job.

So your position is that Duke Johnson held the team back last year?