Safety Notes against UF

[tuckg305]

How much of this falls on Banda? Some of the angles our safeties were taking were really terrible.

100% coaching its seems like we dont run the pursuit drill in practice enough

 

[scrantoncane]

I’ve always felt blaming poor angles on the position coach is misguided. A large part of the angle comes from the speed of the opposing player, power of the qb’s arm, etc. Can only teach so much. Falls on instincts and preparation habits of the player IMO.

 

[freeman84]

@LuCane if hall is the better single high safety and carter is better in the box, why do you think that they have it opposite?? I mean is it just waiting for bolden ??

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

For anyone who doesn't like meticulous details of football, this thread may not be for you. It's basically a compilation of notes from watching and 2X re-watching the game. I do this for almost every game. Helps me calm down from losses. Not going to write out all the notes for each play. Will keep it to mostly Safety play.

Anyway, I never post D notes because Lance Roffers does a better image and video-based review. However, yesterday another poster on our board whose football opinions I think are helpful to the board graded out our Safeties as "really bad." It caught my eye because my notes didn't tell me "really bad." But, definitions may be different.

So, I watched everything again with my notes in hand. I had previously called our Safety play against UF average. I'll basically stick with average or good enough. Can it be better? Of course. Would an accurate QB have sliced us up more? Most likely, as I usually say that before most games, unless we make big changes to the zone blitz schemes. I saw some guys who, when combined with Bolden's range, should be a nice group by midseason.

Here ya go:

1. Amari possible misstep
2. Hall didn't fill hard enough
3. All clean
4. Hall slight delay, duo missed Tackle Hall and Carter, what, bad bad bad TD Gators
5. Measured fill, but keeping contain and Carter later fills
6. Run play cleared up prior to Safety (no consequence)
7. Bandy beat to edge on run, No Safety consequence
8. Strong pattern recognition by Hall on inside route, absolute bull**** PI call on Finley redirecting (?) WR or hand-fighting later
9. Frierson TFL on toss, excellent block slip, Knowles blitzed (no consequence)
10. Franks scramble, Rousseau tremendous move on G, Hall sat too long in stance (no consequence) during exchange of responsibilities
11. 3rd and 6, weird 4WR bunch to sideline, alternating quick ins, Hall a half tick cautious but great athleticism and recovery, Carter off ball, both close for tackle short of first. Solid enough
12. Trips right, Carter possibly too deep in interest of caution, fills on 4th and 1 and too late for 3 yard gain
13. RB breaks front 7 tackle, Safeties no consequence
14. RB tackled in front 7, Safeties no consequence
15. RB in flat, Safeties no consequence
16. Fumble, Safeties no consequence
17. Late motion, Carter rolls, Knowles reads key, fills nicely despite eye candy
18. Fumble on wide toss, Safeties no consequence
19. Hall slightly delayed blitz in tandem with Shaq, Franks barely gets it off, shocked if don't see this later in game and this season
20. Carter takes on block well, stops run for 2
21. Hall deep Safety blitz (i mostly hate these) on 3rd and 3, Franks horrendous read short of sticks, incomplete
22. Deep Safeties at end of half, throw underneath, Safeties no consequence
23. Deep Safeties at end of half, throw underneath, Safeties no consequence
24. Deep Safeties at end of half, run play opposite trips, Safeties no consequence
25. Hall weird blitz (?), no safety consequence on crossing route
26. Carter up, no Safety consequence
27. 2 Safeties deep, Carter rolls to boundary, run play no Safety consequence
28. 15 yard deep Carter on boundary hash (yikes for inside WR coverage), Carter not out of break quickly enough from Hash, corner blitz from Blades, pass completed in front of Carter - reminder to look at Redwine tape on similar plays in 18
29. Hall steps aggressively toward run action, Carter playing deeper, both combine for tackle in alley after RB breaks through for 11 yards, maybe 2 yards more than he should have gotten
30. Hall steps up aggressively and got turned around by Play Action (look for later, but no consequence here). Al Blades great technique. PI, **** these people, What a bad ******* call. Damnit.
31. Carter deep middle, run blitz w/ Hall, very good fill on Jon Ford combination TFL
32. Finley good TFL, Carter/Hall no consequence on deeper coverage
33. Carter rolling with motion, 5 WR, Knowles deep, pass short in front of Bandy, 4th down
34. 4WR bull**** bunch, Carter holding boundary hash, no consequence
35. Hall dropping, Carter rolling and keying motion, run for no gain. This motion is a setup (look out)
36. 3rd and 5, great break on inside WR by Frierson for PBU, Safeties deep no consequence
37. 5WR, 4th and 5, good key and pattern recognition by Hall again, Gators attack Shaq who's reading QB eyes and loses WR instead of matching up, holy **** false start
38. 2 Safeties deep, unnecessary CB blitz from boundary again, no chance for Hall playing field side hash to get over on Gator TE running seam 6 yards outside of boundary Hash, where Carter had to pick up sideline route. Good call by Gator against a poorly timed or predictable CB blitz from boundary.
39. Hall assertive to hurry Franks into throwing away
40. Safeties roll with motion to boundary, no consequence, Shaq great breakdown in space against RB
41. Safeties 7 yards deep, weird QB run call or confusion, Franks tackled at line, big 3rd down stop
42. Trips left, pass to bandy's WR, safeties no consequence
43. Trips left, Knowles inside field hash slightly flat footed
44. Trips left, Safeties hugging hashes, incomplete pass, no consequence
45. Substitution some confusion, weren't set, Hall mediocre angle to sidelines on WR screen, stopped in front of marker though, 3rd down stop
46. Franks flushed on PA, incomplete, no safety consequence, Carter may have stepped forward more aggressively than he'd want
47. Safeties on hashes, Hall fills in control for about a 3 yard gain, solid enough
48. Carter at line, Pinck oversteps outside of TE, Perrine leverage, ****, TD gators
49. Carter deep on boundary, Hall medium peeking run, fills, no consequence
50. Hall deep on left boundary, trips right, Hall on field hash at 7ish, Hall gets lost on communication or exchange with LB, two gators run free down field hash, Franks throws a pure **** pass because of some pressure in face, Carter INT cleanup off tipped ball
51. Ball in middle of field, hall playing run steps up, Carter playing opposite hash, gives deep help to both vertical routes, Frierson beaten out of slot, big split between vertical routes, wtf, Carter splitting 30 yards of parallel vertical routes, waits till ball is thrown to break to Frierson's WR, too late, coverage breakdown?, good throw, ****
52. 1st down after bomb, good tackle by Blades
53. Hall field hash, protective step inside, TE motion, pass to flat/bubble, 3 on 3 on edge, Hall gets mixed up with Pinck's blocker, not good pursuit angle, TE gets upfield, ****
54. Franks run, slightly late fill by Carter, Bandy too deep in middle of field, damnit, TD Gators
55. 4WR bull**** again, decent read/cutoff by Carter, both Safeties over, holy **** what a bad throw by Franks, INT

Ups and downs. New guys out there. My expectations weren't sky high for Game 1, but still are for a guy like Hall who was tentative at times. All stuff that can and should be cleaned up.

You wrote this like there was a paycheck involved.

I mean this as a sincere compliment.

To get this granular with safety play details, you must’ve spent a lot of time. Very much appreciated.

 

[DTP]

In true CIS fashion, I want to change a bunch of players' positions after the first game.

OK not really but hear me out.

Why not groom Carter to take over at Striker where's he'd be playing up near the line a lot and have Bolden take over at SS full time?

 

[LuCane]

I’ve always felt blaming poor angles on the position coach is misguided. A large part of the angle comes from the speed of the opposing player, power of the qb’s arm, etc. Can only teach so much. Falls on instincts and preparation habits of the player IMO.

Big part of it total reps taken. I can tell you for sure I'd love to take back some angles I took on guys I thought were slower or faster than they were. And, at high-level football like Hall is playing, getting his anticipation right is lightning fast processing decision.
Playing Safety is really hard. Playing Safety on a defense with a wild *** front 7 is nuts. Given all the factors, I'm cutting these guys some slack.
But, mark my words and quote me later, Gurvan Hall is gonna either Pick-6 or take someone's head off on a slant this year. His recognition on a couple plays stood out.

 

[LuCane]

@LuCane if hall is the better single high safety and carter is better in the box, why do you think that they have it opposite?? I mean is it just waiting for bolden ??

They play field and boundary Safeties. So, you have to look at ball placement on the field. That's how Amari got caught over the top on that long pass play, which I still think requires more explanation we won't get without sitting in the film room with the players and coaches. I've mentioned there had to be something off on alignment because it's odd Carter's on and even outside the left hash. I'd ask the specific playcall. I'd ask Amari why he hugged and even went outside the left hash. I'd ask why he held his drop so long even when Frierson got beaten inside so early. I'd ask Hall about his run read and responsibility. I'd ask Frierson why he was flatfooted at the snap. What was he looking at? I'd call Gainesville and ask Franks how he pulled that throw out of his ***.

 

[moshated305]

Just adding the Baker quote on the long pass late in the game.


Yeah, and it wasn’t just Gilbert,” Baker said. “You know Gilbert is obviously the guy that everyone on TV sees chasing the guy down, but we’ve got to have a middle-field safety playing in the middle of the field. So it was two-part, and like I said, I know Gilbert’s the one that gets pointed out, but there’s a safety (Carter) that needs to be over the top and middle-field coverage closing the middle of the field and that ball should never be thrown. But we didn’t do that and we paid the price for it.

 

[Go Canes!!]

It’s going to get better.

 

[252cane]

Gurvan Hall is a sophomore. When Redwine was a sophomore he was a corner that barely ever played. When Jaquan was a sophomore he backed up Jamal Carter and Reyshawn Jenkings who were both seniors. This is the first time we have a safety this young starting there in a season opener and the fact that it was Florida makes it even tougher. Yes he played tentative but imo its understandable. Its a tough position to play in this defense with how aggressive we are up front. He's young and he will be fine. And how many quality safeties does Banda have to produce for yall to stop hating on him?

Jaquan was playing nickel his sophmore year