Richt's RPO Philosphy A Good Fit For Top WR Recruits

[Moro]

What the **** are you talking about? Richt didnt even really use the rpo at uga.

Calm down bro, if you have the answer then use this as an opportunity to educate us all. No need to blow your top on this discussion. We will have plenty of time for that but right now I am really interested to know more about the use of RPO and it's impact on recruiting as well as it's affect on multiple receiver threats on one team.

There aint no impact on recruiting or wrs. You are implying that because richt uses the rpo thats why top wrs havent commited here yet. Then bring up uga when he didnt even use it there.

If that's the case then put your thoughts together and give us some sustenance rather than your spacey *** answer "There aint no impact on recruiting or wrs".

 

[simplycanes]

RPO works when your QB doesn't have to use a Walker to get around in the backfield.

Kaayak does...

RPO and Spread Option are different things. In no part of Richt's RPO was Kaaya reading the DE to keep or pitch. He is reading the defense and either handing it off or passing. He wasn't being asked to be an additional part of the running option.

 

[ghost2]

re: Kaaya running - see my post above on where things get rough for him. It's not that he needs to take off downfield every play, it's that when the timing is off or the first read is gone, he needs to EXTEND the play with his legs somehow to find an open man, and so far he hasn't been able to do that.

 

[252cane]

What the **** are you talking about? Richt didnt even really use the rpo at uga.

Calm down bro, if you have the answer then use this as an opportunity to educate us all. No need to blow your top on this discussion. We will have plenty of time for that but right now I am really interested to know more about the use of RPO and it's impact on recruiting as well as it's affect on multiple receiver threats on one team.

There aint no impact on recruiting or wrs. You are implying that because richt uses the rpo thats why top wrs havent commited here yet. Then bring up uga when he didnt even use it there.

If that's the case then put your thoughts together and give us some sustenance rather than your spacey *** answer "There aint no impact on recruiting or wrs".

Ill give any kind of answer i want. You should have done your research on his offenses at uga before you posted.

 

[ghost2]

Easy fellas. Trying to re-rail this thread if possible.

 

[simplycanes]

I believe Richt used the RPO as a Band-Aid rather than a philosophy.

I go back to his initial comments when he was first hired. He said he was going to use whatever offense fit the personal he had and then build from there as time passes.

If you look at how often his passers @ UGA were under center vs. Kaaya, it confirms that, especially if you look at the last 4 games.

He tried to put him under center and as we all saw, it failed miserably.

Nah I think he fell in love with the idea of RPOs. It wasn't a bandaid, it was a concept that he thought was amazing - bearing in mind he's not called an offence for a decade.

It obviously can work, but we don't have the personnel for it. I'm glad he's ditched it (mostly - he still sneaks a few in there).

I disagree slightly, I think he instituted it as a way of keeping some balance to the running game given he knew he'd be keeping Kaaya in the shotgun a lot more than he wanted. One of his first moves was to sign a big thumping Juco FB which is an atypical move for a guy who'd be falling in love with the RPO.

It doesn't matter know though because he pulled back from it a lot. The problem I saw was less about personnel and more about execution, particularly when the first pass read broke down or the time was disrupted.

No doubt there were instances where the blocking just flat out broke down, but there were plenty others when he hurt himself by either not sliding up into the pocket or sideways with it. He would drop back and wide of his blockers, which is a huge no-no, particularly where he could have run for a few yards and slid, even for a minimal gain. He does have the mobility for that.

But, instead he would drop back and back peddle his way into a sack, horrible throw that falls incomplete or leave the OL susceptible to a holding call as the DL turned away from the pocket in pursuit. The UNC and VT games are the most glaring examples. In so many situations that could have resulted in 2nd and 7 we would up 2nd and 15+. You aren't going to score a lot with that start to a drive.

 

[ghost2]

I believe Richt used the RPO as a Band-Aid rather than a philosophy.

I go back to his initial comments when he was first hired. He said he was going to use whatever offense fit the personal he had and then build from there as time passes.

If you look at how often his passers @ UGA were under center vs. Kaaya, it confirms that, especially if you look at the last 4 games.

He tried to put him under center and as we all saw, it failed miserably.

Nah I think he fell in love with the idea of RPOs. It wasn't a bandaid, it was a concept that he thought was amazing - bearing in mind he's not called an offence for a decade.

It obviously can work, but we don't have the personnel for it. I'm glad he's ditched it (mostly - he still sneaks a few in there).

I disagree slightly, I think he instituted it as a way of keeping some balance to the running game given he knew he'd be keeping Kaaya in the shotgun a lot more than he wanted. One of his first moves was to sign a big thumping Juco FB which is an atypical move for a guy who'd be falling in love with the RPO.

It doesn't matter know though because he pulled back from it a lot. The problem I saw was less about personnel and more about execution, particularly when the first pass read broke down or the time was disrupted.

No doubt there were instances where the blocking just flat out broke down, but there were plenty others when he hurt himself by either not sliding up into the pocket or sideways with it. He would drop back and wide of his blockers, which is a huge no-no, particularly where he could have run for a few yards and slid, even for a minimal gain. He does have the mobility for that.

But, instead he would drop back and back peddle his way into a sack, horrible throw that falls incomplete or leave the OL susceptible to a holding call as the DL turned away from the pocket in pursuit. The UNC and VT games are the most glaring examples. In so many situations that could have resulted in 2nd and 7 we would up 2nd and 15+. You aren't going to score a lot with that start to a drive.

Absolutely.

 

[Moro]

My problem with RPO is that it is more of a passive philosophy. The mentality is for the offense to line up and let the defense dictate what plays can be run no matter the situation; 1st and 10; short or long yardage game. If the defense gives the offense something they automatically know where the ball is likely to go therefore they have the advantage and can constantly play a step faster than the offense. As listed above, a lot of the plays that failed offensively to me resulted because the defense was two or three steps faster than the offense primarily because they were allowed to dictate the plays and therefore the speed of the game.

ie, If the defender gives you a hitch… take the hitch. If the defenders give you a slant, take the slant.

 

[ghost2]

My problem with RPO is that it is more of a passive philosophy. The mentality is for the offense to line up and let the defense dictate what plays can be run no matter the situation; 1st and 10; short or long yardage game. If the defense gives the offense something they automatically know where the ball is likely to go therefore they have the advantage and can constantly play a step faster than the offense. As listed above, a lot of the plays that failed offensively to me resulted because the defense was two or three steps faster than the offense primarily because they were allowed to dictate the plays and therefore the speed of the game.

Sort of. I get what you're saying but it can be "active" as well, in the sense that the QB's job is simply to but the ball wherever the defense isn't. That's not necessarily passive, just smart. =P

 

[Moro]

My problem with RPO is that it is more of a passive philosophy. The mentality is for the offense to line up and let the defense dictate what plays can be run no matter the situation; 1st and 10; short or long yardage game. If the defense gives the offense something they automatically know where the ball is likely to go therefore they have the advantage and can constantly play a step faster than the offense. As listed above, a lot of the plays that failed offensively to me resulted because the defense was two or three steps faster than the offense primarily because they were allowed to dictate the plays and therefore the speed of the game.

Sort of. I get what you're saying but it can be "active" as well, in the sense that the QB's job is simply to but the ball wherever the defense isn't. That's not necessarily passive, just smart. =P

This is why I agree partly with your excellent breakdown of RPO because as Richt initially used this philosophy as the base of his offense which timing is the kryptonite for its success. As long as the defense can dictate the plays being run and the speed of the game those plays will be doomed from the start.

 

[mydas77]

My problem with RPO is that it is more of a passive philosophy. The mentality is for the offense to line up and let the defense dictate what plays can be run no matter the situation; 1st and 10; short or long yardage game. If the defense gives the offense something they automatically know where the ball is likely to go therefore they have the advantage and can constantly play a step faster than the offense. As listed above, a lot of the plays that failed offensively to me resulted because the defense was two or three steps faster than the offense primarily because they were allowed to dictate the plays and therefore the speed of the game.

Sort of. I get what you're saying but it can be "active" as well, in the sense that the QB's job is simply to but the ball wherever the defense isn't. That's not necessarily passive, just smart. =P

I think, havent seen film to support this, that teams began to change their alignment on first and second downs to force us to run. They took away the pass option in our RPO by alignment, knowing they could stuff our run plays even though they were at a numbers disadvantage in the box. Our oline was playing that poorly.

Once richt finally realized that he had to call a pass play vs an RPO to take advantage of the soft corners people were giving us, the offense took off. We started taking the Njoku mismatch against the buzzed out LB even though we had an apparent numbers advantage in the box.

To answer the OP, we have TWO wrs on the team that thrived in our system at the same time. Why would that create a disadvantage in recruiting?

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[Moro]

My problem with RPO is that it is more of a passive philosophy. The mentality is for the offense to line up and let the defense dictate what plays can be run no matter the situation; 1st and 10; short or long yardage game. If the defense gives the offense something they automatically know where the ball is likely to go therefore they have the advantage and can constantly play a step faster than the offense. As listed above, a lot of the plays that failed offensively to me resulted because the defense was two or three steps faster than the offense primarily because they were allowed to dictate the plays and therefore the speed of the game.

Sort of. I get what you're saying but it can be "active" as well, in the sense that the QB's job is simply to but the ball wherever the defense isn't. That's not necessarily passive, just smart. =P

I think, havent seen film to support this, that teams began to change their alignment on first and second downs to force us to run. They took away the pass option in our RPO by alignment, knowing they could stuff our run plays even though they were at a numbers disadvantage in the box. Our oline was playing that poorly.

Once richt finally realized that he had to call a pass play vs an RPO to take advantage of the soft corners people were giving us, the offense took off. We started taking the Njoku mismatch against the buzzed out LB even though we had an apparent numbers advantage in the box.

To answer the OP, we have TWO wrs on the team that thrived in our system at the same time. Why would that create a disadvantage in recruiting?

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I think you just gave the best answers to your question. Richt moved away from RPO. This more aggressive approach which is more traditional in dictating the game by calling a set play or scheme play to matchups and forcing the defense to adjust. By doing this we created more threats WR, TE and RB's. This made the offense multiple and less one dimensional which proved to have more long-term success. I think this is the way to stock pile impact recruits rather than the limited RPO approach.

 

[OldhamA]

I believe Richt used the RPO as a Band-Aid rather than a philosophy.

I go back to his initial comments when he was first hired. He said he was going to use whatever offense fit the personal he had and then build from there as time passes.

If you look at how often his passers @ UGA were under center vs. Kaaya, it confirms that, especially if you look at the last 4 games.

He tried to put him under center and as we all saw, it failed miserably.

Nah I think he fell in love with the idea of RPOs. It wasn't a bandaid, it was a concept that he thought was amazing - bearing in mind he's not called an offence for a decade.

It obviously can work, but we don't have the personnel for it. I'm glad he's ditched it (mostly - he still sneaks a few in there).

I disagree slightly, I think he instituted it as a way of keeping some balance to the running game given he knew he'd be keeping Kaaya in the shotgun a lot more than he wanted. One of his first moves was to sign a big thumping Juco FB which is an atypical move for a guy who'd be falling in love with the RPO.

It doesn't matter know though because he pulled back from it a lot. The problem I saw was less about personnel and more about execution, particularly when the first pass read broke down or the time was disrupted.

No doubt there were instances where the blocking just flat out broke down, but there were plenty others when he hurt himself by either not sliding up into the pocket or sideways with it. He would drop back and wide of his blockers, which is a huge no-no, particularly where he could have run for a few yards and slid, even for a minimal gain. He does have the mobility for that.

But, instead he would drop back and back peddle his way into a sack, horrible throw that falls incomplete or leave the OL susceptible to a holding call as the DL turned away from the pocket in pursuit. The UNC and VT games are the most glaring examples. In so many situations that could have resulted in 2nd and 7 we would up 2nd and 15+. You aren't going to score a lot with that start to a drive.

By "personnel" I meant Kaaya - I just didn't want to throw him under the bus. He can't run that offence, he doesn't have the skill set.

 

[AutoCANE]

The RPO is a philosophy and a group of plays but not really a system - but contrary to what is being said here, it's all based on post-snap defensive activity - what the conflicted box defender does. When Kaaya sticks the ball in Walton's gut, he's checking to see what the outside backer and/or box safety does.

 

[ghost2]

The RPO is a philosophy and a group of plays but not really a system - but contrary to what is being said here, it's all based on post-snap defensive activity - what the conflicted box defender does. When Kaaya sticks the ball in Walton's gut, he's checking to see where the outside backer and/or box safety does.

Thank you for that clarification, [MENTION=928]AutoCANE[/MENTION]. Yes you're right, it's based on what the defender does after the snap. My bad.

 

[Moro]

The RPO is a philosophy and a group of plays but not really a system - but contrary to what is being said here, it's all based on post-snap defensive activity - what the conflicted box defender does. When Kaaya sticks the ball in Walton's gut, he's checking to see where the outside backer and/or box safety does.

Thank you for that clarification, [MENTION=928]AutoCANE[/MENTION]. Yes you're right, it's based on what the defender does after the snap. My bad.

Wait a minute. You guys need to further clarify RPO Philosophy on the Post-Snap read. Because there has to be a Pre-Snap read to the play being called in the huddle or at the line; 2) If there is a check, there has to be a read prior to the snap for the play being called; 3) Anything run after the snap is an option run or pass at that point to a play that has already been called pre-snap.

 

[ghost2]

It's both. Let's imagine this:

1) A RPO play is called - the run option is an inside zone run and let's say the pass option is a WR slant
2) The QB looks at the defense and sees the CB playing 10 yards off and the LB crowding the line (a pre-snap read)
3) The ball is snapped
4) At the snap of the ball, the QB notices the LB drop into the flat to take away the slant (post-snap read)
5) QB hands off to the RB and the RB runs to where the LB just was for an easy 6 yards

Same playcall:

1) CB is still playing off coverage, LB is still crowding the line (pre-snap read)
2) At the snap, the QB sees the LB crash down to take away the run (post-snap read)
3) QB pulls the ball out of the RB's gut and throws the WR slant right at where the LB just was for another easy 6 yards

Rinse. Repeat.

 

[Moro]

It's both. Let's imagine this:

1) A RPO play is called - the run option is an inside zone run and let's say the pass option is a WR slant
2) The QB looks at the defense and sees the CB playing 10 yards off and the LB crowding the line (a pre-snap read)
3) The ball is snapped
4) At the snap of the ball, the QB notices the LB drop into the flat to take away the slant (post-snap read)
5) QB hands off to the RB and the RB runs to where the LB just was for an easy 6 yards

Same playcall:

1) CB is still playing off coverage, LB is still crowding the line (pre-snap read)
2) At the snap, the QB sees the LB crash down to take away the run (post-snap read)
3) QB pulls the ball out of the RB's gut and throws the WR slant right at where the LB just was for another easy 6 yards

Rinse. Repeat.

Ok, so we are all still on the same page. I thought yawl had developed a new offense that plays can be called Post-Snap. That would definitely keep a defense off balance. LOL!

 

[AutoCANE]

It's both. Let's imagine this:

1) A RPO play is called - the run option is an inside zone run and let's say the pass option is a WR slant
2) The QB looks at the defense and sees the CB playing 10 yards off and the LB crowding the line (a pre-snap read)
3) The ball is snapped
4) At the snap of the ball, the QB notices the LB drop into the flat to take away the slant (post-snap read)
5) QB hands off to the RB and the RB runs to where the LB just was for an easy 6 yards

Same playcall:

1) CB is still playing off coverage, LB is still crowding the line (pre-snap read)
2) At the snap, the QB sees the LB crash down to take away the run (post-snap read)
3) QB pulls the ball out of the RB's gut and throws the WR slant right at where the LB just was for another easy 6 yards

Rinse. Repeat.

This...exactly.

 

[Bunker Mentality]

What the **** are you talking about? Richt didnt even really use the rpo at uga.

:q3XKXeX:

I didn't even know RPO was a "system".