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Good points. Especially the Van Ness/ Carver comp. A lot of folks seem to think he ends up as a DE here.

But PLEASE PEOPLE, let's not turn this into a "stars don't matter" thread. There are over 2,000 3 star players evaluated every year and only ~5% of them get drafted.
 
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grover said:
Evals are so much more important than most people appreciate. It’s not just the three stars. It’s the freshmen, sophomores and juniors who haven’t been spotted by the camp circuit or internet scouts yet.

Many of those guys are unranked or underranked and don’t get their fourth or fifth star until late in the recruiting process. By then the cement has hardened if a good recruiter can get in early. Few elite recruits are like Sony Michel. Many more are like Ereck Flowers.
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Golden would be good in a non coaching evaluation role here. Will never happen but guy was great at evals
 
KANE said:
True, but this is most fans at most schools. Fans are crazy, lol.

Facts. But the key here is getting so many blue chip kids, that the ones that do eventually flop won't stick out as much.

No lies found here. Great response to a well written post. Great job fellas!
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Thanks @KANE . Notice that the entire first round went to P5 schools, but there is a definite disparity between blue-chippers (who went to the really good P5 schools, except for Skoronski) and the non-blue-chippers. The only weird blue-chip is Addison, who started at Pitt (like Kancey) but transferred to USC. Just pointing out that it's easier to roll the dice with 3-stars at certain P5 schools.

And I agree with you, we definitely want to recruit blue-chip guys, it's hard for Miami NOW (compared to the 1980s) to take a chance with a high-character developmental guy like Russell Maryland. I'm just pointing out that Miami HAS had pretty decent recruiting rankings in the past 20 years (outside of new-coach transition years), but we still need to DEVELOP blue-chip recruits.
 
DTP said:
Good points. Especially the Van Ness/ Carver comp. A lot of folks seem to think he ends up as a DE here.

But PLEASE PEOPLE, let's not turn this into a "stars don't matter" thread. There are over 2,000 3 star players evaluated every year and only ~5% of them get drafted.
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Stars matter. And there are a LOT of 3-stars to evaluate, some will definitely be better than others.

But the key is scouting AND development. @DMoney has identified certain traits (multi-sport players with speed/production who have room to grow) that make certain 3-stars more developable than others.

And these guys need to get a chance to shine. If 3-star projects go to a school where they sit on the bench most of the time, it's highly unlikely they will break out in a way that earns a first-round pick.

The Portal is going to make this VERY interesting going forward. Not going to have too many Jimmie-Jones-types at Miami in the future. Kids won't have the patience.
 
M3N said:
I can’t say much about Texas Tech and Boston colleges staff, but what I can tell you is that the coaches from Pitt, Iowa. Iowa state, Utah, and Kansas state are some of the best evaluators of talent in College Football.

You see it every year from those programs. Real coaching is going on at those school.

I’m not a huge Narduzzi fan, but could you imagine what type of team we would have if we had one of those coaches. They would have a field day down here and probably would give a **** about the James Williams types
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Narduzzi is the most underrated coach in the US.
 
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There was a stat a few years ago that Miami had either the highest or second highest % of their 4* and above recruits get drafted. It was Miami and Wisconsin in some order.

The problem has been that “4 Star” just covers a huge field. From guys that just missed being 5*, to guys that just missed being 3*.

The 247 recruit quality number is probably the better gauge of the talent in the class.

Miami has not necessarily done a poor job of development. I doubt Alabama develops their guys at a higher rate.

Miami has done a poor job over the last 15 or so years of landing 4* guys that are closer to being 5* than they are 3*, so have 1st round type talent. It’s why are recruiting class average always seemed to be .88 during this time period.

Whereas Bama has landed a ton of 5* and 4* guys closer to being 5* than they are 3*, so a decent % of them are going to hit even with average “development.” And when they do hit, it’s first round talent.
 
I think that the reason for picking multi sport athletes isn’t so much as an indication for physical attributes as it is for intangibles.

Basketball, lacrosse, track etc aren’t easy practices.
Shot put, discus, and javelin are attention to detail events.
They require boring repetition and focusing on the most minute detail to get the most out of each throw.

A player that has to do suicides in basketball then also do up downs and 110’s has that mentality and intensity that you may not find in a football only player.

Now you also have to take into consideration study time, grades, time management, learning playbooks, etc..

Having players that can take care of all those things takes a lot of guess work out of the equation. You don’t have to worry if they can handle the work load in practice. Don’t have to worry if they can manage their time to fit in studying.

If you have a player that excels in multiple sports and now all they have to do is work on one; then at the very least you know he’s gonna give it a buck to get better.
 
da truth said:
Golden would be good in a non coaching evaluation role here. Will never happen but guy was great at evals
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Golden was good at volume offers. He got a bunch of evals right, but he had a bunch wrong, too. Had really bad WR and DB evals IIRC. I think Stoutland was the guy who ID'd Flowers. That's the guy we should bring back for an off-field staff position.

Actually, just went back to Wikipedia and see Kehoe was OL coach, and Jedd Fisch OC. So maybe they were the ones that caught Flowers early, not sure? Stoutland was a OL god though.
 
svenben said:
Narduzzi is the most underrated coach in the US.
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Top notch defensive coach. Bottom of the barrel offensive coach. He's been a 7-6, 8-5 coach at Pitt besides the one season when they lit Whipple/Kenny Pickett air it out and went 11-2 (still lost to Manny's 2021 team). He's more handcuffed to bro style offenses than Mario has ever been and his offenses almost always suck. I'd take him as a DC any day of the week but his philosophy on offenses is why he's only 62-42 as a coach.
 
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An 11.29 100m translates to about a 4.5 40. Curious why that would be question mark for speed?
 
hialeahjohnny said:
‘Who in @DMoney ’s eyes falls into the under-heralded category with a chance to blossom, with his highlighted player-profile points serving as a barometer; even if that player was a top-1000 player by services, but just underrated compared to peers.’
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Carver is the one from the 2023 Class who stands out, going just by the criteria.

I've already seen him move around at TE and he looks good, but I'd love to see him on defense.
 
Mario seems to be going after more football minded guys with size. He seems to have a better approach than most of the previous staffs.
 
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