Recruiting Budget questions

@TheOriginalCane @nycane @DMoney @canesdude @SWFLHurricane @Brooklyndee @Cribby @Peter Ariz et al,

How much do you estimate recruiting budgets have gone up from pre-NIL (bags only) to NIL era? I know there's no way to track that. But based on your experience and ties to the program, what do you think the inflation has been?

Based on public leaks related to NIL deals, I'm guessing top teams are now in the 10M range annually at this point, given the need not only to fund 25 new kids a class, but keep funding the 85 total kids on roster -- i.e., $100K+ per roster spot per year on average, with QBs, WRs, DL and OTs getting outsized shares of that amount. Is that about right?

Do you think it's sustainable?
Recruiting budgets will continue to rise but you are conflating NIL budget with recruiting budget.

Recruiting budget is the expense report for recruiting players (i.e flights for coaches and recruits on official visits, hotel stays, food expenses, etc). McDonald's bags and NIL deals with local car dealerships or even national brands are not included in the recruiting budget.
 
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I know the term bag is loose, but I can’t imagine it off-sets any sort of NIL agreement. Maybe it pushes the total sum lumped in with the NIL offer over the edge, but teams aren’t handing out 750k “bags” to offset an NIL deal.

We’re probably talking at most, a couple hundred k in under-the-table Money…which is still substantial, but just want to keep it in context.

There’s the extreme extreme examples of the Tua relocation situation, but doesn’t happen yearly. A bag could also be interpreted as NIL but some payment is made pre-enrollment.
Even small bags under the table are not included in the recruiting budget. The Universities are not giving coaches bags of cash to hand to recruits. Now, if a local restaurant owner that is a fan of the program and the recruit happens to be at their restaurant and some money happens to fall in their lap under the table, that is paid by the restaurant owner, not the university.
 
@TheOriginalCane @nycane @DMoney @canesdude @SWFLHurricane @Brooklyndee @Cribby @Peter Ariz et al,

How much do you estimate recruiting budgets have gone up from pre-NIL (bags only) to NIL era? I know there's no way to track that. But based on your experience and ties to the program, what do you think the inflation has been?

Based on public leaks related to NIL deals, I'm guessing top teams are now in the 10M range annually at this point, given the need not only to fund 25 new kids a class, but keep funding the 85 total kids on roster -- i.e., $100K+ per roster spot per year on average, with QBs, WRs, DL and OTs getting outsized shares of that amount. Is that about right?

Do you think it's sustainable?


Uhhh...there's a lot to unpack there. Including the fact that NIL is not really a part of "recruiting budgets" (I know, I know, I'm always the overly-technical guy in the argument who ***** things up)...

Let's just talk about "pre-NIL" for a minute. First, there was always "splash" money that got tossed around during recruitment. The money was usually mid 5-figure to low 6-figure for a recruit, and the concept was always "there will be more". Cars were purchased (or leased). Apartments were leased. So all the up-front shenanigans, if you added up all the players getting "bags", I can't see it exceeding a million or two for any given year at some schools that paid for multiple players, though not the whole recruiting class.

Now, whether guys were ALSO getting money post-enrollment, it's hard to tell. If you ask around, a lot of players had broken promises, and no method for how to collect what was "promised" to them. Without a doubt, some kids continued to get handouts throughout college, but probably not as many who were "promised" during their recruitment that money would be paid. Again, I'd be willing to bet that this might have been a mill or two, but possibly even lower that the initial outlay, since there was no enforcement and transferring was painful.

The "hope" and "promise" of NIL was that a lot of this stuff could become legal and formalized and transparent. So the shift now (and you can see it in the terminology by whiners like Gaytor fans) is that paying a guy BEFORE HE ENROLLS is more analogous to the "old bag game", while the NIL money paid post-enrollment should be perfrectly legal (though not always declared on a 1099).

From speaking with a certain poster on this board (who has done a few NIL deals with athletes), the "local businessman" NIL deals do not have to be huge money. If this poster wants to weigh in, he can, but I won't disclose without his permission. He has signed at least one football player and at least one baseball player to NIL deals. Now, this was not "pre-enrollment" or even really part of a recruiting pitch or promise. That's more "Ruiz money" or "collective money" type territory.

And for comparative purposes...if the "claims" are to be believed, and university alums/boosters/collectives are now budgeting low 8-figure sums...well then, the "budget" is definitely bigger than it once was, perhaps by as much as 8 to 10 times at the more active schools. Hard to know for certain, though, as it was illegal and decentralized. I'm just estimating based on what individual athletes have told me, not from what a particularly rich booster told me.
 
Well, alrighty then, lol. Is that a legit number for anyone who knows? ... also would appreciate any insights on pre-NIL bag budgets vs NIL era budgets. And if this amount of spending is sustainable. Also, how many teams can afford the ante these days?


Ryan Day's estimate is not crazy. Keep in mind, that was "to keep the roster together", and it's hard to say how much of that would be for guys who signed with Taint "pre-NIL" (such as TVD with Miami).

I think that in a couple of years, most of these kids will have received their initial "promise" and there will be some stabilization in the marketplace.

Yes, there will always be some players who "out-perform" their initial NIL offer and who might be able to secure a second round of offered money, but it's hard to evaluate the frequency of that possibility until one or two more recruiting/portal cycles have passed.
 
Ryan Day's estimate is not crazy. Keep in mind, that was "to keep the roster together", and it's hard to say how much of that would be for guys who signed with Taint "pre-NIL" (such as TVD with Miami).

I think that in a couple of years, most of these kids will have received their initial "promise" and there will be some stabilization in the marketplace.

Yes, there will always be some players who "out-perform" their initial NIL offer and who might be able to secure a second round of offered money, but it's hard to evaluate the frequency of that possibility until one or two more recruiting/portal cycles have passed.

Thanks, TOC, super informative. ... Yes, I was lumping in recruiting, bags and NIL all in one "budget" bucket. That's the non-lawyer in me taking shortcuts. You guys and the accountants can itemize them out. I'm more concerned about the top-line number the programs total ecosystem needs to fund.

It's a massive amount, considering we were barely paying Randy $1M a year only 15 years ago, and his entire staff was probably another million or so. Now our staff is 15M and the all-in budget across coaches, players and recruits is, what, 25M annually? That's 10x in 15 years.

The fact Miami can pull it off this year and last year is shocking (AWESOME!). I wonder how many can? I take it this is where the BiG and SEC TV rights really separate the HAVEs from the HAVE NOTs.
 
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Even small bags under the table are not included in the recruiting budget. The Universities are not giving coaches bags of cash to hand to recruits. Now, if a local restaurant owner that is a fan of the program and the recruit happens to be at their restaurant and some money happens to fall in their lap under the table, that is paid by the restaurant owner, not the university.
The ncaa would still destroy us for that. Even In Liberal *** America they hate us
 
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